YesEDIT: second was in soul box locked chest?
YesEDIT: second was in soul box locked chest?
Got a reply from the friend who works in the same office where they did the italian translation.
She talked with someone who handled it about the whole **** question and he said to her that it is in fact "kill" in the english version but it's also interchangeable with fuck since canon-wise they share the same meaning, and it is deliberately left ambiguous-
They went with fuck in the italian version because words for fuck and kill are different lenghts.
Of course this is from a translation of a translation of the japanese script, and i'm not even 100% of the girl i asked to, but i hope this helps clarifing a little bit.
Yeah that black box document is just an outright continuity oversight. Someone somewhere didn't do their job.
Are there any other traslations? And do anyone know how it is spelled in japanise?
They both say that the attack on the bunker was planned by the androids, and that they were all planned to be disposed of. The only difference between the documents is that the first says combat data will be given to a new group of androids, whilst the second only talks about collecting combat data. They are word for word identical other than that superfluous difference, but the first gets zero reaction from 9S whilst the second changes his entire worldview.How do you mean. As soon as the tower appears in the world its a sign that the machines have fully infiltrated the bunker (the backdoor has been opened by 9S prior to fighting Eve) and acquired all relevant data.
The Network shows all this stuff to 9S, and later A2 in the library, in order to show them how futile their fight is.
The key point is that the document specifically mentions a next generation of combat models, and that the fall of the bunker is a planned event. Meaning that a second set of orbital satellites is likely alreadey in place, and by extension another lunar relay serving it to maintain the charade.
Its almost like the old sheepdog and wolf cartoons, its the machine's turn to get a "win" this cycle, but its just another day at the office. The key thing is that both sides are in on the "joke".
How do you mean. As soon as the tower appears in the world its a sign that the machines have fully infiltrated the bunker (the backdoor has been opened by 9S prior to fighting Eve) and acquired all relevant data.
The Network shows all this stuff to 9S, and later A2 in the library, in order to show them how futile their fight is.
The key point is that the document specifically mentions a next generation of combat models, and that the fall of the bunker is a planned event. Meaning that a second set of orbital satellites is likely alreadey in place, and by extension another lunar relay serving it to maintain the charade.
Its almost like the old sheepdog and wolf cartoons, its the machine's turn to get a "win" this cycle, but its just another day at the office. The key thing is that both sides are in on the "joke".
So then the conclusion is that we shouldn't try to investigate different translations and stick to originally intended ambiguity.It's 「お前は2Bを △※したいと、思ってるんだろう?」 in Japanese, and while 「△※したい」 could basically mean anything - given the malleability of the Japanese language - people generally arrive at the same conclusions as in the West.
Thanks for the insider info, it's cool to know how translators work. While we argue about words that fit into 4 letters Italians just straight up went for a particular meaning.
Are there any other traslations? And do anyone know how it is spelled in japanise?
I feel so shitty that i kept flipping Devola and Popola the bird, convinced they'd turn out to be evil and behind it all, but getting their story at the end made me feel like such a piece of shit by the time i finally got my last ending. I kept expecting them to pop out and cheese me off, but they were honest and true and good people. That was such a big reversal for me as a fan of the first game. Bravo yoko taro!
So then the conclusion is that we shouldn't try to investigate different translations and stick to originally intended ambiguity.
Hm, I think their point is that they show the same information to 9S twice, and the second time is supposed to be a big reveal. I don't believe the red girls ever tell A2 about yorha disposal until 9S blurts it out during their showdown (ofc she might already know everything from the pearl harbour descent). I think what she reads in the library is about how the tower is a cannon.
Maybe i'm misreading you though.
I agree with you, this didn't have much impact for me. It doesn't really make me see things that happened in a different light.so ive beaten the game and the thing that im confused about the most is the reveal that 2B is actually 2E and she was supposed to be killing 9S all along
why? its not like theres any implication 9S was doing anything wacky before the prologue; in fact, wasnt he the one that was assigned to help 2B take care of the goliaths? were lead to believe 2B didnt know 9S was gunna be involved, and i guess that could be a ruse, but i really dont see whats going on there. just because whatever? also, why would they be doing so much work if 2Bs mission was just to kill 9S in very convenient ways? also, if he had to be killed, why did he keep coming back whenever he was? its not like hed forgotten anything of importance whenever he died, even if he ultimately didnt survive the fight with eve. he still wouldve eventually learned everything he did about project yorha
how does this serve the plot, also? i dont really understand what kind of impact this is supposed to have on the outcome of the story. this twist just feels very random and arbitrary, when everything already made perfect sense. i feel like, if you just removed that bit from the segment, things would still proceed exactly like they did and 9S would still be just as angry as he was
the only thing im seeing here is some weird new perspective on 2Bs change in character throughout the game. with or without this new information, though, 2B was cold and official at first but slowly opened up until she was killed and became the figure she was for 9S and A2. it doesnt make her friendship with 9S or any of her feelings any different. shes still essentially exactly who we thought she was. whats the point? i dont see what it really changes other than the fact that its another weird lie and a show of how weird the yorha project was
this is so jarring to me for some reason, it makes the final encounter between 9S and A2 feel so awkward to me. its such a random and unfulfilling piece of information
The backdoor is the final stage of Project Yorha. The idea if I'm not mistaking is to eliminate all Yohra androids and the bunkers so that the remaining androids on earth will never discover the truth about humanity being extinct and continue believing that humans are on the moon waiting till the war is over. Like the return of Jesus Christ basically.
- The backdoor is to enable endless fighting. The backdoor happens, android data moves onto new models, cycle continues. Each side constantly evolving in a made-up war, with made-up motives, with made-up gods. Its just the truest kind of sad. (this is mostly contextualized by when you learn about android moral after humanities demise; doubly so after you learn Devola and Popola's past post Nier).
this is the best most concise explanation, and I'm sure of that cuz it has me all misty eyed just reflecting it.9S is the most advanced Scanner YoRHa has. He has been "assigned to" 2B many times and does not remember it, because 2B's job is to protect him until he inevitably discovers the truth about humanity. YoRHa gets to use him to harvest lots of other important data, and to everyone who isn't 2B, the cost of killing him/bringing back a new 9S is worth it for whatever they get before he has to be killed. He did not always come back the way he was, which is precisely why 2B is so torn up about him not uploading his data at the end of the first mission. She's only "cold and official" with him to try and numb herself from fostering a relationship (be that romantic/platonic/whatever your interpretation may be) and that's why her behavior is so inconsistent. By the time the game starts, this has repeated many times over.
me too, hug is a 4 letter word rightI just wanna give 2B a hug after all she's gone through =(
just to add, the TOP SECRET documents mention that the backdoor is to be opened once they have collected enough combat data to be passed on to new models, destroying all evidence (including the document in the process). The moon base would remain to keep the human lie going so that the remaining androids would still have their "gods" to fight for.Yeah, this is what I was thinking.
Weren't they rolling in new Yorha models, though? I thought Yohra got taken out because they were close to "winning" the war.
You can't leave the moon unprotected, wouldn't people suspect something is up and think it's all over?
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Yeah, this is what I was thinking.
Wherever they been making them for the last 9000 years.But what I don't understand , if I'm missing something, in this new cycle, where are the new androids? If the bunkers are destroyed, where are they manufactured?
We don't know where the older generation androids were built. Hell, we don't even know if the YoRHa models are actually made in the Bunkers or if they are merely shipped from somewhere else.But what I don't understand , if I'm missing something, in this new cycle, where are the new androids? If the bunkers are destroyed, where are they manufactured?
I think it was just an explanation for why she reacted in those two moments the way she did and why she breaks her "character" to him, because it was playing on the pain she felt for something she'd been forced to do in events before the game we never see and it fucked her up after the battle with eve.I agree with you, this didn't have much impact for me. It doesn't really make me see things that happened in a different light.
But what I don't understand , if I'm missing something, in this new cycle, where are the new androids? If the bunkers are destroyed, where are they manufactured?
yea, this is just the unecessary information they leave out. Its whoever built the current YoRHa, who we dont know. We do know that Jackass is looking for them, and she will find them, and she will kill them.Wherever they been making them for the last 9000 years.
The game doesn't do a very good job of conveying the exact nature of 2B and 9S' situation, and to an extent, it kind of sabotages its own reveal with the clipshow of incidental deaths from throughout the game.
Plus, the one time that 9S actually DOES learn the truth, the Commander confronts 9S and is just like "yeah I guess" and 2B doesn't have to kill him.
You can get a little more context from this short story: http://nier2.com/blog/2017/03/07/nierautomata-world-guide-novellas/#more-5385
For reference, that story is meant to take place at some point before the game begins.
Yeah, that did need explaining. I think it's sort of a boring explanation though.I think it was just an explanation for why she reacted in those two moments the way she did and why she breaks her "character" to him, because it was playing on the pain she felt for something she'd been forced to do in events before the game we never see and it fucked her up after the battle with eve.
I wished i'd done the two emile bosses in my playthrough but thats something i'll do eventually. I looked it up and it bums me out how emile's storyline in this game actually ends.
Nier remake at least! I feel its so deserving now.I want a Drakengard remake by Platinum now. It's never gonna happen.
I dunno, i felt like that came across for me in the moment. It hit me pretty hard.Yeah, that did need explaining. I think it's sort of a boring explanation though.
I think why I'm not 100% satisfied with the story is that I was constantly waiting for a giant mind blowing revelation like in the original Nier, but that one is very hard to top.
The commander confirms the information to 9S because from her perspective, it doesn't matter. She assumes 2B will find out he's discovered the truth and kill him, just as she's done many times before. What the commander isn't aware of is 1. things will not pan out that simply and 9S will not get the chance to tell 2B/just doesn't tell her, and 2. that 2B is starting to resent her orders and will take any excuse to not kill this 9S.
yea, good point. My first opinion was she flipped on them because she was supporting the YoRHa project destruction goals and realized they had escaped the destruction. However now remembering the top secret documents, she was in the dark about the destruction, only knowing about the human lie.Ya, and I think that's why the commander first turns on them when they show up in the Bunker after the virus. They're acting weird and 9S hasn't been taken care of. Makes that scene less jarring that she suddenly suspects them.
Had this thought earlier today. Makes sense.Ya, and I think that's why the commander first turns on them when they show up in the Bunker after the virus. They're acting weird and 9S hasn't been taken care of. Makes that scene less jarring that she suddenly suspects them.
The 2E twist doesn't just change the way you see 2B in the main story, it also recontextualizes certain sidequests:
-Amnesia, where 2B acts jealous at 9S helping the android, and makes an "ignorance is bliss" comment after 9S remarks that he's never heard of E units
-YoRHa Betrayers, where 2B getting the mission at all hints at what she really is, as well as how Pod 042 nonchalantly switches from "detain" to "destroy" to 9S's confusion, to how 2B is either silent or tries to move on when 9S points out that they just killed fellow units who didn't commit one of the crimes they were accused of
-Wandering Couple, where the twist is that the woman has been reformatting the man's memories multiple times
It also changes the feel of the end of Route B to the beginning act of Route C a lot; The situation goes from "9S has learned a dark secret while earnest soldier 2B is still in the dark until he tells her" to "9S doesn't really know anything, 2B has been the one with the knowledge all along"
N2 is one massive Manah shout-out all over, that part included.Something else i thought about. The red girl boss has the giant form at the end, anyone else get vibes of the ending A final boss (Giant Mana) from drakkengard 1?
Something else i thought about. The red girl boss has the giant form at the end, anyone else get vibes of the ending A final boss (Giant Mana) from drakkengard 1?
Oh yeah i totally got some "the watchers talking through mana" vibes there. I was really hoping the voice would switch to that specific tone just for a second. ;pWouldn't you say the little girl is reminiscent of Manah in the first place even before that?
For those unsure.
Got a reply from the friend who works in the same office where they did the italian translation.
She talked with someone who handled it about the whole **** question and he said to her that it is in fact "kill" in the english version but it's also interchangeable with fuck since canon-wise they share the same meaning, and it is deliberately left ambiguous-
They went with fuck in the italian version because words for fuck and kill are different lenghts.
Of course this is from a translation of a translation of the japanese script, and i'm not even 100% of the girl i asked to, but i hope this helps clarifing a little bit.
Now, in French, there are a lot of ways to say either fornicate or kill. But common ones for kill in 6 letters ? The only one I can think of on top of my head is "occire" which is not that common in fact (more in literary works). Plus it sounds awkward in everyday life and dialogue.
oh, wow. And here all I took that for was "Pisseth Off', which to be fair, is still the best partSpeaking of side content that takes on a different tone after seeing the whole story, the Romeos and Juliets scene is loaded with commentary about the machine/android war, but also, this sticks out:
Speaking of side content that takes on a different tone after seeing the whole story, the Romeos and Juliets scene is loaded with commentary about the machine/android war, but also, this sticks out:
I want a Drakengard remake by Platinum now. It's never gonna happen.
What is this picture supposed to show?
Speaking of side content that takes on a different tone after seeing the whole story, the Romeos and Juliets scene is loaded with commentary about the machine/android war, but also, this sticks out: