Valkyr Junkie
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A $35k base car that will option out to over $60k like the other (non-EV) cars in the market segment.
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Tesla Model 3 will be revealed on March 31st
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A $35k base car that will option out to over $60k like the other (non-EV) cars in the market segment.
Musk doesn't actually say no AWD period, just not at launch. He said they expect to start building AWD 6 - 9 months after start of production.
So I wouldn't give up hope just yet. Depending on where your reservation is in the queue and where you live (based on how they are planning on rolling out deliveries) you could have a good chance of having the option.
So I wouldn't give up hope just yet. Depending on where your reservation is in the queue and where you live (based on how they are planning on rolling out deliveries) you could have a good chance of having the option.
SteveMeister
Hang out with Steve.
I'll probably configure a 75D and wait the extra 6-9 months. I'm patient enough to wait for what I want.
I'm almost glad that AWD isn't available at launch since it will move me towards the cheaper option. As much as I like AWD, it has given me headaches with my current car. One tire went bad, had to replace all four.
Depending on the price of the options, I may be looking at a pretty baseline Model 3. I'm not convinced I want to drop the money on autopilot until we see it actually working. This is assuming prices aren't too far off from Model S. If it's cheaper.. then hey, what the hell?
DarkestHour
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Credit or deduction?
m_shortpants
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No way I'm buying anything in the first few years. My wife's parents just bought a fully loaded Model S P100D for 160k and that thing is rife with production issues. Mismatched panels, bubbles in paint, leather issues in the seats, and even dings on the body.
Tesla is incredible, but they obviously are new to production issues and QA. They've been okay with fixing everything, but it kind of boggles my mind that a car they paid that much for had so many problems. Compare that to an S Class or 7 Series or even a Lexus LS and you wouldn't expect anything like that for the money.
That said, I can't wait to get one after they've been in production a few years.
Tesla is incredible, but they obviously are new to production issues and QA. They've been okay with fixing everything, but it kind of boggles my mind that a car they paid that much for had so many problems. Compare that to an S Class or 7 Series or even a Lexus LS and you wouldn't expect anything like that for the money.
That said, I can't wait to get one after they've been in production a few years.
It's a tax credit. Assuming your deductions are in order, you'll receive a tax refund from my understanding. Pulling up my W2.. I paid ~$12k in federal income taxes last year. If I had purchased an electric car that qualified for the credit, my overall tax liability will reduce by $7,500, so I'll get that money back when I file.
Hell, I'd gladly take a deduction.. but a credit is just icing on the cake.
Wanna give some feedback for those of us who are patiently waiting? How do you like the overall design of Tesla? Fun to drive? How's the power?
I have an older Audi TT right now and it's just killing me to wait for my first electric car. I love my current car, but the idea of instant power is just so exciting. I have played with the idea of getting Model S but I prefer smaller cars (hence the TT). Elon has always said that Model 3 won't have all of the bells and whistles that Model S has.. I hope they still deliver a premium experience. Otherwise I might as well get the Volt.
I'm leasing a Volt, but was in line on day one to preorder the Model 3. I like the Volt, but it doesn't hold a candle to the Model 3. Step back from that ledge!
I was fully planning on AWD, but I have to be honest with myselfeven though I live in a snowy winter climate, the roads get plowed and AWD would truly only be useful maybe three to five days out of the year when there's heavy snowfall before the plows get out. Not sure I can justify missing out on the full credit and having to wait possibly another 9 months. And going by Elon time, that probably means a year.
Adding to this, the EV credit is non-refundable. That means if you have $3,500 in tax liability, you do not get the extra $4,000 difference back in the form of a refund. Essentially, the credit only allows you to keep more of your money, not get a refund from other taxpayers' money.
While true, I've definitely noticed better traction and control during rain storms with awd. And that's pretty common where I live.
rokkerkory
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Would steer away from first gen cars with tesla's iffy quality
ZeezbruhTV
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I wouldn't touch a 2017 model with a 10 foot stick. 2nd half of '18 you should be good on quality.
Compared to my 3 previous cars (VW Golf, Mazda MX-5 and Toyota Prius) they´re level of comfort, design and quality is not even comparable. They are immensely fun and satisfying to drive, especially the Model S and if you like to get your body tested (friend of mine threw up when we did the 0-60 test). The Model X is an immensely satisfying family car, and both me and the wife love driving it. It feels great, controls great. Of course, the savings in gas is also a huge plus. I don´t regret the purchases at all. I used to be very sceptical of electric cars, but after having owned a couple now i really can´t imagine going back.
Mengy
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I bought a Subaru Crosstrek instead, favorite car I've ever owned too. I was going to wait to see what the Model 3 became, but now I'm glad I didn't. No AWD version means it's not for me as I need it in the winter, but man no gauge cluster? That's not for me either. And I can't afford a Model S, no matter how much I fanagle my finances they are just too much money.
The Model 3 looks to be a fine car, but it's not for me at all now that I've seen more of it.
Good compilation of autopilot preventing accidents: https://youtu.be/rphN3R6KKyU
I used to until last year!
The Russian version of these videos is going to be soogod.gif
One of the near misses in this was from a driver who later died when his auto pilot drove under a big rig
Edit: to be clear this isn't concern trolling, I'm all in on self driving cars, they will likely save far more lives than they ever endanger.
out of curiosity, how much? i pre-ordered about 3hrs after they opened, so i am sure i have a pretty early spot and with these little bits of news coming out, i am looking less interested in the car in its first phase rollout.
kutthoat5150
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looks like they redid the front which is what turned me off. Still cancelled my 2 reservations as I think I'll hold out until the Jag I-Pace as Musk's responses about the interior and overall exterior look drew me away
Musk already said "space-age steering" refers to autonomous driving that was revealed last fall. I think a lot of people were confused by this (I know I was) and thought that the actual steering wheel would be different, but that's not the case. It's what is steering the car (again, autonomous driving) that's different.
Unknown Soldier
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No AWD is a big problem. I wonder what they plan to do for early reservation holders who wanted AWD. Can we keep our place in line until the AWD option is available. Someone should tweet Elon and ask him this.
Ah I see.
LincolnSixEcho
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I reserved four days ago. The agreement says it's not transferable.
Septimus Prime
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Space age steering is probably just a regular steering wheel, since the Space Age was the 60s.
thoseAREmySHOES
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Whoa! What? I can't believe I didn't hear about this... that's horrible and terrifying at the same time. I agree with your edit, however.
This is not how it works. The tax credits carry over. So if you owed 2k for last year, you would pay nothing, and the remaning 5.5k would carryover to the next year and the year after until its used up. Its the same for solar panels.
CreepingFear
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I believe he was watching a movie in his car though. We aren't at the level where cars can drive themselves, not yet.
RBelong2Us
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The tax credit does not carry over. I have never heard that it does, everything I have read states that you can use it only for 1 tax year .
Link to prove otherwise ?
Link to prove otherwise ?
http://news.energysage.com/investment-tax-credit-rooftop-solar-happens-dont-enough-tax-liability/
Solar panels, but i thought EV credit was the same, it appears not, atleast not without some fancy accounting.
RBelong2Us
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If you wanna have potential to get audited then yeah..I'm sure there's ways to go about it.
The truck was also too high, the sensors didn't see it because they were angled too low. Presumably they've adjusted for this since.
Unknown Soldier
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Elon promised it would be like being in a spaceship. A single center console screen isn't like a spaceship, Elon!
The no AWD at launch and no HUD is really making me unhappy right now. Let's see what happens between now and the official final reveal I guess. I'm pretty sure I have a very early place in line but it's worthless if the only car available when my turn comes up is RWD.
It's funny that now I'm unbanned I can address this but you're banned right now. Oh well. I hope you see it.
The reason the Model S has a very SUV-like handling is because well it's basically an SUV. The curb weight of that car is very heavy compared to any sedan, in fact the 90 and 100 top-end battery models actually outweigh a Ford Explorer! They look small but they have the mass of land yachts and it's not surprising even with the low center of gravity to a large extent they tend to handle like them. 0-60 in a straight line is amazing on the Model S, but you're not going to make 4,000+ lbs. go around a corner like a Porsche whether it's an ICE or an electric motor.
The no AWD at launch and no HUD is really making me unhappy right now. Let's see what happens between now and the official final reveal I guess. I'm pretty sure I have a very early place in line but it's worthless if the only car available when my turn comes up is RWD.
It's funny that now I'm unbanned I can address this but you're banned right now. Oh well. I hope you see it.
The reason the Model S has a very SUV-like handling is because well it's basically an SUV. The curb weight of that car is very heavy compared to any sedan, in fact the 90 and 100 top-end battery models actually outweigh a Ford Explorer! They look small but they have the mass of land yachts and it's not surprising even with the low center of gravity to a large extent they tend to handle like them. 0-60 in a straight line is amazing on the Model S, but you're not going to make 4,000+ lbs. go around a corner like a Porsche whether it's an ICE or an electric motor.
make more money, pleb.
jk
looks like if you have a business and deduct your car you can carry it over.
http://insideevs.com/top-15-faqs-income-tax-credit-plug-vehicles/
Can I carry over my unused credit amount to a different tax year?
To the extent the credit is treated as a personal credit (i.e., attributable to personal driving) any unused credit cant be carried over to another tax year. However, to the extent the vehicle is used in the purchasers business, a proportionate amount of the credit is treated as a general business credit and the unused business credit can be carried over to another tax year.
having your own business won't get you audited, alone.
The solar panel one is awesome, cause you can carry it over, already confirmed on the internet and my accountant, till its completely used. Next up, in congress, the senate voted to repeal the federal solar panel tax credit...
Unknown Soldier
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Okay Elon, you're approaching WTF levels here now.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/847178475970547712
Has Elon ever actually driven his own car above the speed limit? Didn't he own a McLaren F1 before he wrecked it? Doesn't he know how important it is to see the speedometer of the car right in your field of view of all times?
Godfucking dammit Elon, you're really trying to cut the preorder numbers down because you can't make that many cars aren't you?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/847178475970547712
Has Elon ever actually driven his own car above the speed limit? Didn't he own a McLaren F1 before he wrecked it? Doesn't he know how important it is to see the speedometer of the car right in your field of view of all times?
Godfucking dammit Elon, you're really trying to cut the preorder numbers down because you can't make that many cars aren't you?
AstroNut325
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Septimus Prime
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Maybe he meant TIE Fighter.
Ambitious, but seems too early to make this choice. We're not a fully autonomous society yet.
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