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[Razgriz-Specter]

You're comparing a Movie to a TV show, both have very different pacing.

Netflix shows are definitely closer to a Movie because they seem to be built for binge watching but they still need to last for more then 10 hours.

My problem mainly is just the essentials are being drawn out a bit much,

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actual Iron Fist stuff being drawn out is fine. But Danny and Joy really need more establishment scenes that really just set up the characters to lv1.
Joy not believing and then realizing it is him would work so much better if their childhood relationship had more development before those points.

 

[LotusHD]

Same. This show is fine. I dont know what they were goin on about. I seriously think they were just wanting more sex and fighting again. What they've done is a good show so far.

I wouldn't go that far imo

It's just... there for me. Not as bad as the reviews made it seem, at least not yet, but I'm quite bored nonetheless.

 

[DrROBschiz]

holy shit interesting

i wonder why the reviews are so overwhelmingly negative then

happy to hear thats its perfectly watchable!

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Its like Batman Vs Superman. Not nearly as bad as everyone said but not really good either.
Booth have their moments.

 

[LotusHD]

Episode 3:

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I continue to approve of Danny's music tastes lol

It really is a bad look for him to be lecturing Colleen in her dojo, but whatever

Also this show cares way too much about the business side of things, who wants to see Joy close a deal...

Its like Batman Vs Superman. Not nearly as bad as everyone said but not really good either.
Booth have their moments.

Now BvS, that actually was as bad as the reviews made it out to be, but I digress.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I disagree.


The Intro is really dumb

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Jesus Christ, they really​ need to edit these episodes down. The first couple are almost an hour and for no good reason. But yeah...I don't see a good show in here so far. The first 10ish minutes of the pilot were okay but then it slid into mediocrity. Slow pacing is okay if it's to highlight an interesting and unique story, or good acting. This has none of that, so far that I've seen. There is a complete lack of any type of subtly, so I can't take it seriously as a drama.

All of the issues that the other Netflix Marvel shows had show up here immediately. Scenes just go on and on and on and on. I watch a lot of drama television. I have no issue with slower shows. But the writing isn't even good in the scenes. The pertinent information is stated. Then it's stated again. Then someone else will state it. It's the definition of faux maturity because it's written so a child can follow along.

 

[Spikematic]

I disagree.


The Intro is really dumb

How is it dumb? I think it's awesome.

The second episode had serious pacing issues but was still interesting enough. They could've severely cut down on the whole hospital plot or merged it with episode 1. In any case the show is in no way as bad as I was dreading. Also I have 0 complaints about the acting. Finn is doing a good job so far. Time for episode 3!

 

[Lashley]

Well, this doesn't sound any better than the reviews

 

[LotusHD]

Jesus Christ, they really​ need to edit these episodes down. The first couple are almost an hour and for no good reason.

Lol this

I look at the times for the episodes I've watched so far and I audibly groan because it takes forever for something interesting to actually happen.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

holy shit interesting

i wonder why the reviews are so overwhelmingly negative then

happy to hear thats its perfectly watchable!

Marvel's overwhelming success naturally creates the desire to see that bubble burst.

I'm 4 episodes in, and some of the review criticism is valid, but it's still very watchable. So far, I think the show can be retooled a bit in the second season and improved.

If there is legit Luke/Danny chemistry in the Defenders, I can retroactively forgive this shows missteps.

 

[Indelible]

On the third episode, not a bad show but it is definitely a downgrade from Daredevil or even Jessica Jones in quality.

 

[Hagi]

Well, this doesn't sound any better than the reviews

Your mileage will vary.

The choreography is really lame in this which really drags it down for me. I could deal with the shitty story and acting of the people he knew when he was a kid if the fights were on point but Daredevil this is not.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Yikes, its really pandering to asian culture to much. Could all have beend done much more subtle.

 

[caliph95]

Marvel's overwhelming success naturally creates the desire to see that bubble burst.

\

From the critics that normally give the shows high ratings?

 

[The Kree]

Yikes, its really pandering to asian culture to much. Could all have beend done much more subtle.

It's not pandering to Asian culture at all. It's filtering it through a white guy, which is way worse.

 

[MartyStu]

Episode 5.

Okay I definitely know what the problem with this show is: Lack of vision/passion.

Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage all had purpose, some guiding principle driving them.

And that was usually apparent immediately.

This show...has none of that.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

It's not pandering to Asian culture at all. It's filtering it through a white guy, which is way worse.

Yeah, thats what I meant. Its awful. They should have him do Kung-Fu and meditating and thats it, not talking about Buddishm and stuff all the time

 

[Krowley]

Right now I feel like most of this show's problems would disappear if the episodes were 45 minutes instead of almost 60, but I'm pretty sure this is an issue in all the Marvel shows to an extent. Scenes definitely kind of linger a little too long most of the time.

The other issue is that the engine for the whole plot is being driven by Danny's struggle to prove his identity. That's not really a very strong central plot for a superhero show. It doesn't have a lot of fireworks built in.

This is still pretty good though. There is MUCH worse TV out there, and if it picks up in later episodes it might even justify this sluggish opening.

 

[LotusHD]

Episode 5.

Okay I definitely know what the problem with this show is: Lack of vision/passion.

Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage all had purpose, some guiding principle driving them.

And that was usually apparent immediately.

This show...has none of that.

Yup. They all had easily identifiable themes or hooks to them, whereas this show so far... I dunno.

Yeah, thats what I meant. Its awful. They should have him do Kung-Fu and meditating and thats it, not talking about Buddishm and stuff all the time

Every time he goes into that spiel, I usually cringe. Even moreso when he's one-upping Colleen in her own dojo.

 

[Sanctuary]

Well, this doesn't sound any better than the reviews

It's nowhere near 19% (was at one point 12%) awful. It's easily a high 40%.

edit: I'm also not understanding the praise Colleen is getting. So far there's nothing special about her at all, aside from her being an Asian female, who I guess is a badass. Yay? Her part in this so far seems like an entirely separate story and irrelevant, but I'm assuming eventually the stories will converge and her existence will make sense.

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Something, something, related to The Hand in some way...

Can you use meta critic instead of RT. Because what RT ratings should be means noting imo.
Still such high praise

No. And Metacritic is scoring it higher FYI.

 

[caliph95]

It's nowhere near 19% (was at one point 12%) awful. It's easily a high 40%.

Can you use meta critic instead of RT. Because what RT ratings should be means noting imo.
Still such high praise

 

[Dali]

Had great difficulty finishing that first episode. Danny is an unlikable bitch. "Lol. People think we're the same." Condescends to the bum. Condescends to Wing. Keeps saying I just wanna talk but never actually says anything. I'm screaming inside saying "tell a personal anecdote you fucking nub!" Finally does it to the evil brother and doesn't do shit but jack off in front of Joy. Overall smug attitude. And then the one scene that reminded me of this thread http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1350158&page=1

So is Danny mentally disabled in the comics because this dude is a fucking idiot?

 

[caliph95]

Had great difficulty finishing that first episode. Danny is an unlikable bitch. "Lol. People think we're the same." Condescends to the bum. Condescends to Wing. Keeps saying I just wanna talk but never actually says anything. I'm screaming inside saying "tell a personal anecdote you fucking nub!" Finally does it to the evil brother and doesn't do shit but jack off in front of Joy. Overall smug attitude. And then the one scene that reminded me of this thread http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1350158&page=1

So is Danny mentally disabled in the comics because this dude is a fucking idiot?

Danny is not a smart dude in the comics and Luke Cage even made a joke how doomed they were When Danyy said he had plan but he is at least endearing, entertaining and in some ways goofy in the comics

 

[jon bones]

20 some odd minutes in

first tai chi scene followed by mandarin being spoken

this really needed to be a shang chi show -_-

 

[caliph95]

First Episode so far.
Just one big meh

 

[zorlaczerohero]

Episode 4, still loving it. I watched DD, JJ and LC again over the last couple of weeks in preparation, I don't get the hate, I'm really enjoying it.

 

[Grazzt]

Finished the 3rd episode, it had some improvements, better than first two at least...
Good to see

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Hogarth

there.

 

[Dai101]

Hey

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Claire

, good to having you around.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Episode 5.

Okay I definitely know what the problem with this show is: Lack of vision/passion.

Jessica Jones, Daredevil, Luke Cage all had purpose, some guiding principle driving them.

And that was usually apparent immediately.

This show...has none of that.

Yup....

Daredevil - dark urban crime story, court room drama, throw in some vague ninja stuff

Jessica Jones - rough-around-the-edges female lead, mystery noire, stalker story

Luke Cage - modern blacksploitation, gangster drama, sci-fi elements in the latter half

Iron Fist is... white guy does martial arts? I mean that's already Daredevil.

Oh but he was trained in vague East Asian country... except that's Batman. And Doctor Strange.

Oh but he's actually the rich head of a company. Which... is Batman again. And Iron Man. And Green Arrow.

Iron Fist is suffering from the exact problem I was most afraid of since its announcement, and it hasn't done really anything to circumvent it.

 

[LotusHD]

The other 3 also had great, memorable villains.

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Luke Cage got rid of theirs too quickly though...

Hopefully this show will have something decent in this regard.

 

[Beefy]

Guy that plays Iron Fist is way too annoying, this show is just boring.

 

[Dali]

Yup....

Daredevil - dark urban crime story, court room drama, throw in some vague ninja stuff

Jessica Jones - rough-around-the-edges female lead, mystery noire, stalker story

Luke Cage - modern blacksploitation, gangster drama, sci-fi elements in the latter half

Iron Fist is... white guy does martial arts? I mean that's already Daredevil.

Oh but he was trained in vague East Asian country... except that's Batman. And Doctor Strange.

Oh but he's actually the rich head of a company. Which... is Batman again. And Iron Man. And Green Arrow.

Iron Fist is suffering from the exact problem I was most afraid of since its announcement, and it hasn't done really anything to circumvent it.

I'm guessing we find out Meacham was the reason the plane went down... which is arrow again, lol.

 

[caliph95]

I'm guessing we find out Meacham was the reason the plane went down... which is arrow again, lol.

And Iron Man

 

[GAMEPROFF]

The other 3 also had great, memorable villains.

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Luke Cage got rid of theirs too quickly though...

Hopefully this show will have something decent in this regard.

I actually like the villains here pretty much.
Cant wait to get the supernatural villains in the second half, that will definitly come like they always do.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

5 Episodes in and this is already more exciting then every previous season of Arrow.

There you go.

 

[Renpatsu]

"Rules are for pussies"

This dialogue..

 

[Beefy]

5 Episodes in and this is already more exciting then every previous season of Arrow.

There you go.

Doesn't say much...

 

[LotusHD]

5 Episodes in and this is already more exciting then every previous season of Arrow.

There you go.

Considering the carnage Oliver has wrecked throughout those 4 seasons, among other standout episodes, I doubt that. Bout to start Ep. 4 though.

 

[caliph95]

"Rules are for pussies"

This dialogue..

What the hell was with that scene that was so laughable, i get the point but that scene was funny not in a good way

 

[Deleted member 10571]

Doesn't say much...

Well no, but the Arrow comparison wasn't mine to make first

 

[MartyStu]

5 Episodes in and this is already more exciting then every previous season of Arrow.

There you go.

Season 3 and 4? Definitely.

Seasons 1, 2 and 5? Get out of here with that shit.

 

[Krowley]

5 Episodes in and this is already more exciting then every previous season of Arrow.

There you go.

I can't go that far, but this is definitely better than the opening of Arrow. I couldn't even make it through 3 whole episodes of Arrow before I had to bail.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

In the search for something positive to say, I do like Colleen Wing. Her scenes are usually decent.

The rest of this has been Shadowhunters on Freeform tier entertainment, with slightly better cinematography. It's actually a little more irritating to watch than that for me because of how scenes just linger.

 

[Renpatsu]

What the hell was with that scene that was so laughable, i get the point but that scene was funny not in a good way

I'm very early so I don't know how this may change, but thus far regardless of the dialogue, the characterisation of everyone save for Colleen comes across like a brick to the face.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

From the critics that normally give the shows high ratings?

I think the show deserves the criticism that it's gotten for the most part, but with any uber-popular brand, after a long string of successes, an average quality misstep can seem much worse than it actually is.

 

[Beefy]

Any one else just want to see Danny slapped about? It's like they made him the most annoying guy ever on purpose.

 

[shaowebb]

I'm guessing we find out Meacham was the reason the plane went down... which is arrow again, lol.

You do realize this is the actual history of Iron Fist right? Harold Meachum killed his father. He sabotaged a trek to the himalayas to find Kun Lun in the comics. Its not arrow again its Iron Fist's actual character history.

This is the character you came here to see folks. Show is fine. He's not a guy who has villains or a lot of crime in his origin story to go out and fight. He wasn't a dude driven to defend folks like Daredevil. He was a guy seeking to right the thing done to him that cost him his family and the life he knew that resulted in his eventual training to become the Iron Fist.

Sucks folks can't get this. Plus all the talk about why isn't he asian is also right up there on the list of "things folks say when they have ZERO idea about who the character is". White dude, out of place in a mystical city, everything he had lost, he's out of place in their world but trains to the top of it and leaves to reclaim his own place in the world he came from. Its why you're getting the "asian culture through a white guy" thing. He's that out of touch dude who is awkwardly stuck between who he was born to be and who he became when thrust into a world he didn't belong in.

Iron Fist isn't a guy who is a distilled pure character who bleeds nothing but the culture. He's a guy who became a part of that world due to circumstance and it left him unable to operate like everyone else back in the world he came from. He's out of place...thats his thing folks. Iron Fist's thing is that he always feels out of place in both worlds because of who he is, what he became and trying to balance the two. Actually learn the source material. By all means though just throw a big asian guy with nunchuk out there or something fighting ninjas who stole relics from his culture or something. Its a nice aesthetic but its not the story your casting for folks. You'd have a martial arts hero like folks seem to want but you sure wouldn't have anything resembling Iron Fist, his character or its history.

You tune in for Iron Fist try actually EXPECTING to get Iron Fist next time.

 

[The Kree]

Claire is the MacGuyver of nurses. LOL

She could perform brain surgery with toothpicks and bubblegum.

 

[Theecliff]

It's nowhere near 19% (was at one point 12%) awful. It's easily a high 40%.




No. And Metacritic is scoring it higher FYI.

... i think you're misunderstanding how the tomatometer works on rottentomatoes. it's not an average score, it's the percentage of critics that said they liked it. the average score is 4.7/10, which is higher than on metacritic.