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Nintendo Switch Previews are coming in

I found myself with Zelda, Bomberman, Disgaea and Shovel Knight as launch games.

Pretty happy in the end.

I'm ok with them even in the launch games department.

Mine will be Zelda, Bomberman, Shovel Knight, World of Goo, and Snipperclips far as certain games. Already ordered Isaac: Afterbirth+ when it was a launch title, which it is no longer.

Fast RMX (already got Fast Racing Neo) and I am Setsuna are ones I am debating on. Might wait for a sale or something.
 

Majine

Banned
The most important thing about the OS that they seemed to have nailed is... it's fast!

They can omit web browsers for all I care, as long as it's not the Wii U snail again.
 

Impulsor

Member
Mine will be Zelda, Bomberman, Shovel Knight, World of Goo, and Snipperclips far as certain games. Already ordered Isaac: Afterbirth+ when it was a launch title, which it is no longer.

Fast RMX (already got Fast Racing Neo) and I am Setsuna are ones I am debating on. Might wait for a sale or something.

I will be getting Bindidng of Isaac too, will import the physical version from USA.

And after that, Mario kart, Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, Fire emblem Warriors.

Yeah, way better start than the wii u, no doubt about that.
 

phanphare

Banned
If that's the case, not buying shit digitally and not getting a switch till the end of its lifecycle, just like WiiU and 3DS.
The "Switch version" is the same fucking ROM.

When I buy Mario Run, I don't buy the Moto X version for my Google Play account.

not that I'm disagreeing with your larger point but I see this talking point brought up a lot and it's slightly misinformed

yes, VC games are likely using the same ROM across hardware. it's the emulator that's always different. they're not just dragging and dropping ROMs and calling it a day, they develop platform specific emulators to play those ROMs on. you can see this in the Wii U version of NES games compared with the NES Classic version of those games. I'd bet they're the same ROM but obviously the emulation on one is much better than the other.

so again not disagreeing just clearing up a bit of misinformation that I see frequently on here
 
I will be getting Bindidng of Isaac too, will import the physical version from USA.

And after that, Mario kart, Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario Odyssey, Fire emblem Warriors.

Yeah, way better start than the wii u, no doubt about that.

I think launch of the Wii U was pretty good for me with Nintendo Land, NSMBU, Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed, Darksiders 2, Mighty Switch Force HyperDrive Edition, Little Inferno and Scribblenauts Unlimited. It was waiting from November-December until March for stuff like Monster Hunter and LEGO City Undercover and another wait until about July-August for New Super Luigi U and Pikmin 3 that was horrible. The periods of no games during Wii U's first year were pretty brutal since the library didn't fill out for me until late 2013-early 2014 to where I felt like I had a pretty good amount on the console.
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
not that I'm disagreeing with your larger point but I see this talking point brought up a lot and it's slightly misinformed

yes, VC games are likely using the same ROM across hardware. it's the emulator that's always different. they're not just dragging and dropping ROMs and calling it a day, they develop platform specific emulators to play those ROMs on. you can see this in the Wii U version of NES games compared with the NES Classic version of those games. I'd bet they're the same ROM but obviously the emulation on one is much better than the other.

so again not disagreeing just clearing up a bit of misinformation that I see frequently on here

Yes, and the cost of the emulator should be factored into the hardware or services cost, not passed on to individual games.

If you don't think this hurts Nintendo, just ask around. There are people who don't buy digital because of it. Plus it adds to the barrier to hardware upgrades. Instead of platform loyalty like you see on Steam, you get the opposite - feeling like you are getting fucked over each new gen. I was burned once on the Wii, were I bought a ton of VC games thinking I was compiling a lifetime library of classics. Not again.
 
Forgive my ignorance but...
What's the difference between Shovel Knight Treasure Trove and Shovel Knight Spector? Are they two separate games?
 

phanphare

Banned
Yes, and the cost of the emulator should be factored into the hardware or services cost, not passed on to individual games.

If you don't think this hurts Nintendo, just ask around. There are people who don't buy digital because of it. Plus it adds to the barrier to hardware upgrades. Instead of platform loyalty like you see on Steam, you get the opposite - feeling like you are getting fucked over each new gen. I was burned once on the Wii, were I bought a ton of VC games thinking I was compiling a lifetime library of classics. Not again.

like I said I was just clearing up a bit of misinformation I see a lot, not making a grander retort of your point. I thought my post made that pretty clear haha.
 
Day 1 for me:
  • Zelda
  • 1 2 Switch
  • Shovel Knight
  • Fast RMX
  • Snipperclips
and Maybe:
  • Bomberman
  • World of Goo
  • Little Inferno

Just not sure what's up with the Tomorrow Corp games.
 

koss424

Member
If that's the case, not buying shit digitally and not getting a switch till the end of its lifecycle, just like WiiU and 3DS.
The "Switch version" is the same fucking ROM.

When I buy Mario Run, I don't buy the Moto X version for my Google Play account.

The Nintendo account should be the platform tying all Nintendo Hardware together. Just like app store, google play, Steam, amazon, netflix, itunes, etc.
If we get the same outdated digital content management practices again I will be very disappointed. Every time new hardware gets released you basically have to start from scratch. I have no incentive to invest in Nintendo digitally as a platform holder. Just buy cheap used physical games, sell them back when done. I have no problem buying digitally on Steam or Google Play. I know what I'm buying. Ironically, that applies to Nintendo mobile games, but not their mainline games.

I believe the rumour has it there will be an upgrade fee to download your WiiU VC content to Switch. I understand there is a cost to port VC titles to a new OS but we will have to see if that is a good value or not if true.
 

boiled goose

good with gravy
I believe the rumour has it there will be an upgrade fee to download your WiiU VC content to Switch. I understand there is a cost to port VC titles to a new OS but we will have to see if that is a good value or not if true.

I know of the rumor, and how the upgrade fee is structured is completely unjustified.

Nintendo can do whatever they want with their digital content management. My argument is that it's horrible business. It turns off consumers, increases upgrade barriers, and punishes your biggest fans.

How did the WiiU do again?

You think any new Switch consumers that buy digital are going to be happy with "upgrade" fees, non transferable content, and nintendo reselling the same exact games to you on Switch 2? It's 2017. People know how account systems work, upgrade hardware frequently, and they are used to digital content being tied to an online platform only, not specific hardware.
 

Nosgotham

Junior Member
I know of the rumor, and how the upgrade fee is structured is completely unjustified.

Nintendo can do whatever they want with their digital content management. My argument is that it's horrible business. It turns off consumers, increases upgrade barriers, and punishes your biggest fans.

How did the WiiU do again?

You think any new Switch consumers that buy digital are going to be happy with "upgrade" fees, non transferable content, and nintendo reselling the same exact games to you on Switch 2? It's 2017. People know how account systems work, upgrade hardware frequently, and they are used to digital content being tied to an online platform only, not specific hardware.

to play devils advocate a bit, nintendo was the only system this gen that actually allowed full BC and let me play all 100 plus games i had downloaded on my Wii for absolutely free on my WiiU. That's big to me. much better gesture than the other two. where are all my ps1 games on ps4 that i downloaded on ps3?

i get your point but its not black and white. all console manufacturers have faults in their digital distribution. that being said, 1.00 upgrade fee bothers me none.
 
Yes, and the cost of the emulator should be factored into the hardware or services cost, not passed on to individual games.

If you don't think this hurts Nintendo, just ask around. There are people who don't buy digital because of it. Plus it adds to the barrier to hardware upgrades. Instead of platform loyalty like you see on Steam, you get the opposite - feeling like you are getting fucked over each new gen. I was burned once on the Wii, were I bought a ton of VC games thinking I was compiling a lifetime library of classics. Not again.

Not to be a dick but uhh you could transfer every last one of your Wii VC games over to your Wii U. Not the most elegant of solutions but not bad at all and certainly one they could've easily not even bothered implementing. Upgrading to versions you could play natively in Wii U mode when they were available also cost a pittance.

Nobody "got burned" for their VC library between the Wii and Wii U.

The 3DS, though...that situation does kinda suck.
 

sloppyjoe_gamer

Gold Member
Question.....if someone was a gamer that never takes their system on the go to play and only has the time to game at home in front of a tv, would you recommend a Switch?

Or is the main appeal and marketing for this a mostly on the go system that you can play at home when you come back from where you are?
 
Question.....if someone was a gamer that never takes their system on the go to play and only has the time to game at home in front of a tv, would you recommend a Switch?

Or is the main appeal and marketing for this a mostly on the go system that you can play at home when you come back from where you are?

Well, I'm buying it as a home console (not a fan of portables). I don't see the portability as detracting from that at all.
 

AGoodODST

Member
Fantastic read, thanks! I encourage everyone to check it out as well.

That was a great read and is totally on point.

When I was in GAME today paying off my pre order the guy let me mess around with a Switch. It is so unbelievably fun and satisfying just attaching and reattaching the joy cons. I spent ages just fiddling with all the buttons and messing around.
 
not that I'm disagreeing with your larger point but I see this talking point brought up a lot and it's slightly misinformed

yes, VC games are likely using the same ROM across hardware. it's the emulator that's always different. they're not just dragging and dropping ROMs and calling it a day, they develop platform specific emulators to play those ROMs on. you can see this in the Wii U version of NES games compared with the NES Classic version of those games. I'd bet they're the same ROM but obviously the emulation on one is much better than the other.

so again not disagreeing just clearing up a bit of misinformation that I see frequently on here

Let's be honest, though, building a halfway-decent NES emulator has been a student-level project for years now. And Nintendo's built emulators, especially for platforms like NES, for GameCube, GBA, Wii, 3DS, Wii U, and even their own 30-games-in-1 device, the NES Classic. While they can't necessarily reuse the physical code, they don't lose all that research and work when they go to build the next one. They've done the legal legwork. They've done the technical homework. They've poured over the ROMs for anything they want to patch out for legal or technical reasons. If they don't have that all sorted and ready to go for the next time they want to release previously released VC titles, that's on Nintendo to get sorted.

Let's put it another way: how many times do we have to subsidize them learning how to emulate Ice Climber, before they know how to release Ice Climber? Here's a hint: there's been at least 7 emulated releases commercially sold before the Switch even opens up its eShop.

If it's a new platform (Virtual Boy on 3DS Nintendo, what happened?), or one they've struggled with in the past (like N64, and even then), okay. But NES, SNES, GB, that's ludicrous at this point. The work has been done, and if they expect us to believe they throw out that work every time, or that adding extra features already common in amateur emulators is comparable, that's not a valid justification. Other game devs work extremely hard to build new, fresh games with a lot of depth for comparable prices, and Nintendo is milking a bunch of old ROM files developed by employees 20-30 years ago. We don't need to give them too much credit, at least in that regard. Building a good, accurate emulator is hard, but they've already done that. There's no sense in acting like they start from scratch every time, because if they do, they need to seriously rethink their process. And I say that as a lover of old Nintendo games.
 

hao chi

Member
Question.....if someone was a gamer that never takes their system on the go to play and only has the time to game at home in front of a tv, would you recommend a Switch?

Or is the main appeal and marketing for this a mostly on the go system that you can play at home when you come back from where you are?

It's going to be getting the bulk of Nintendo's future games as the 3DS is phased out, and it has a good chance of having a lot of Vita and 3DS developers develop for it. So if those types of games appeal to you, go for it.
 

I Wanna Be The Guy

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Uh....guys? Is it true that out of the box it's not possible to have the dock plugged in and also charge the console itself at the same time while playing portable mode? One plug does both and only one is included? So if I want to play portable and have the system on charge at the same time I'd have to remove the plug from the dock each time? That kinda sucks if true. If I'd known this I would have ordered another charger.
 

weekev

Banned
Uh....guys? Is it true that out of the box it's not possible to have the dock plugged in and also charge the console itself at the same time while playing portable mode? One plug does both and only one is included? So if I want to play portable and have the system on charge at the same time I'd have to remove the plug from the dock each time? That kinda sucks if true. If I'd known this I would have ordered another charger.
It's USB c so any old charger will fit. I know I already have like 6 USB c cables kicking about my house.
 

The_Lump

Banned
Day 1 for me is:

  • Neon Switch
  • 128GB Micro SD
  • Official Accessory/Carry pouch
  • Zelda
  • 1 2 Switch
  • Bomberman R
  • Fast RMX

Lots of Indies i'm going to pick up, but just need to see what's there for launch/launch window.
 
I know it's mostly a multiplayer title, but are there any single player aspects to 1 2 Switch, similar to how Wii sports had some things you could dig into by yourself?
 
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