I presume they'd basically have to grow up with it to get that effect.
Also this.
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I presume they'd basically have to grow up with it to get that effect.
Also this.
Well you're forgetting one key difference between other redistributive policies and the ACA: they weren't passed by a black man. So the answer is probably never.
Fenderputty
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Good point.
Fenderputty
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So it would seem the success of progressive legislation depends on how long it can survive the initial attack, and whether the program is something everyone realizes they're being helped by.
That's not very comforting lol
That's not very comforting lol
They're not wrong. The more you damage and trash the existing system, the easier it is to do single-payer in its wake.
That whole "massive damage and trash" thing is the entire reason many of us don't want to attempt to directly move to single-payer!
Isnt that part of the reason why Kennedy in the House introduced and amendment to forbid funds to be used for single payer
Makes sense I guess. If this takes us back, a Democratic congress will be more likely to want to pass something more extreme compared to what we had previously while Obamacare makes it easier to keep to the status quo.
StopMakingSense
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No they are worried it's so trash people will demand single payer.
Oh right right
They're not wrong, but they'll still be the biggest obstacle to making it happen.
That'll be the next way they try to prevent it from happening for sure. Remember, "states rights come first, except when it's something we don't like." Not dissimilar to preventing cities from enacting liberal policies.
That said, as mentioned above people don't realize ACA also benefited them indirectly in terms of minimum coverage, preventative care, profit/spend ratios for companies and so forth. They think it's some specific plan on the exchange, one they don't have, not realizing all the minute changes that go into the ACA as a whole.
NYCmetsfan
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Material benefits.
Never having to pay for a medical expense.
Obamacare as you point out was hidden. Not seeing increases or having more protections is a lot different than going to the doctor and not paying a dime.
Problem is, for a lot of Americans, health insurance is kind of an invisible thing. They get it through work and don't think too hard about the real costs because they're shielded from them.
Until they change jobs or get fired/position is eliminated. Stupid fucks.
I mean...there's also this.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/...affordable-care-act-are-the-same.html?mcubz=3
Yes Id be referring to these people specifically. How dumb can you be.
LOL he'one confused individual.
So we get richer, healthier white supremacists.
Why does that make them vote Democratic?
Deuce Deuce
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Nothing to see here!
Nazgul_Hunter
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And that's why the reports said it was "unclear" if there was collusion or whatever. Manafort is smart enough to call it a 'private briefing' and do it offline; but dumb enough not to realize the power of circumstantial evidence.
The Technomancer
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How the fuck is anyone this stupid about an illegal conspiracy
nature boy
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Not weapons-grade oppoium, but I'll take it
timetokill
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He was just shitting on Rand Paul I thought for being an obstacle or whatever
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Someone needs to edit that Wire gif with "email" over "taking notes"
I take that back, just seen the tweets.
Manafort has got to be the dumbest bastard on the face of the Earth...
Phoenix RISING
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Thought we were done with a blatant racism but folks in the 21st century have to punch Nazis in the face.
Perhaps this is white supremacy last hurrah for a generation?
On the other hand, abortion is eternally in peril, as long as Christians exist and vote.
Any choice snippets? I've got no more free views for the month
Edit: Nevermind, just saw the thread in OT and it's got some
Deuce Deuce
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Any choice snippets? I've got no more free views for the month
Edit: Nevermind, just saw the thread in OT and it's got some
Fwiw, private mode on my phone lets me get around that. I think Incognito mode on Chrome does as well.
Remember, Manafort spent the last decade or so working exclusively in former Soviet republics.
His tradecraft is probably not that hot.
I mean, he used to be able to kill anyone who would even think about releasing an article like this. That's not a good breeding ground for stealth.
SatelliteOfLove
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Manafort's
week
in picture form:
It's got Deripaska's name in there though, another shady mofo we ain't heard that much of in news for a while.
I wonder if there was a reason for that...
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It's got Deripaska's name in there though, another shady mofo we ain't heard that much of in news for a while.
I wonder if there was a reason for that...
Greigor The Fellhand
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Remember when I said earlier this week I thought we were over due for Oppo droppos?
Certainly laying downt he narrative that the GoP conspired with Trump and Russia, once manafort got the thumbs up from russia, the GoP altered there platform on ukrain russia at the RNC days later.
Certainly laying downt he narrative that the GoP conspired with Trump and Russia, once manafort got the thumbs up from russia, the GoP altered there platform on ukrain russia at the RNC days later.
Maybe he didnt care. He took one for the team?
Manafort'sweeklastin picture form:of freedom
It's got Deripaska's name in there though, another shady mofo.
I wonder if there was a reason for that...
No one's going to jail until they can nail Trump to the wall. Reportedly Mueller's treating this like a mob investigation, so when the arrest warrants start getting handed out they'll grab everyone all at once.
It certainly fits the timeline to a T. I imagine Mueller's already got proof of this or he's looking to squeeze it out of Manafort. We'll see in the coming days I guess.
Greigor The Fellhand
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NO, these are but dribbles of the whole.
remember the swoop De whoops.
my guess they have the read out of one of the meetings saved for friday
VendettaRed07
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He's a real moron. He tanked his approval ratings for some extra cheers at a rally. There's no reason he couldn't have gone to it and spoke for a minute and talked about working with Trump without switching parties.
Brawndo Addict
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If the illegal activity you're going to engage in would never normally be investigated, let alone prosecuted, why would you care? People only cover their tracks if they're worried about being caught, and being caught implies someone is trying to catch you. Without Trump winning the election, firing Comey, and Mueller getting appointed, I don't know that any of this would have ever seen the light of day.
You see the same kind of thing play out in corporate/financial fraud all the time; just look at the leadup and fallout of the '08 financial crisis. It was a secret to everybody and nobody cared.
Mgoblue201
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This is an underrated aspect of the healthcare debate and why I'm surprised more insurance companies aren't fighting harder against it. Perhaps that's because the argument is a little abstract, but it seems obvious to me that by creating a more dysfunctional healthcare system the Republicans would pave the way for a more radical solution. Not only would it become the central issue of the 2018 and 2020 elections (besides the unpopularity of Trump himself), but the Democrats could reasonably argue that the strategy of wooing the insurance industry is inadequate to the task.
Greigor The Fellhand
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okay, to everyone calling manafort stupid.
Manafort is not unlike slater.
at the end of the day they know they need to look out for themselves, so they will have evidence they save as an attempt to buy there freedom when the feds come.
it's worked for them in the past, but this time its not going to save them.
Manafort is not unlike slater.
at the end of the day they know they need to look out for themselves, so they will have evidence they save as an attempt to buy there freedom when the feds come.
it's worked for them in the past, but this time its not going to save them.
I only vaguely remember this episode of Saved by the Bell.
You have to remember, normally working with Russia means you can get your opponents and detractors permanently silenced, now working with Trump and Russian from the US election side is different. And probably not his usual work.
RustyNails
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How does GC pave the way for singlepayer? States take block grants, turn it into single payer fund?
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