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Spider-Man: Homecoming |OT| MCU's Sweet 16 - SPOILERS
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Lovely, thanks for that, that's what I thought had happened! What confused me was that we know the suit can fight without toomes in it so when he suddenly appeared in it without apparently getting in I was slightly taken aback!
Orniletter
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This was by far the most enjoyable Spider-Man film I've seen. Action was top notch, young, inexperienced Holland-Peter was superb (so much more sympathetic than dry tryhard looser Meguire-Peter) and the story was ok, Karin iand even the sidekick guy were fun.
The opening door scene was absolutely fantastic, loved how they played with your expectations aka,
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Completely outclasses everything in the og movies, absolutely true.
The opening door scene was absolutely fantastic, loved how they played with your expectations aka,
not expecting an interracial couple for Liz's parents
Completely outclasses everything in the og movies, absolutely true.
I think I missed them, where were they ?
His biggest concern was the tech, Peter was was subdued and that crash was sure to bring people. Sure, a quick razer wing to the jugular would've worked but Peter quickly became a non-factor to him.
I also think, you know, Parker's wearing his old costume. He just looks like a soft, dopey do-gooder kid in over his head. He's probably looking at him, sees the loot and thinks, "you know, fuck it, i got what i need."
My head canon, anyway.
As for vaporizing the one dude, he was an *adult* asshole thug and he wasn't even intending on vaporizing him since he thought it was the gravity gun.
Vulture was driven and pragmatic but he never came off as a sociopath.
Wanda/Wander
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I need to rewatch these. I can't wait to see the difference between watching them as a kid and watching them as an adult.
JumpJeff84
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Movie was fun, but how the hell you gonna have a movie set in 2017 with a 15 year old highschool student comparing an exciting situation to being 'like a Bon Jovi concert'?
Huh?
Huh?
Some kids you meet in high school are super weird
I wonder... Currently Peter has the benefit of Tony Stark giving him all these amazing tech-y suits. What about after Infinity War...? If Tony dies in the Infinity War, will Peter have to do his own suits from there on, when he (eventually) possibly breaks the one(s) Tony gives him? That could make for a good theme for MCU Spider-Man 2 or 3 (if there is one). Maybe in 2 he could still have a suit from Tony, but breaks it in the movie while fighting against the villain. Then in 3 Peter Parker being forced to stop relying on the help that Stark & Stark's suits gave him in his early years & the increased financial stress that maintaining his Spider-Man stuff causes as he's finishing high school & stepping into adulthood. Having to figure out his own stuff that puts him in a disadvantage in comparison to having super-tech-y suit, though at that point he's experienced enough that he has a better chance of survival without all the help that the suits bring him, but it'll still require some adjusting.
Would make a good transition into his more typical adult responsibilities in the comics. Trying to figure out where he gets all the money for all his Spider-Man thingamajings and normal life when he doesn't have Stark's safety net around anymore.
Plus, they are 15. At that point a lot of young people are kind of expanding their horizons when it comes to all things in culture, older music included. I know the likes of Nirvana, Queen, Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers & such that started before my time came into my life when I was about 13-14 in the early 2000s, some of them through older relatives. A lot of old school friends got into The Beatles at that time. I mean, if one is into music even a tiny bit, it's hard to not run into the likes of Bon Jovi, Madonna, David Bowie & such at some point or the other.
Would make a good transition into his more typical adult responsibilities in the comics. Trying to figure out where he gets all the money for all his Spider-Man thingamajings and normal life when he doesn't have Stark's safety net around anymore.
Maybe Aunt May is a super-fan and Peter & his friends haven't been spared from that?
Plus, they are 15. At that point a lot of young people are kind of expanding their horizons when it comes to all things in culture, older music included. I know the likes of Nirvana, Queen, Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers & such that started before my time came into my life when I was about 13-14 in the early 2000s, some of them through older relatives. A lot of old school friends got into The Beatles at that time. I mean, if one is into music even a tiny bit, it's hard to not run into the likes of Bon Jovi, Madonna, David Bowie & such at some point or the other.Wat.
Dude sold bombs to anyone who had the cash.
Kept doing it even though he was probably already a billionaire.
Gave no fucks about collateral casualities.
Threatened to kill innocent people.
Didn't even flinc after "accidentally" murdering his underling.
He came off as a deranged psychopath.
Would you class Tony Soprano as a psychopath? Because Vulture gave me major Tony Soprano vibes.
Macadinho94
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Not enough Donald Glover for me
Lil'DigiOp
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Spiderman saved his daughters life (also caused her danger).
The best part of this film is how Vulture is conflicted to take advantage of his situation or be better. regardless, his behavior was to better his family overall.
I don't think he had the heart to kill peter. He already dropped a building on him.... and if that didn't kill him then whateva for real....
CrichtonKicks
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So it vaguely bothered me that Peter went from "hey guys do remember that really old movie called "The Empire Strikes Back" in CW to just matter of factly geeking out over Lego Death Star.
……forgetit
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Probably trying to look cool by pretending not to be a nerd.
CrichtonKicks
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Sounds worthy of a no-prize!
I'm not sure about all the textbook definitions, but don't clinical psychopaths not really care about anyone or anything, and have a general inability to really plan or follow through on anything? I'd say Toomes is about as far from that as possible. Deranged, yes, but he genuinely cares about at least his own family and maybe those who he respects. His business prowess showed indisputable planning ability. He's basically just a much more unethical than average weapons dealer.
Finally saw this earlier this week and I loved it. I can't decide whether I'd place it atop Spider-Man 2, but it's definitely superior to the Amazing series.
Did anyone else see that ending coming the moment the camera started panning around Peter in his costume before the door frame even came into the frame? Have they said if they're just going to go with her knowing or if he's going to somehow convince her that it isn't what she thinks it is (or that he was just looking at porn)?
hipsterpants
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Just got back. Solid 3/5 movie.
I love the Raimi movies, but I feel like Homecoming really, really got to the core, to the very root of Spiderman in a way they never managed.
A core part of a sociopath's pathology is that they can completely change personality on the turn of a dime. They often have a wide assortment of 'personalities' they can conjure or drop at any moment. One minute they can act a perfect loving parent then turn into a literal, violent sadist the next.
That said, I don't think Vulture was a sociopath (or psychopath as you want to say). IRL plenty of criminals live double lives where they fuck over hundreds or thousands of innocents then walk in their front door and become a loving, benevolent parent. This literally happens. I guess these people are likely sociopaths, but hey.
What's more, Vulture is absolutely played as having SOME kind of moral compass:
- he decides to save Peter at the end
- he didn't kill original Shocker intentionally - it was an accident - and while he didn't really flinch, he was probably pretty hardened to violence at that point
- he doesn't actually kill anyone else in the movie. His threats could easily be empty - just like his threats to Peter turned out to be posturing
So I saw this.
Enjoyable movie, despite MJ Mac Edgy, that I hated beyond belief, but it felt more like a pop corn flick than anything else. Jokes and spectacle. The writing was a bit corny at times, which brought down the movie a bit, but it was good.
Certainly not on the level of Spiderman 2, which is a classic for me (score, scenes, performances).
It was probably a more faithful depiction of Spiderman though. I wasn't completely engrossed by the movie, maybe it's because I'm older and I find the teenage high school stuff less interesting.
Enjoyable movie, despite MJ Mac Edgy, that I hated beyond belief, but it felt more like a pop corn flick than anything else. Jokes and spectacle. The writing was a bit corny at times, which brought down the movie a bit, but it was good.
Certainly not on the level of Spiderman 2, which is a classic for me (score, scenes, performances).
It was probably a more faithful depiction of Spiderman though. I wasn't completely engrossed by the movie, maybe it's because I'm older and I find the teenage high school stuff less interesting.
Which is it?
He shoots his rayguns and sinks a ship full of people, without a miraculous rescue by Iron Man all those people would be dead. He might as well killed them all. And there's plenty of moments like that in the movie where he throws a car or something and without spidey rescuing the people, they would have died... actually now that I remember he did kill one underling this way when a car pushed him into the water.
Those statements don't contradict each other. I said "i GUESS they are LIKELY sociopaths" when talking about organised criminals generally, not necessarily Vulture. My statement 'I don't think Vulture is a sociopath' isn't contradicted.
Nope. He doesn't sink the ship. Again, it's Peter that causes this accident.
Peter damages Vulture's suit, tearing off the armed alien core (aka bomb), and then Vulture notices it lying on the deck and draws Peter's attention to it. Peter fails to contain it and it cuts the ship in half - again, it was an accident. Vulture hovers there shaking his head at Peter's idiocy and just lets Peter fuck it up. He waxes lyrical before leaving, still trying to teach Pete a lesson.
(Edit: now i think about it, not sure the core is from Vulture's suit, but from one of Vulture's goons. Still, point stands.)
That said, you're correct that this is his most hardcore villain scene. He definitely goes on the attack and does sacrifice that goon, as well as attacking the FBI agents. This scene is his last-ditch attempt to take out the Spider-man before he continues sabotaging Vulture's operation. Which links back to him trying to protect his organisation (aka protect his family by proxy).
Pai Pai Master
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It was Vulture's gun, Spidey pulls it away from him while it's still firing and covers it with webbing which is what caused the reaction that ripped the ferry in half.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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So I watched it a second time.
Man, what a great movie.
The scene when Peter is under th rubble is fucking rough man. Holland is a great actor.
Also when pete finds out toomes is liz's dad till the gun is pulled at the dance is sooo good!
Man, what a great movie.
The scene when Peter is under th rubble is fucking rough man. Holland is a great actor.
Also when pete finds out toomes is liz's dad till the gun is pulled at the dance is sooo good!
I don't know who wrote this, but they wrote the shit out of this movie.
Genius how they tied it into the established universe.
Hats off to the writer. One of the few superhero movies where I left thinking 'How the hell did someone manage to pull that off'. It's like the writing equivalent of a stunning painting.
And the Vulture... this is the Vulture to me now. A small-time businessman, scavenging superhero battlegrounds, picking the bones of defeated aliens and robots. A genius reinterpretation of the character.
Genius how they tied it into the established universe.
Hats off to the writer. One of the few superhero movies where I left thinking 'How the hell did someone manage to pull that off'. It's like the writing equivalent of a stunning painting.
And the Vulture... this is the Vulture to me now. A small-time businessman, scavenging superhero battlegrounds, picking the bones of defeated aliens and robots. A genius reinterpretation of the character.
Raitosaito
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Before I went into this film I looked up the credits, and there's 6 screenwriters on this thing. Crazy how it had a pretty coherent feel to the whole thing with all the hands on it.
Ha, somehow that didn't click with me until just now.
Jack Random
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er, so every weapons manufacturer or gun runner on earth is now a "deranged psychopath?"
The Artisan
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okay so no spoiler tags needed anymore right? just got back from a showing of this and i thought it was pretty good:
from the get go ever since tom holland was cast, to seeing him in cap3, to this movie, i just can't be part of the bandwagon believing that he's the best spiderman/peter parker or the best choice. there's just too many things that don't sit well with me; yeah i know he's young, sounds young, looks young, but he's not as young as his character; in hollywood that doesn't matter but i also think hollywood has been casting 20~ year olds as teenagers for so long that they forgot what actual teenagers look like. and it doesn't help that the actor's age becomes more conspicuous when there are extras walking around that look much, much younger who actually are the right age.
also, if they're trying to go "harry potter" with the new spiderman they already messed up.for them to do "harry potter", they'd have to do a wide casting call from actual 14-15 year olds, from queens NY. they didn't do either, they picked a young character who looks the part enough and had acting chops before, and 4 years older than the character. that's still an age range that kids change fast. if the argument then becomes "exactly. kids grow unpredictably so they didn't want to cast a 14 year and him growing too tall would make him unfit for our vision" - well then just don't do a high school peter. just do a college aged peter because the young, vulnerable superhero trope still fits there. but whatever.
as for the rest of the cast; marisa tomei while an incredible actress just didn't seem right for the role to me. her age was an added gag they started with cap3 and continued with this movie and the whole "peter parker is much younger here so so is she" doesn't mean anything to me because i've seen takes of a spiderman in the early years of high school with a still elderly looking aunt may. joan allen would've definitely looked and played the character better. there wasn't much exposition with her either and maybe because i've never really been that close to my dad as I was to my mom that I was hoping to see more out of their relationship. this is what i enjoyed the most out of the amazing spiderman movies.
onto ned leeds, this guy doesn't look like a high school freshman or a sophomore to me and as for the character I thought he was funny but i'm not sure why they took away harry osborn as peter's best friend. it's kinda the same role they play.
flash thompson...this character along with the "
" was reinvented; i'll get to MJ later but i wasn't a fan of this interpretation of the character. aside from peter parker, it really does look like all of the supporting cast was reinvented for this spiderman story, and that's fine if that's the vision that they had, but i'm not a fan of how they handled flash. i don't mind the casting, but i mind the characterization. this guy is supposed to be on some academic decathlon but he is also a DJ calling peter penis parker was all some weird shit. i'd rather they just made an original character to be a rival to peter, instead of making flash an academic rival to peter as opposed to the jock.
umm...the vulture i thought was pretty cool. i'm not too familiar with the character so although some of his arc wasn't all that convincing and others have said spiderman didn't really "beat" him i thought he was a good enough villain for a first film in another reboot. i thought the twist at the end with him and Liz was kinda cool, I didn't see it coming and what not but I don't think it was completely necessary to have done it that way but whatever the movie went on.
saving the best thoughts for last...michelle! probably my favorite character and favorite parts of the movies. when i was watching her in the trailers i thought she was just gonna be annoying but i think she stole pretty much every scene she was in. i hope we get to see more of this character in the future. the ONE thing that bothers me about this character, just appearance wise if the "
" is more than just a reminder, is the fact that she didn't have red hair. unless of course her story will develop just like peter's and her character goes through arcs which eventually get her to decide to dye her hair red then it's all good.
overall...back before 2015 I just wanted to finally hear sony shaking disney's hands over spiderman. i thought i would be way more excited to see a spiderman film finally set in the MCU but I think this movie has been a mental note to me that comic book movies in general just doesn't hype me up like it used to. i have too many high expectations for this shit. but it doesn't matter what I think coz these movies will continue to break records and make billions of dollars.
from the get go ever since tom holland was cast, to seeing him in cap3, to this movie, i just can't be part of the bandwagon believing that he's the best spiderman/peter parker or the best choice. there's just too many things that don't sit well with me; yeah i know he's young, sounds young, looks young, but he's not as young as his character; in hollywood that doesn't matter but i also think hollywood has been casting 20~ year olds as teenagers for so long that they forgot what actual teenagers look like. and it doesn't help that the actor's age becomes more conspicuous when there are extras walking around that look much, much younger who actually are the right age.
also, if they're trying to go "harry potter" with the new spiderman they already messed up.for them to do "harry potter", they'd have to do a wide casting call from actual 14-15 year olds, from queens NY. they didn't do either, they picked a young character who looks the part enough and had acting chops before, and 4 years older than the character. that's still an age range that kids change fast. if the argument then becomes "exactly. kids grow unpredictably so they didn't want to cast a 14 year and him growing too tall would make him unfit for our vision" - well then just don't do a high school peter. just do a college aged peter because the young, vulnerable superhero trope still fits there. but whatever.
as for the rest of the cast; marisa tomei while an incredible actress just didn't seem right for the role to me. her age was an added gag they started with cap3 and continued with this movie and the whole "peter parker is much younger here so so is she" doesn't mean anything to me because i've seen takes of a spiderman in the early years of high school with a still elderly looking aunt may. joan allen would've definitely looked and played the character better. there wasn't much exposition with her either and maybe because i've never really been that close to my dad as I was to my mom that I was hoping to see more out of their relationship. this is what i enjoyed the most out of the amazing spiderman movies.
onto ned leeds, this guy doesn't look like a high school freshman or a sophomore to me and as for the character I thought he was funny but i'm not sure why they took away harry osborn as peter's best friend. it's kinda the same role they play.
flash thompson...this character along with the "
MJ
umm...the vulture i thought was pretty cool. i'm not too familiar with the character so although some of his arc wasn't all that convincing and others have said spiderman didn't really "beat" him i thought he was a good enough villain for a first film in another reboot. i thought the twist at the end with him and Liz was kinda cool, I didn't see it coming and what not but I don't think it was completely necessary to have done it that way but whatever the movie went on.
saving the best thoughts for last...michelle! probably my favorite character and favorite parts of the movies. when i was watching her in the trailers i thought she was just gonna be annoying but i think she stole pretty much every scene she was in. i hope we get to see more of this character in the future. the ONE thing that bothers me about this character, just appearance wise if the "
MJ
overall...back before 2015 I just wanted to finally hear sony shaking disney's hands over spiderman. i thought i would be way more excited to see a spiderman film finally set in the MCU but I think this movie has been a mental note to me that comic book movies in general just doesn't hype me up like it used to. i have too many high expectations for this shit. but it doesn't matter what I think coz these movies will continue to break records and make billions of dollars.
MiguelMexMIstery
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They were never needed here
The Artisan
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They were never needed here
oh. i thought when this thread started everything had to be tagged
jellies_two
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Loved Michael Keaton, the scene in the car, or scenes with his crew were great. He wasn't in any rush unlike everyone else in the movie.
Disliked the super obvious product placement.
Disliked the super suit that did everything, iron man style. it's really too much. Getting sick of talking AIs as well banter there is too formulaic.
I heard the audience barely laugh which seemed like a missed opportunity. They include ferris bueller - which is the lightness they should aim for - but don't deliver anything like the laughs. Having Peter bash into scenery over and over isn't a joke.
Disliked the super obvious product placement.
Disliked the super suit that did everything, iron man style. it's really too much. Getting sick of talking AIs as well banter there is too formulaic.
I heard the audience barely laugh which seemed like a missed opportunity. They include ferris bueller - which is the lightness they should aim for - but don't deliver anything like the laughs. Having Peter bash into scenery over and over isn't a joke.
The Artisan
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eh, I think this movie is a good time if you bring your girlfriend/a friend. I went alone and I think it was worth watching.
there may be other villains who are bigger threats to their respective heroes and their respective universes but vulture was easily the most imposing looking mcu villain that i've seen. great looking design.
The Artisan
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and they kept him alive for....
also i love that they got nacho from better call saul as a villain
sinister 6?
also i love that they got nacho from better call saul as a villain