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[Kinsei]

They made an announcement of an announcement for that? Wow.

 

[rulerk1]

the decapre of Pokemon

 

[LotusHD]

Usually I ignore anyone calling a Pokemon design lazy, or that Pokemon designs are getting stale because their selected examples are generally lacking, but damn, this new Lycanroc design sure makes a strong case...

Actually everything from US/UM so far gives that impression.

 

[MaximumSpider]

A fucking recolor?

 

[SenorArdilla]

It's just orange Midday-form with Midnight-form's pompadour.

 

[Forkball]

Dawn Lycanroc confirmed:

 

[KtSlime]

It's a special evolution done at dusk, I bet most people who play Pokemon don't even know the word dusk. Can't imagine they would put in a whole bunch of effort for an evolution at a time of day no one even knows. The segment today probably exists so children could learn the word 'tasogare' today on pokenchi.

People should learn to keep their expectations in check, it's a few second clip on a Sunday morning cartoons variety show. If you got overhyped, that's on you.

 

[Tyraniboah]

I think gamefreak needs a major shake up. New creative leadership, bigger teams and a bigger budget. The series has just been going down the drain since XY. Bw2 were the last good games. I don't think they transitioned well to the 3ds era and now I'm worried about the switch era.

The hyperbole here is ridiculous. This is a single form of a Pokemon that doesn't headline either game, announced on a show where they don't do big announcements. Sun and Moon were received pretty positively overall. You can call gen 6 disappointing if you want, but that sentiment seems more prominent on GAF than anywhere else. We don't even know anything about USUM yet. Why don't we wait and see how it shapes up? It could end up with the best post game content in the series and a healthy mix of gyms and trials for all we know.

Everybody needs to calm down. At least wait for some Directs or the *actual* release before dogging USUM. All this over fucking Lycanroc. FFS

 

[Boss Doggie]

It's a special evolution done at dusk, I bet most people who play Pokemon don't even know the word dusk. Can't imagine they would put in a whole bunch of effort for an evolution at a time of day no one even knows. The segment today probably exists so children could learn the word 'tasogare' today on pokenchi.

People should learn to keep their expectations in check, it's a few second clip on a Sunday morning cartoons variety show. If you got overhyped, that's on you.

I knew what to expect but I got disappointed.

 

[Lucky Seven]

Boooooring

 

[Keinning]

You can call gen 6 disappointing if you want, but that sentiment seems more prominent on GAF than anywhere else.

i'll admit that i'm not in every pokemon community out there, but in the ones i'm in, gen 6 is easily considered the worst. it's far from being a "gaf thing". so much that i agree with you on your point that Sun/Moon got better reception - but gen 6 is still pretty despised pretty much everywhere else.

 

[Forkball]

It's a special evolution done at dusk, I bet most people who play Pokemon don't even know the word dusk. Can't imagine they would put in a whole bunch of effort for an evolution at a time of day no one even knows. The segment today probably exists so children could learn the word 'tasogare' today on pokenchi.

People should learn to keep their expectations in check, it's a few second clip on a Sunday morning cartoons variety show. If you got overhyped, that's on you.

This was actually more info than I expected. Didn't Masuda show up one time and just replayed the old trailer everyone already saw? Pokenchi is not the place for announcements, look towards Corocoro or the website updates.

I honestly don't think we will get any big updates until September anyways. Even last year when Sun and Moon came out, we didn't get notable website updates until about August.

 

[KtSlime]

This was actually more info than I expected. Didn't Masuda show up one time and just replayed the old trailer everyone already saw? Pokenchi is not the place for announcements, look towards Corocoro or the website updates.

I honestly don't think we will get any big updates until September anyways. Even last year when Sun and Moon came out, we didn't get notable website updates until about August.

It's hard to do updates right now, the Switch/Splatoon 2/DQ11/Obon hype are in full swing, anything done right now is just fighting for attention, September makes the most sense as Pokemon will have the stage to itself.

 

[Boss Doggie]

well at least this is funny

i'll admit that i'm not in every pokemon community out there, but in the ones i'm in, gen 6 is easily considered the worst. it's far from being a "gaf thing". so much that i agree with you on your point that Sun/Moon got better reception - but gen 6 is still pretty despised pretty much everywhere else.

Ehh must be those "non-Pokemon fan" places or is it something like serebii forums?

EDIT: why is US/English calling it Dusk form when all the other languages call it Twilight form

 

[Kirlia]

It's a special evolution done at dusk, I bet most people who play Pokemon don't even know the word dusk. Can't imagine they would put in a whole bunch of effort for an evolution at a time of day no one even knows. The segment today probably exists so children could learn the word 'tasogare' today on pokenchi.

People should learn to keep their expectations in check, it's a few second clip on a Sunday morning cartoons variety show. If you got overhyped, that's on you.

I was barely aware of this announcement and expected very little, and I'm still disappointed. Hope we get more info soon; the lack of it is kind of concerning.

 

[LotusHD]

i'll admit that i'm not in every pokemon community out there, but in the ones i'm in, gen 6 is easily considered the worst. it's far from being a "gaf thing". so much that i agree with you on your point that Sun/Moon got better reception - but gen 6 is still pretty despised pretty much everywhere else.

Gen 6 being the worst in terms of the games? Oh yea, definitely.

 

[Atheerios]

EDIT: why is US/English calling it Dusk form when all the other languages call it Twilight form

"Twilight":
1. the soft, diffused light from the sky when the sun is below the horizon, either from daybreak to sunrise or, more commonly, from sunset to nightfall.
2. the period in the morning or, more commonly, in the evening during which this light prevails.

"Dusk":
1. the state or period of partial darkness between day and night; the dark part of twilight.

That is, twilight occurs in the morning and at night, but is usually used only to describe the one at night; the morning twilight is usually called "dawn." Dusk is part of twilight (say, the second half or so of the twilight period?) and occurs only at night.


Dusk is the correct term.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Dawn Lycanroc confirmed:

lol

 

[Galang]

It looks the same... so far the new info for this game has been boring. They're being even more secretive than normal... They could have given us like 3 more forms to tide us over

 

[Reset]

Why would they erase the best gen

Best gen? The gen with the worst pokemon designs and introduced some terrible broken stuff which ruined half of the game/series. How is that the best gen?!

That's is the opposite of general perception. Outside of Pokémon design. Gen V is considered to have the best story, as well as post game besides Johto, Hoenn(Emerald), and Sinnoh.

Best post game excluding three other generations... ok.

 

[sonto340]

It looks the same... so far the new info for this game has been boring. They're being even more secretive than normal... They could have given us like 3 more forms to tide us over

In starting to worry it’s because there’s not much to reveal.
We don’t even know what the fuck these games are yet. Are the sequels? Third versions split into two games? Enhanced remakes? Alternate storyline? What the fuck even are Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

 

[Gin-Shiio]

It's supposed to be inbetween those two forms. There isn't really a whole lot they could have done with the concept. I'd even say the execution is good given the task, just the concept itself rather lame to begin with.

 

[Glitchesarecool]

oh look it's fucking nothing

In starting to worry it's because there's not much to reveal.
We don't even know what the fuck these games are yet. Are the sequels? Third versions split into two games? Enhanced remakes? Alternate storyline? What the fuck even are Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

They're alternative versions of Sun and Moon, like B2W2 but not sequels. Same setting, different situations.

 

[Sealtest]

So.. What are the odds of them increasing the PC size mid-generation? Because I'm running out of room with my complete dex, all Vivillon patterns, All Minior colors and a bunch of the event pokemon.

 

[LycanXIII]

So is there going to be a Dawn form too, which is the reverse?

 

[OMG Aero]

I had to do compare it side-by-side with the Midday form just to figure out the differences. They didn't even try with this one.

When I saw the screenshot on Serebii before I read the news text I thought it was just an announcement of a distribution of a shiny day form Lycanroc.

 

[sonto340]

So.. What are the odds of them increasing the PC size mid-generation? Because I'm running out of room with my complete dex, all Vivillon patterns, All Minior colors and a bunch of the event pokemon.

Considering they charge $5 for More storage: 0%

 

[Hydrus]

The hyperbole here is ridiculous. This is a single form of a Pokemon that doesn't headline either game, announced on a show where they don't do big announcements. Sun and Moon were received pretty positively overall. You can call gen 6 disappointing if you want, but that sentiment seems more prominent on GAF than anywhere else. We don't even know anything about USUM yet. Why don't we wait and see how it shapes up? It could end up with the best post game content in the series and a healthy mix of gyms and trials for all we know.

Everybody needs to calm down. At least wait for some Directs or the *actual* release before dogging USUM. All this over fucking Lycanroc. FFS

But what I said is the truth. Nearly everything coming out of Gamefreak has been lazy since XY:

XY has been considered by many as the worst gen and worst games in the series. It wasn't a good set of games for the mainlines debut on the 3DS hardware. Even GF quickly moved on from it and wanted to forget about it.

ORAS seemed like half-assed remakes and added very little of anything new to Gen 3. They didn't even include the battle frontier.

SM, while better then the two previous two sets of games, was disappointing. No post game, performance issues, linear, pointless cut-scenes, hand holding, very little challenge, small region, bad story, etc...

We've seen very little of USUM, but everything we have seen, screams " Milking the 3DS user base one more time!". There has just been a lot of issues with GF the last 4-5 years. And now with development moving to switch, they are gonna have to put some more money and effort into this series.

 

[Macka]

That's is the opposite of general perception. Outside of Pokémon design. Gen V is considered to have the best story, as well as post game besides Johto, Hoenn(Emerald), and Sinnoh.

Gen V isn't particularly popular outside of GAF. For good reason.

Praising Gen V for having the best story doesn't mean much. None of the Pokemon stories are good. All of them have utterly vapid dialogue, and I'd honestly take X&Y's non-story over Black & White's constant interruptions to gameplay with its PETA narrative.

Gen V also has the second worst batch of new Pokemon designs in the series after Sun & Moon. It has the second worst region in the series, again after Sun & Moon. Unova lacks colour, has immemorable locales and the path you take through it is boringly linear. I remember being excited to get to Castelia pre-release, but when I did I realized it was just a big empty hub with nothing to do in it. Lumiose City is fantastic in comparison.

 

[AlexFlame116]

I'll be honest again....I really want another remake of G/S. Or a remake/remaster of HG/SS.

I'm sorry! I just love that region and game so much!

But it won't happen anytime soon.

 

[Gin-Shiio]

It's funny how that works. Personally, I would argue SM has the best story of any Pokemon game yet, and an incredible amount of memorable new Pokemon.

 

[Licas1355]

But what I said is the truth. Nearly everything coming out of Gamefreak has been lazy since XY:

XY has been considered by many as the worst gen and worst games in the series. It wasn't a good set of games for the mainlines debut on the 3DS hardware. Even GF quickly moved on from it and wanted to forget about it.

ORAS seemed like half-assed remakes and added very little of anything new to Gen 3. They didn't even include the battle frontier.

SM, while better then the two previous two sets of games, was disappointing. No post game, performance issues, linear, pointless cut-scenes, hand holding, very little challenge, small region, bad story, etc...

We've seen very little of USUM, but everything we have seen, screams " Milking the 3DS user base one more time!". There has just been a lot of issues with GF the last 4-5 years. And now with development moving to switch, they are gonna have to put some more money and effort into this series.

I'm trying not to jump into conclusions but since the XY era I get this strong feeling that GF lost the ambition to make a truly groundbreaking Pokemon game.

I kinda expect Switch Pokemon to be a tiny step up and fans will still go crazy and praise them no matter the result.

 

[AlexFlame116]

It's funny how that works. Personally, I would argue SM has the best story of any Pokemon game yet, and an incredible amount of memorable new Pokemon.

Sun and Moon are my second favorite mainline games. Third if we count the remakes as separate from the originals.

I love the game to death.

 

[LotusHD]

Gen V isn't particularly popular outside of GAF. For good reason.

Praising Gen V for having the best story doesn't mean much. None of the Pokemon stories are good. All of them have utterly vapid dialogue, and I'd honestly take X&Y's non-story over Black & White's constant interruptions to gameplay with its PETA narrative.

Gen V also has the second worst batch of new Pokemon designs in the series after Sun & Moon. It has the second worst region in the series, again after Sun & Moon. Unova lacks colour, has immemorable locales and the path you take through it is boringly linear. I remember being excited to get to Castelia pre-release, but when I did I realized it was just a big empty hub with nothing to do in it. Lumiose City is fantastic in comparison.

Lol what

 

[Macka]

Lol what

Sun & Moon are the worst Pokemon games in the series.

Worst new Pokemon.
Worst region that's extremely small and has the same few Pokemon everywhere.
Awfully linear progression through the region.
God-awful story that is pushed so hard and holds your hand for a good 60% of the adventure, and even after then is around every corner.
Regression of XY in so many areas. Going from the PSS to the Festival Plaza is a joke. Ease of breeding in comparison to Gen VI is a joke. Trainer Customisation is worse in SM than in XY.

I could go on.

 

[AlexFlame116]

Sun & Moon are the worst Pokemon games in the series.

Worst new Pokemon.
Worst region that's extremely small and has the same few Pokemon everywhere.
Awfully linear progression through the region.
God-awful story that is pushed so hard and holds your hand for a good 60% of the adventure, and even after then is around every corner.
Regression of XY in so many areas. Going from the PSS to the Festival Plaza is a joke. Ease of breeding in comparison to Gen VI is a joke. Trainer Customisation is worse in SM than in XY.

I could go on.

Bah.

 

[The Last One]

Damn, Sun & Moon are my favorite versions. The region is amazing, the trials is a fresh new way to approach the progression (needs improvement but it's a start), the villains are amazing I was really glad how the story turned out.

 

[Hydrus]

Damn, Sun & Moon are my favorite versions. The region is amazing, the trials is a fresh new way to approach the progression (needs improvement but it's a start), the villains are amazing I was really glad how the story turned out.

Trials were terrible. No challenge at all. Felt like a huge back step. " Beat the same pokemon three times, then fight the evolved form" was lame.

 

[AlexFlame116]

Apparently you're not allowed to say that Sun and Moon was a good game for you without someone telling you why your opinion is wrong.

 

[aadiboy]

So we still don't know if these are third versions of S/M or sequels, right?

 

[Giga Man]

The region is amazing, the trials is a fresh new way to approach the progression (needs improvement but it's a start), the villains are amazing I was really glad how the story turned out.

I was too... except for the part where

Spoiler

Lusamine fused with Nihilego and you fought her Pokemon instead of her who literally became a Pokemon. After all the new and fresh concepts and twists of the Pokemon formula, this was the biggest misstep and a major downer.

 

[Macka]

Apparently you're not allowed to say that Sun and Moon was a good game for you without someone telling you why your opinion is wrong.

You're allowed to say that Sun & Moon was a good game, but other people are allowed to disagree and give their reasons why.

 

[AlexFlame116]

So we still don't know if these are third versions of S/M or sequels, right?

No but it's very very likely that it's simply a third version of the game.

You're allowed to say that Sun & Moon was a good game, but other people are allowed to disagree and give their reasons why.

I understand that. Then let me say my opinion of the game without having someone tell me it's bad when I didn't do the same for everyone and their B/W.

 

[RavageDark]

But what I said is the truth. Nearly everything coming out of Gamefreak has been lazy since XY:

XY has been considered by many as the worst gen and worst games in the series. It wasn't a good set of games for the mainlines debut on the 3DS hardware. Even GF quickly moved on from it and wanted to forget about it.

ORAS seemed like half-assed remakes and added very little of anything new to Gen 3. They didn't even include the battle frontier.

SM, while better then the two previous two sets of games, was disappointing. No post game, performance issues, linear, pointless cut-scenes, hand holding, very little challenge, small region, bad story, etc...

We've seen very little of USUM, but everything we have seen, screams " Milking the 3DS user base one more time!". There has just been a lot of issues with GF the last 4-5 years. And now with development moving to switch, they are gonna have to put some more money and effort into this series.

Half of what you said isn't truth - it's opinion. You're entitled to it, but not everybody feels that way.

 

[WonderRade]

at this point all I really want to shoot for is a game that transitions into a meaty and engaging post-game

for all the good or bad they might accomplish i think all those feelings either evaporate or exacerbate once you find there is so little to do once you get to the end

 

[Toxi]

Christ, that form is pathetic.

 

[Macka]

I understand that. Then let me say my opinion of the game without having someone tell me it's bad when I didn't do the same for everyone and their B/W.

Nobody in this thread has even quoted you and attacked Sun & Moon. Every post that's critical of Sun & Moon seem completely independent of yours.

If anything, you're the one going out of your way to quote anyone that has something negative to say about them and voicing your disagreement.

 

[GuitarGuruu]

The design is really growing on me, the anime art really helps with that. Can't wait to see what else we get.

 

[Toxi]

Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are ultra boring so far.

 

[Keyouta]

I was too... except for the part where

Spoiler

Lusamine fused with Nihilego and you fought her Pokemon instead of her who literally became a Pokemon. After all the new and fresh concepts and twists of the Pokemon formula, this was the biggest misstep and a major downer.

Spoiler

Yeah I really expected to fight her fused form. It was very disappointing when that didn't happen.