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PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
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VendettaRed07
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Who cares what the fake news network says
nature boy
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Cillizza hot take
Murkowski and Paul are lying?
Randolph Freelander
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Paul is surely lying.
Have Murkowski and, for that matter, Collins confirmed they will be voting against this?
Have Murkowski and, for that matter, Collins confirmed they will be voting against this?
Mark Andrew
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CNN has to say that because, technically, Collins and Murkowski are undecided. Does anyone see a scenario where McCain votes no and they both vote yes? Rand is also not going to change since its assumed dead.
Cilizza said they have a chance of getting some Democratic votes in the next week, which, okay.
Cilizza said they have a chance of getting some Democratic votes in the next week, which, okay.
correct. McCain goes next year, special would be in November 2018 to finish the term ending in 2022. McCain goes in 2019 or 2020, special is set for November 2020 to finish the term ending in 2022.
VendettaRed07
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Not as definitely as McCain
No reason to trust Paul, he's got a history of talking one way and voting another.
CrimzonSamurai
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I read Cilizza's book several years ago when I first really started following politics, and I recall it being pretty good as a basic introduction to the functions of a two-party system.
Now that I know he probably has to remind himself to breathe every few minutes I might go back and see if it was actually shit and I didn't know any better.
Now that I know he probably has to remind himself to breathe every few minutes I might go back and see if it was actually shit and I didn't know any better.
balladofwindfishes
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Murkowski and Collins have no reason to vote for this.
Basileus777
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With McCain having already killed this bill there's a good chance Paul sticks with his no.
Collins and Murkowski need to make statements too
VendettaRed07
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It's worth noting he really didn't last time
It might seem the same to us but the skinny repeal was completely different. The graham bill was basically the same as the Ryancare that the FC revolted against. The skinny repeal was at least actually a repeal (to them)
Randolph Freelander
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Paul would definitely not be the third no. If Collins or Murkowski flip, which I'd lean towards not happening, but if it did, Paul would be a yes. He's not going to actually stand in the way of a repeal.
If Collins and Murkowski join McCain, Paul is free to pretend he's noble.
Except I'm talking about a much broader history of his votes, not just healthcare.
Exactly. The only way he's a no is if he knows that the bill is dead already, he won't actually cast the vote to kill it. He doesn't have the balls.
VendettaRed07
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Right, but many took his last vote as the exact same as voting for this, which it was not
Basileus777
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Collins or Murkowski aren't going to flip after McCain publicly killed this bill in a way that gives everyone all the cover they could ever want. Rand Paul being the 3rd no is more likely than Collins or Murkowski voting yes after McCain outed himself as a no.
My point is he has a history of talking one way and voting another, so you can't really trust anything he says. If he decides he wants to look noble and votes against it good, if he votes for it then I'm the least surprised person on Earth.
Tranqueris
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I've noticed that McCain and other Republicans like Ben Sasse like to pull the "both sides" card when they have to criticize their own party.
Randolph Freelander
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If there's two Republicans I might secretly halfway begrudgingly trust to do the right thing, it would be those two. At least on this. But I will not take it for granted until it actually occurs.
And McCain is still suspect.
Dubbedinenglish
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Kimmel deserves a lot of praise for this (granted we make it to October). He managed to get the public message out on the bill.
fredrancour
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Yep. Murkowski has already proven she doesn't need to fear primaries and Collins wants to either keep her seat or become governor. Both have good reasons to object to the bill beyond just procedural ones.
Yup. He had a big hand in not only killing this one, but the last one as well.
Sure he would. He would get two wins out of voting against it. He would keep his ideological purity by voting against a bill he has slammed as "Obamacare-lite" without fucking over his state.
hydragonwarrior
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Man, it does get tiring having to reinforce the "nothingburger" belief that nothing will happen between the US and NK.
Logically it makes sense. But each time Trump talks big or threatens NK, it forces me to have to go through the stages of "fear" -> "it's nothing to worry about" once again. I abso-fucking-lutely hate doing this every other day.
Someone please get rid of that loud mouthed ass in the White House. Please.
Logically it makes sense. But each time Trump talks big or threatens NK, it forces me to have to go through the stages of "fear" -> "it's nothing to worry about" once again. I abso-fucking-lutely hate doing this every other day.
Someone please get rid of that loud mouthed ass in the White House. Please.
Randolph Freelander
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Paul isn't one of those doofuses in the HFC. He'll rail against it as not being enough, but if it comes down to it, he'll vote for it because he would prefer that versus keeping ACA in full.
He's the 4th no. Not the 1st, 2nd, and definitely not the 3rd.
Nah, if there was any realistic chance of him voting for it he wouldn't have been telling everyone that he is a hard no, that's its Obamacare lite, that he won't be bullied/bought. I'm sure he would love the opportunity to prove that he's the only "principled" right winger in the Senate.
And what can they do to him. He isn't up for reelection till 2022.
Randolph Freelander
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Feel free to believe him. I certainly will not, as he hasn't earned it. Hopefully, it doesn't come down to him anyway.
RumbleHumble
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I think if Paul were really planning on shifting positions, he would talk more about a bill he proposed making its way to the floor. Quid Pro Quo it up like last time. It doesn't even sound like they're giving him that option this time around.
lmao
This is the stupidest man on any cable news network's payroll, and that's fucking saying something.
Damn, he really is that dense.
Ignatz Mouse
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Kurtz was the "media reporter" guy at WaPo before Cillizza.
I don't think it's an accident that Kurtz jumped to Fox and that Cillizza has such crappy views. The people interested in the horse-race navel-gazing "reporting" the position requires are completely uninvested in policy outcomes.
Futurevoid
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This is from a webinar given by HHS today:
https://twitter.com/philgalewitz/status/911308749612158976
Curious time for an outage being that its during the 6 week enrollment period for Obamacare. That can't be on purpose, right? *he asked sarcastically*
https://twitter.com/philgalewitz/status/911308749612158976
Curious time for an outage being that its during the 6 week enrollment period for Obamacare. That can't be on purpose, right? *he asked sarcastically*
Randolph Freelander
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Thing is, he got his up or down full repeal vote in the last round. It failed. McConnell can and will tell him to eat it, and he will if it comes down to it.
This is from a webinar given by HHS today:
https://twitter.com/philgalewitz/status/911308749612158976
Curious time for an outage being that its during the 6 week enrollment period for Obamacare. That can't be on purpose, right? *he asked sarcastically*
Wait, is that half a weekend day every weekend?
Mark Andrew
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This is from a webinar given by HHS today:
https://twitter.com/philgalewitz/status/911308749612158976
Curious time for an outage being that its during the 6 week enrollment period for Obamacare. That can't be on purpose, right? *he asked sarcastically*
Yeah making enrolllment impossible for a quarter of each weekend does not seem like a good idea.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
This is from a webinar given by HHS today:
https://twitter.com/philgalewitz/status/911308749612158976
Curious time for an outage being that its during the 6 week enrollment period for Obamacare. That can't be on purpose, right? *he asked sarcastically*
This is unconscionable. Blatant disregard for humanity.
Or a great idea, if you're trying to prove a certain point.
Was curious about McCain's popularity and found this interesting.
http://www.businessinsider.com/john...democrats-republicans-health-care-vote-2017-8
http://www.businessinsider.com/john...democrats-republicans-health-care-vote-2017-8
It's one of the universe's great mysteries.
McCain's a secret democrat now.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
And he votes with republicans the vast majority of the time. Think about that for a second. These people are nuts.
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