arturo2666
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Not enough people played Game & Wario, the true king of utilizing the Gamepad for unique gameplay.
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Now second screen gaming is dead, can we agree it was a bad idea in the first place?
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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I really liked how ZombiU used the second screen. Glancing away from the action to look in your backpack felt so tense because you were actually physically looking away from the action.
perfectchaos007
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The 2DS XL releases next month. It isn't dead yet
martinstraka8282
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It usually annoyed me with the wii u so I agree. I could see it being more useful in a handheld situation but forcing it in to consoles was bothersome.
depths20XX
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Was amazing on DS and 3DS. Some games were super chill relaxing in bed using the stylus.
Do you really think Nintendo had to choose between more power and another screen?
UpperCaseN
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I'll agree with OP, just a little less harshly. Some games utilized it better than others. Was 1 of the screens in the DS Castlevanias dedicated to map? I can't remember but if yes, then that is legitimately great
Barrel Cannon
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Oh jeez I should read the OP. My bad I thought this was DS talk and not the WII U. There were so many great concepts from NintendoLand that never got fleshed out
TheMagician
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MercuryLS3
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Same, i didn't care for DS and 3DS either. Gimme one good screen, so happy with the way Nintendo made the Switch.
RoboGeorgeForeman
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On the WiiU it definitely was a mistake. I found it hard to follow two screens at once and on games like Kirby Rainbow Curse I ended up ignoring my TV entirely since all of the action (i.e. drawing) took place on the smaller screen.
Didn't really mind it on the DS and 3DS. There were definitely some games that took advantage of the feature.
Didn't really mind it on the DS and 3DS. There were definitely some games that took advantage of the feature.
tommyleelynn
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Yeah? Who did it kill?
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Deleted member 752119
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DS sold a shitton of units, so it was clearly not a mistake.
I never cared for it much tough as I disliked the touch screen/stylus in games that required them and hated the poor main screen quality. 3DS was worse though as 3D games really suffered on that screen--the DS had many more 2D games that looked alright on it's screen, especially the Lite and later models.
I don't think many DS/3DS games add much to it (some do though), most were just maps and stats. The Wii U had some great examples, same with cell phone integration (JackBox, Eon Altar), the Vita had 1 (come on Sony) in the very fun LBP2 DLC, and now VR has some fun ones too. I love second screen when done well, and I hope it continues.
Uno Venova
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Yeah if it was that great it probably would have still been around. Will probably forget about it in 15 years.
SenjutsuSage
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OP needs to play elite beat agents and the world ends with you. 
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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I think the OP is 100% right on this... the proof is in the pudding really.
The WiiU was designed around this and it failed spectacularly. Sure you can argue that it worked well on DS/3DS, but on a console with standard couch gaming viewing distances, it was a bad idea... no question.
The WiiU was designed around this and it failed spectacularly. Sure you can argue that it worked well on DS/3DS, but on a console with standard couch gaming viewing distances, it was a bad idea... no question.
Jon Carter
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It was a good idea. People are not asking for the Switch to be used as a second screen because it's both Nintendo's new console and new handheld. Functioning as both simply takes precedence because it's merging their two main product lines.
I don't think Nintendo explicitly designed the Switch to not have second screen. It's a side effect of the docking implementation, unfortunately. But they clearly expect most users to have a cell phone (as seen with the system app implementation), so that kind of second screen is most definitely still around (Jackbox).
TWEWY IOS removed half the gamplay, The gameplay that was on the 2nd screen. your literally just trolling at this point.
Barry Burton
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I don't think the feature itself was a bad idea. The bad idea was building a whole console around it, when it's not something that would necessarily be an improvement for every game.
I liken it to the Wii-mote. There was an enormous amount of potential for both, but very few games really took advantage of that and many more just shoe-horned that functionality in. Sometimes, using a standard controller is just the better way to go. Plus, offering options is always good.
I liken it to the Wii-mote. There was an enormous amount of potential for both, but very few games really took advantage of that and many more just shoe-horned that functionality in. Sometimes, using a standard controller is just the better way to go. Plus, offering options is always good.
Then why did he bring up TWEWY IOS?
I have seen at least 2 people Bring up Keep talking and nobody explodes, Many people have also mentioned Jackbox and Sony's counterfeit Jackbox. People are bringing up more then just the DS and 3DS because OP just straight up attacked ALL dual screen gameplay.
This is where I fall into.
Also for the Wii U, I'm sure it didn't help 3rd Parties that just wanted to port their game... now had to do something to address it.
Moor-Angol
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The second screen worked well on DS/3DS, can't say the same thing for Wii U
The Hermit
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It worked fine in the DS and even WiiU, if we'll implemented.
Breath of the Wild constant item management showed how better could be in the WiiU version originally. Eating probably happened in real time fixing one of the major balacing problems regarding health
Kirby Canvas curse had a great use.
Breath of the Wild constant item management showed how better could be in the WiiU version originally. Eating probably happened in real time fixing one of the major balacing problems regarding health
Kirby Canvas curse had a great use.
Prevolition
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I hope that 2+ Switches can utilize second screen/asymmetrical gameplay in some capacity. One Switch on the dock and multiple Switches portable for something like Nintendo Land without compromising power.
KojiKnight
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9 pages of glorious thread backfire.
Full agreement here. Second screen gaming on Nintendo's consoles was amazing. It's a shame Sony and Microsoft bungled their equivalents so hard.
Full agreement here. Second screen gaming on Nintendo's consoles was amazing. It's a shame Sony and Microsoft bungled their equivalents so hard.
Spacejaws
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Was sold on the consoles. Not second screen gaming however. I'm in the camp that reckons the DS or 3DS either could have been cheaper or have larger nicer screens without dual screens. Can literally think of nothing that I would ever want to replay tht requires two screens. It was simply for convenience for menus and such but rarely did I not need to stop gameplay anyway to look at the menu and most of the time you had really nice visuals up top and some garish low rez ugly menu on the bottom.
Chrono Trigger's bottom screen was a functional tragedy that I hated seeing everytime I played.
Chrono Trigger's bottom screen was a functional tragedy that I hated seeing everytime I played.
Did you even read the thread?
I think the conclusive answer to the thread question is a "no, we can't agree it was a bad idea" but it's not as one sided as a lot of people seem to think, I mean, hundreds of people agree with me, so it may be a minority opinion but it's not as if I'm alone
That said, I've not seen many examples in this thread of games that used the mechanics to great effect. Mostly it's the convenience factor, which while a plus, isn't something I think is worth the added cost to the consumer.
Then again many, many people disagree with me and that's fine, we're on a discussion board after all and I'm happy when people give me reason to question my views or allow me to see things from another perspective
I don't think we'll see a 3DS successor and I'm skeptical the concept will find new life on current systems or PC, and the Switch is looking like a fantastic system, even with only the one screen.
Boss Man
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There are some really great uses of it on the Wii U, despite the lack of overall support for the system. I don't think it is a bad idea at all, and it's unfortunate that it wasn't able to be taken advantage of more.
I'm still pretty bummed that Breath of the Wild didn't use it, as it would have been fantastic there. I'm sure they yanked it to avoid making the Wii U version more attractive than the Switch version.
I'm still pretty bummed that Breath of the Wild didn't use it, as it would have been fantastic there. I'm sure they yanked it to avoid making the Wii U version more attractive than the Switch version.
that's why the second screen was great and better than the original wiimote, it didn't come at the expense of being able to use standard controls. like you said, some games benefited from it and some didn't. that's why the option was there as, like you said, offering options is always good. look at Tropical Freeze, that game totally ignored the second screen outside of off-TV play. it's great that games like that were able to be made alongside stuff like WWHD and Mario Maker.
The Maverick
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OP is correct, there's just too many biased posters to admit it. DS was the only good implementation, everything else was hampered by either being behind the times or poorly designed. A sufficiently large screen beats two tiny ones.
Then you'd be wrong. Just like the people that blame "marketing".
This is why I think the Wii U had the best implementation of it. Stuff that couldn't be done with just a larger screen, like asymmetric multiplayer. Nintendoland, Jackbox (not Wii U but still applies), some of Wario Ware, some of Mario Party, Affordable Space Adventures, Spin the Bottle were all great experiences that wouldn't have worked anywhere near as well with just a larger screen.