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Capcom sure is having a rough E3
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MvC rightfully getting slammed. It doesn't play as well as the last entry, has a limp roster and is visually disgusting. It was either delay it a very long time or just do the best with the little they've got and Capcom chose the latter.
MHXX not being localized is also a fair criticism. The localization is mostly done. The established fan base is on Nintendo. It feels like they abandoned that direction in favor of MHW when they could've followed both, easily.
MHW isn't exactly a negative reaction, but it's fair to be skeptical. Visually it's a little behind the times. Gameplay was questionable for a while but seems most fears are quelled. Also it's up in the air whether the game will click with the AAA loving console mainstream like Capcom wants. I have trouble seeing it doing more than the usual core million or so Western fans.
They brought it on themselves.
MHXX not being localized is also a fair criticism. The localization is mostly done. The established fan base is on Nintendo. It feels like they abandoned that direction in favor of MHW when they could've followed both, easily.
MHW isn't exactly a negative reaction, but it's fair to be skeptical. Visually it's a little behind the times. Gameplay was questionable for a while but seems most fears are quelled. Also it's up in the air whether the game will click with the AAA loving console mainstream like Capcom wants. I have trouble seeing it doing more than the usual core million or so Western fans.
They brought it on themselves.
Yup. When I first played Tri I immediately wanted to play Portable 3rd next
but Capcom said no lol
Yep, for all new players it's a game well more suited to their taste.
But from their fanbase, it was quite mixed... And of course the news of MHXX was quite a shock. We know that once Capcom decide not to localize, it's kinda futile to resist, we have example on Gyakuten Saiban for exemple.
So yeah, i can understand the fandom even if i personally don't like Monster Hunter.
I don't understand how the devs looked at MvCI and thought it was acceptable. It looks damn near horrid, like an app mobile game where most of the devs don't give a damn and are in "paycheck" mode.
Jawmuncher
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Are people not reading my post.
I even say MHW looks fine (but there is some backlash) and that I'm sad to see MVC getting shit on so hard (even though I want it to be better).
You make it sound like I went "Capcom E3 sucked because no Dino Crisis was there"
MVCI looks bad, and having Fighters come out of nowhere didn't help.
Not really a big monster hunter fan, but I was surprised XX isn't being localized and World isn't coming for the Switch. Seems like a big gamble making a monster hunter game that won't appeal to Japan that much.
Not really a big monster hunter fan, but I was surprised XX isn't being localized and World isn't coming for the Switch. Seems like a big gamble making a monster hunter game that won't appeal to Japan that much.
Gotdatmoney
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This exactly emphasizes why Capcom is a fucking stupid company. Deny fans of your franchise a game they want that is going to sell well to push a version on that subset that will undoubtebly decline no matter what you do.
Makes perfect sense
names2hard4you
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World is easily the game seem to be talking about the most, for the most part in a positive light. The XX thing though is unfortunate. As for MvC, it gets a "meh" from me, but then again I am not really into the fighting game scene too deeply.
Goddamn.
Should have cut to the in-game intro for Gohan after the scream to achieve maximum savagery
SmackAttack
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My friends and I are actually considering Monster Hunter World and not only have we been down on Capcom for years but I've never played a Monster Hunter game before.
That said, MvC: Infinite looks bad. I'm bad at most fighting games but come on son, look at that mess. Capcom keeps on doing stupid shit and they should be called out for it.
That said, MvC: Infinite looks bad. I'm bad at most fighting games but come on son, look at that mess. Capcom keeps on doing stupid shit and they should be called out for it.
Dark Ninja
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And probably what Capcom is hoping for too. They really have been begging/getting help money wise from other companies lately. Capcom must be 1 or 2 major bombs from going under or something
MHXX cannibalizing/siphoning interest from MHW would be bad for Capcom from the perspective of: "This is our title we made to break out in the west with a more palatable presentation, budget, etc." If you have MHXX potentially resulting in people picking that up instead and being content, then you run a risk of "who was this for" for MHW.
MHW is a project that got caught by change in market and time. When it was greenlit, years ago now circa 2013-2014, the market in Japan was at a weird impasse. The PS4 was coming, 3DS *looked* like it may start winding down by the time the project would finish (few would predict that the 3DS would keep chugging along to 23 million and alive in 2017 in Japan and RotW), and the WiiU was all but dead already.
They hedged local bets on PS4 and it wasn't in their control that the PS4 would release and then immediately falter in its local market with little competition. Market realities set in, the PS4's prospects are what they are, and it was far too late to change direction. So they pivoted to the west because that was where the market for consoles was actually healthy. (Given the time tables, fittingly enough, this was likely also greenlit before the handheld 'surge' for MH4U/MHX in the west was realized, so... ya.)
So they are now focused on making MHW the big thing for the west and they need their investment justified. MHXX, for them, is seen as a potential muddling of the message or internal competition.
Look, when this was greenlit those "western fans" and the fruits of their partnership with Nintendo's marketing in the west hadn't yet been a thing, they basically did not yet exist in the capacity they do so today on the 3DS. MH4U didn't hit its stride in the west until 2014-2015, this project is erring on 2013-2014 as a start date.
Were they short sighted? Probably.
Are they time-traveling wizards? No.
Waiting for this game, getting impatient about not having any updates!
MrMephistoX
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Honestly I saw it in the demo room and it's the first MH I'm legitimately hyped for. Nintendo makes a great system but I'm more interested in seeing the franchise evolve like this than basically getting an uprezed version of games I had no interest in playing in the first place.
Allonym
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MvsC dropped the ball with the fact that the roster is poor, it's now 2v2 and the artstyle looks terrible. Maybe the roster has something to do with Marvel pushing their cinematic universe which would be a scummy development for fans of the franchise. I know some people claim that Marvel isn't intentionally attempting to devalue some of their properties but their omission is extremely strange.
MHXX not making it west is probably a decision that Capcom came to after much deliberation. I think they'd localize the title if it in turn made more money for them than the costs of localizing it. Maybe they'll bring it over following MHW release.
MHXX not making it west is probably a decision that Capcom came to after much deliberation. I think they'd localize the title if it in turn made more money for them than the costs of localizing it. Maybe they'll bring it over following MHW release.
Must not have been clear. Point wasn't about platform shift, but the refusal to localize.
I like to think MH fans are more elastic and will go where the game exists. I mean I don't see anyone making a stink about Double Cross being ported to Switch.
I was very much looking forward to MHXX, I was ready to buy a Switch solely for that. Capcom seemed to have been treating western fans better lately and then we get this news. Just makes no sense. Also fuck everyone trying to turn this into some console war bullshit.
Some of the information coming out about MHWorld since the trailer has been more reassuring. It's going to have a lot of things I've wanted for years, which I guess offsets them making changes I disagree with like potions while moving or visible damage numbers. They definitely need to properly show a full hunt as soon as possible.
Some of the information coming out about MHWorld since the trailer has been more reassuring. It's going to have a lot of things I've wanted for years, which I guess offsets them making changes I disagree with like potions while moving or visible damage numbers. They definitely need to properly show a full hunt as soon as possible.
Now you understand how PSP users felt
Yeah I mean why couldn't they have learned from their shitty mistake and decisions? Everyone else should have to suffer too am I right?
MHW is getting praised all around, with the negatives coming from pissed nintendo and handheld fans
And MvCIs issue is just mostly the characters faces and general artstyle especially when looking at DBFZ, the lack of legacy characters like the X-Men which was where the MvC series was built on doesnt help either, but general impressions from the gameplay are very positive
And MvCIs issue is just mostly the characters faces and general artstyle especially when looking at DBFZ, the lack of legacy characters like the X-Men which was where the MvC series was built on doesnt help either, but general impressions from the gameplay are very positive
eyeball_kid
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Deep Down is the only game of theirs I cared about, but it was MIA again. Some communication about its status might be nice.
I doubt things are that bad, but we know that Street Fighter 5 was a big blow for them.
Sanctuary
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It's the new Vs 13.
ChaosZeroX
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I've seen nothing but good things from every title.
AfterTheFall
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Odd, I've seen lots of people on Twitter and social media excited for Monster Hunter Worlds.
I mean, MvCI still looks fun in terms of gameplay, but everything else about it looks rough. And even with certain restrictions in mind on the Marvel side, both sides of the roster seem pretty uninspired on Day 1.
Monster Hunter World is a game that caught my curiosity, but I'm not necessarily losing my shit over it just yet.
Monster Hunter World is a game that caught my curiosity, but I'm not necessarily losing my shit over it just yet.
Agent_Carnage
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How would it cannibalize it? If someone had both a 3DS/Switch and PS4 they would get the PS4 version with it looking the best. Or if they were big enough MH fan buy both. Only way it would cannibalize it if someone had both PS4 3DS/Switch and only got it for the Nintendo products.
MHW was initially received with skepticism because what they showed on the main stage was garbage, frankly. There was no combat whatsoever, and after Capcom'd previous attempts to Westernize their franchises, I don't blame anyone from being critical about what Capcom showed on Sony's stage. Thankfully they cleared up a lot of stuff afterwards, but if you haven't kept up with that, then yeah, it looks pretty shaky.
MvCI just looks like dogshit. I'm sure it'll play fine, but the fact that it looks worse than UMvC3 in a lot of ways is unacceptable. People would be making memes about Chun-Li's awful face even if DBFZ wasn't a thing, it's that bad.
MvCI just looks like dogshit. I'm sure it'll play fine, but the fact that it looks worse than UMvC3 in a lot of ways is unacceptable. People would be making memes about Chun-Li's awful face even if DBFZ wasn't a thing, it's that bad.
Napalm_Frank
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All they need to do is show REmake 2 made in the style of original REmake at TGS/PSX and they are the kings of the world again.
Dark Ninja
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Well luckily for them MVCi is somewhat close to releasing. DragonBall is sometime next year.
In no world is mvc2 a beautiful game
Gotdatmoney
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Sorry but no. Niche ass Japanese RPGs with tons of text that struggle to sell 50k units get localized for the West all the time. You trying to sit here and tell me a series where the last 2 games sold 1.5 and ~1 million units in the west in which half of the game was already localized in the base release wont make money? Nope. Please don't imply this has anything to do with making money. It doesn't.
audio_delay
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Would have love to heard from capcom that some Resident Evil title is in works and what direction it will go, same for other fan favourites. MonHun is fun, but RE, DMC are just more popular in the west, in my opinion. Even if they just showed a logo like metroid prime 4, i would have been hyped. But capcom's presents at E3 feels halfbaked.
NoctisVsStar
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Lmaooooooooooooooo
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Capcom can still do some things decently, but overall they are just not capable of many others that they used to be the standard bearers of- fighting games, for example.
Monster Hunter is Monster Hunter, that is the same game over and over again. That's an automatic for them, what is there even to do to keep that going.
Monster Hunter is Monster Hunter, that is the same game over and over again. That's an automatic for them, what is there even to do to keep that going.
Well, yes, this is cannibalizing.
There's a large subset of the population that likely would prefer mobility and, if offered, would just not buy into the other product at all. (This is likely still true anyway but Capcom is likely expecting/hoping you to pick up the console version instead because you don't have an option. *You* here being generic.)
And then, imagine, if MHW (I mean, this is probably flat-out guaranteed) starts introducing freemium options: skins, currencies, unlocks, loot boxes, etc. If people bought MHXX instead of MHW, they are now entirely removed from a potential extended revenue source for Capcom.
But, again, as I said in my edit, this audience in the west on handhelds didn't exist when they greenlit this project. In many ways, this isn't a project for them or, at least, did not consider them when it was started.
LordRaptor
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If it wasn't for the PSP, MonHun would have just been another attempt at a new IP that died on the PS2, there's not really any probably about it
SmackAttack
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Who knows because honestly MvCI needs an extra year in the oven. If you give it an extra year to update the visuals and story mode then it could be something amazing.
MvCI reminds me a lot of KOF14. Gameplay will be great but, man the presentation leaves a bad taste. Who's even playing KOF anymore?
Barkley's Justice
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"Gamers" should probably get some more hobbies.
Capcom likely doesn't have the budget to reverse course, delay or expand on anything. They are locking themselves into a corner that is shrinking more by the day due to ineptitude.
AgentChris
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Story trailer for MvC3 looked bad but the gameplay looked fun. MH:W I thought showed very well.
mysteriousmage09
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LMAO!
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