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Germany passes law for Same-Sex-Marriage

GAMEPROFF

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A vote on the introduction of same-sex marriage could be on the agenda in Germany after Chancellor Angela Merkel said Monday that she would like to see parliament move towards a "vote of conscience" on the issue.
Merkel's comments represent a shift for the German leader and her conservative party, the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), which has opposed same-sex marriage to keep in line with "traditional" family values.

The Chancellor made the comments in response to a question Monday evening at an event in Berlin hosted by women's magazine Brigitte. Asked by a gay man in the audience whether he would be able to refer to his partner as "my husband," Merkel acknowledged the widespread support for gay marriage among German voters -- who will vote soon in federal elections -- and suggested a free vote on same-sex marriage could be held among members of parliament.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/27/europe/germany-same-sex-marriage/index.html


Also, there was already a update on this at Tagesschau.de:
http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/ehe-fuer-alle-115.html

It looks like the vote is going to be on Friday and its going to be withou fractional forced, this means, every sitting member of the Bundestag is allowed to vote with his own opinion, without looking at the party-line.


Big deal, since Merkel was 100% against this until recently.

Edit: Major Fuck Up on my side! This was supposed to mean "Germany about to finally hold vote on same-sex-marriage"

Gonna PM a mod to get this corrected. Sorry!
 
Many years too late imo. But better late then never. Glad it's happening so fast now. Merkel just doesn't want to give other parties credit for it so she want's to get it over now quick.
 
I'm looking forward to it.
This is one of the few things where Germany is just ass-backwards in regards to.
Basically every party (except AfD and apparently CSU) is on-board for same-sex marriage.
If this doesn't go through then I don't know what will.
 
I'm looking forward to it.
This is one of the few things where Germany is just ass-backwards in regards to.
Basically every party (except AfD and apparently CSU) is on-board for same-sex marriage.
If this doesn't go through then I don't know what will.

CDU isn't really on-board either, tbh.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
What's the general mood in Germany on gay marriage. Is this something the public is ok with but its just the politicians playing politics or is this still a contentious issue for the general public?
 

GAMEPROFF

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What's the general mood in Germany on gay marriage. Is this something the public is ok with but its just the politicians playing politics or is this still a contentious issue for the general public?

3/4 of the publich is in support of gay marriage.
 
What's the general mood in Germany on gay marriage. Is this something the public is ok with but its just the politicians playing politics or is this still a contentious issue for the general public?

About 80% of the general public want same-sex marriage. It was just Merkels party holding it back.
 
What's the general mood in Germany on gay marriage. Is this something the public is ok with but its just the politicians playing politics or is this still a contentious issue for the general public?

general public is in favor of it. It was just CDU/CSU who were against it and now Merkel realised that it will probably cost her some votes if the other parties can campaign with something that the majority of the voters agree with so she now also agrees with it.
 

Ladekabel

Member
Good on them


Eliminating issues that could help other campaigns is so Merkel.

Apparently the Union doesn't want to vote about until after the election.

What's the general mood in Germany on gay marriage. Is this something the public is ok with but its just the politicians playing politics or is this still a contentious issue for the general public?

Majority is for it. I think more than 75%. But most people don't want to see them make out in public.
 

AmFreak

Member
What's the general mood in Germany on gay marriage. Is this something the public is ok with but its just the politicians playing politics or is this still a contentious issue for the general public?
The only reason it's still not done is that Merkel/her party has been in power since the dawn of time.
 
To add additional context, several parties demanded same-sex marriage if someone wanted to get into a coalition with them after the Bundestagswahlen this year.

I think it was Grüne first a few days ago, and FDP and SDP following that. Not sure if Linke did the same.
 

ZombAid82

Member
3/4 of the publich is in support of gay marriage.

I just cannot believe that, when I'm sitting here at work, and all the hatred that is spewed against the Gay community is beyond believing...
I'm Bi-Sexual myself and get all kind of funny looks from some of my Co-Workers just because I'm open about it....
 
I just cannot believe that, when I'm sitting here at work, and all the hatred that is spewed against the Gay community is beyond believing...
I'm Bi-Sexual myself and get all kind of funny looks from some of my Co-Workers just because I'm open about it....

In which Bundesland do you live in, if I may ask?
 

Fliesen

Member
Bloody hell, talk about my own ignorance. I genuinely thought Germany had legalised same-sex marriage.

They have civil unions. "same but different" (in many regards)
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HylianTom

Banned
It still amazes me how the US legalized gay marriage before countries like Germany.
Yep.

In all honesty, I think a large part of our situation is that we got really lucky with one Reagan appointee to SCOTUS. Without Anthony Kennedy, our state-by-state marriage map would be a big mess.
 

Fritz

Member
Bloody hell, talk about my own ignorance. I genuinely thought Germany had legalised same-sex marriage.

There is the possibility of a registered Partnership but not marriage.

The issue was mainly with the benefits a civil marriage receives like tax reliefs which where designed to support families and eventually incite birth rates. Like here have a tax relief since you will probably give 3 tax payers back.
 
There is the possibility of a registered Partnership but not marriage.

The issue was mainly with the benefits a civil marriage receive like tax reliefs which where designed to support families and eventually incite birth rates. Like here have a tax relief since you will probably give 3 tax payers back.

Sounds like how it was in the US before SCOTUS got involved. Then there were states that allowed marriage and others that didn't recognize it/allow it.
 
Germany still doesn't have same sex marriage? New leader of the free world my ass.

1. Americans made up that stupid title for themselves, no one thinks about "leader of the free world" besides Americans.
2. German society has been much more accepting than U.S concerning homosexuality for a very long time, really getting traction around the counter-culture era.
3. Gay marriage comes through the legislative process in Europe and other parts of the world, unlike it did in the U.S, and it had to have further protections by executive order IIRC.
4. Germany has much better protection laws concerning discrimination of LGBTQ as of now and for much longer than the U.S, especially for transgender people than most countries even where marriage is legal, such as issues concerning their healthcare.
5. Gay marriage is not a barometer for the life of LGBTQ people in a country. Another country I have stayed in, South Africa, has had full LGBTQ rights since the 90s, but it's not that great for LGBTQ people in general due to bad enforcement and general societal views. Views on LGBTQ in the U.S has only changed in very recent years and still are behind compared to countries that don't even have gay marriage like Germany.

Open queer artistic expression and gay lifestyle itself has been in some Germany cities, famously Berlin, since the 1920s. It never disappeared. It's among the greatest places to be for LGBTQ.

It's no excuse for no gay marriage, but it's really dumb to snub it off if you don't understand Germany. One of the reasons why it hasn't been done for so long is because of Merkel being in power for 12 years now, her own party has LGBTQ people in it, from memory I recall it's Jens Spahn. Most Germans by far are for it, and some have no opinion and don't care. I've rarely ever come across someone that is hostile towards LGBTQ in Germany, and I come from north east Germany as well. It mostly boils down to the CDU/CSU together, I know some other LGBTQ people that vote for CDU even, but the issue of lack of gay marriage in Germany isn't so much due to it being an issue of society or the people that vote for the CDU. It's kind of a weird and bizarre thing to explain.

Edit: As others have said later in this thread, even AfD the far-right party has no real official stance concerning LGBTQ last I checked, they even chose a lesbian candidate for their party for the election, Alice Weidel. It's just a bizarre thing all round when there is no actual anti-gay platform in any of the other parties except CSU in Bavaria concerning the issue of marriage itself in terms of Christian tradition, nor any significant anti-gay social movements that have a voice. The reason why a party like AfD doesn't have an anti-gay platform is because it makes no sense for them to because it won't get them any votes because there's no viable significant anti-gay sentiment in the population to get votes from.
 
This is such a Merkel move.

It really is. People give her credit for having progressive views, but on issues like this she's always noncommital until the exact moment when she realizes she's lost majority support. Then she flipflops and gets the credit for things the other parties pushed.

See Atomausstieg.

The refugee crisis was really the only moment she took initiative
 
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Deleted member 80556

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I'd say Colombia (a third world country) has had it for some time, but then again:

2. German society has been much more accepting than U.S concerning homosexuality for a very long time, beginning around the counter-culture era.
3. Gay marriage comes through the legislative process in Europe and other parts of the world, unlike it did in the U.S.
4. Germany has much better protection laws concerning discrimination of LGBTQ as of now and for much longer than the U.S, especially for transgender people than most countries even where marriage is legal, such as issues concerning their healthcare.
5. Gay marriage is not a barometer for the life of LGBTQ people in a country.

This is all true. My country is still very much backwards in terms of LGBTQ protection.
 

Audioboxer

Member
We have already something similar for some years, but the LBGT-Community wanted the real deal

They have civil unions. "same but different" (in many regards)

There is the possibility of a registered Partnership but not marriage.

The issue was mainly with the benefits a civil marriage receives like tax reliefs which where designed to support families and eventually incite birth rates. Like here have a tax relief since you will probably give 3 tax payers back.

Yeah, I know civil partnerships normally "come first", I just thought Germany had progressed from them a while back. Oh well, I hope this vote happens and goes ahead. As everyone can see from countries with marriage it works... just fine.
 

azyless

Member
The issue was mainly with the benefits a civil marriage receives like tax reliefs which where designed to support families and eventually incite birth rates. Like here have a tax relief since you will probably give 3 tax payers back.
They also can't jointly adopt a child, which I imagine would be possible if same sex marriage was a thing.
 

AmFreak

Member
Ok i'll bite. Tell me what disaster
1. Ignores the general refugee problem for years
2. Then single-handily tells everyone that they are welcome and the border is open
3. Turns to the EU after the fact
4. Majority of EU sees it different, countries like Hungary close their borders
5. Countries that closed their borders constantly get called out (by politicians, media, etc.)
6. Germany alone, loose of control, endless refugee stream into Germany, too much to handle alone
7. ???
8. After endlessly calling out countries who closed their borders pay dictator to do the dirty work for you/to stop the refugee stream
9. Treat dictator well (Böhmermann, Incirlik, etc..)
 
1. Americans made up that stupid title for themselves, no one thinks about "leader of the free world" besides Americans.
2. German society has been much more accepting than U.S concerning homosexuality for a very long time, really getting traction around the counter-culture era.
3. Gay marriage comes through the legislative process in Europe and other parts of the world, unlike it did in the U.S, and it had to have further protections by executive order IIRC.
4. Germany has much better protection laws concerning discrimination of LGBTQ as of now and for much longer than the U.S, especially for transgender people than most countries even where marriage is legal, such as issues concerning their healthcare.
5. Gay marriage is not a barometer for the life of LGBTQ people in a country. Another country I have stayed in, South Africa, has had full LGBTQ rights since the 90s, but it's not that great for LGBTQ people in general due to bad enforcement and general societal views. Views on LGBTQ in the U.S has only changed in very recent years and still are behind compared to countries that don't even have gay marriage like Germany.

Open queer artistic expression and gay lifestyle itself has been in some Germany cities, famously Berlin, since the 1920s. It never disappeared. It's among the greatest places to be for LGBTQ.

It's no excuse for no gay marriage, but it's really dumb to snub it off if you don't understand Germany. One of the reasons why it hasn't been done for so long is because of Merkel being in power for 12 years now, her own party has LGBTQ people in it, from memory I recall it's Jens Spahn. Most Germans by far are for it, and some have no opinion and don't care. I've rarely ever come across someone that is hostile towards LGBTQ in Germany, and I come from north east Germany as well. It mostly boils down to the CDU/CSU together, I know some other LGBTQ people that vote for CDU even, but the issue of lack of gay marriage in Germany isn't so much due to it being an issue of society or the people that vote for the CDU. It's kind of a weird and bizarre thing to explain.

Well, it's only happening now because almost all of the natural coalition partners will demand it for a deal and it's a way to neutralize that before the election.

Not a bad idea IMO. But yeah, it's taken so long because of the CDU/CSU itself.
 
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