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[jono51]

NAme one that comes to the budget of Heavy Rain, or The Last Guardian. These are two very different games that will never be on any other console. That is not the story for MS. Most of their games end up on PC eventually, and usually better also. Come to think of it the only games not on pc that I know of on XBLA/Xbox are Gears, Halo 3 and after, and Shadow Complex. That is all I can think of and all those games are not very experimental. Fez is rumored to come to pc so I wouldn't count that one yet.

Nintendo I can give you that, but Nintendo is always the odd one out. I still support them, but not MS.

What about the $500 million MS put into kinect? Surely that has to count as a risky endeavor, especially considering all the negativity surrounding it among the core community (that continues to this day). They aren't afraid to take risks with new stuff too, even if its things that don't appeal to everyone.

 

[teruterubozu]

Sony's "internal infighting" used to be a superior model. They divided the R&D into teams and had them compete against each other - that's how the PlayStation came about. Unfortunately, it's now an ancient model.

 

[Brofist]

Well, that's bad!
I could see it immediately.

How cute, someone who still thinks Sony TVs still = high quality. Been a long time since they've been ahead of the pack in TV tech.

 

[LegendofJoe]

Sony's "internal infighting" used to be a superior model. They divided the R&D into teams and had them compete against each other - that's how the PlayStation came about. Unfortunately, it's now an ancient model.

That model worked back then because Sony was the unquestioned leader of the global CE market, they had so many talented engineers that competing against each other produced better results than cooperating against outside competition. Now, the entire Japanese CE industry is under assault, so yeah I agree it's definitely time for a change in philosophy at Sony (and in Japan in general for that matter). I mean really are they seriously going to let Korean and Chinese companies push them out of the markets they used to own? The competition is there, maybe they need to use some good old fashioned nationalism to get their workers to wise up and compete like they used to. Whatever it takes to motivate their employees should be done.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

apple is considered "status symbol" now? welll gee williker Thank you Gen X and Gen Y yuppie consumers! thanks for having such priorities on straight that a "smartphone" that you spend $1500 over a 2 year contract outweighs the myriad of concerns facing our country! perhaps the chinese companies that pocketed your money will one day use that very same money to finance your US government issued foodstamps and welfare checks!


God Bless the US-of-A!

HaHa! This is wonderful

Sony's problem, as stated in the article, is their closed organizational structure; managers who are small petty men who are clinging to the power they have within their little fiefdoms. these people are still clinging to the idea of lifetime employment and are trying to protect their own. Sony has gotten its clock cleaned in the last decade and they can't afford to carry them anymore.

 

[Clear]

I find it somewhat odd that "analysts" recipe for saving a hardware conglomerate like Sony, is to follow the lead of companies that have made their fortune largely from software.

Sony's real problem is the state of the Japanese economy which is a major problem for any export focussed manufacturer. Were you to switch Japan and South Korea's economic conditions, but leave product lines unchanged, Samsung would be the ones in trouble.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I don't think Japan needs any more nationalism added to their business and foreign dealings. What they need is a Japanese upstart who is willing to not only emulate what works in the globalized 21st century world, but is actually committed to new ideas and willing to put them to work with some serious focus. When that success is seen in the marketplace, others will follow. So, I'm basically saying that Japan's changes for the better will come from new entities, not the old guard.

 

[Infamous Chris]

What about the $500 million MS put into kinect? Surely that has to count as a risky endeavor, especially considering all the negativity surrounding it among the core community (that continues to this day). They aren't afraid to take risks with new stuff too, even if its things that don't appeal to everyone.

Shh, you can't explain logic to fanboys.

Besides, his whole post was one of the stupidest, most ignorant posts I've seen in a long time. N4G Gamefaqs level ignorance.

 

[M.D]

Shh, you can't explain logic to fanboys.

Besides, his whole post was one of the stupidest, most ignorant posts I've seen in a long time. N4G Gamefaqs level ignorance.

Gotta love fanboys calling other people fanboys.

Looking at some of your posts, you don't exactly come across as unbiased.
Not that I deny having a preference to PS3, but I don't accuse other people of being fanboys.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Yeah, because if you had a half a century TV history you would shut down it so easily. No-one would.
I think Kaz want at least try to make some big change and see if it pays off. If not, they can still shut it down later. Once you do it, there is no turning back.

It's been nearly a decade since the television business turned a profit for them. And the problem with the television business isn't just a problem with Sony. It's a systemic issue with the television market.

Sentimentality is fine, should you have the means to support it.

If they don't divest it completely, they should as suggested at least spin it out into a merger with other failing Japanese TV makers.

 

[darkwing]

Sony is in a fight for its life? so it's really going to be dead soon?

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Sony is in a fight for its life? so it's really going to be dead soon?

'They're all dead. They just don't know it yet.'

 

[Cheech]

Sony is in a fight for its life? so it's really going to be dead soon?

Well, they're an unsustainable size for the number of products they make that people actually want to buy.

It's going to take a General Motors type downsizing to right the ship. The question is whether or not Sony's pride will get in the way of this.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

Sony products are and always have been over priced, they could get away with it whilst they were perceived as a premium brand and the Korean competition the 'cheap alternative'.

The original launch price of the PS3 summed up the arrogance of the company perfectly, as far as I'm concerned, they're getting what they deserve.

Of course, this happens to all big companies eventually, it's just their time for it...hope I'm around long enough to see Apple go through similar.

 

[CrazyDude]

Gotta love fanboys calling other people fanboys.

Looking at some of your posts, you don't exactly come across as unbiased.
Not that I deny having a preference to PS3, but I don't accuse other people of being fanboys.

You just accused him of being a fanboy in the exact same post....

 

[Infamous Chris]

Gotta love fanboys calling other people fanboys.

Looking at some of your posts, you don't exactly come across as unbiased.
Not that I deny having a preference to PS3, but I don't accuse other people of being fanboys.

Whoa there, there is no need to take out your insecurities on me. Reading comprehension, etc.

I respond to a guy quoting an ignorant post that has already been replied to numerous times, a post that makes me double check to see that I'm on GAF and not N4G/gamefaqs, and because I mention the heathen word fanboy it's a big deal? Calling me one just because my post breaks a nerve and I post in 360-centric topics (Fez, Halo 4) surely makes you one too, based off your posts, right?

The guy says he doesn't know any XBLA/360 exclusives other than Gears, Halo 3 and Shadow Complex.. And then claims the superiority of another library. I've never seen a more asinine post on GAF. I could name 100 more exclusives bit list wars are stupid and unwarranted, as been mentioned.

 

[Haunted]

If this was true Nintendo would be gone by now because they play it safe, make money off of hardware, rinse and repeat for the next generation.

Sony making another system that sells at a loss is most likely what MS wants too. MS can afford to sell another system at a loss I don't think Sony can.

The comparison to Nintendo doesn't work as they're in a different situation having first party software sales that dwarf that of any Sony property. And with the Wii, they made that lateral shift [I was asking about in my initial post] which bought them a whole new avenue of success.

Sony has positioned themselves in marketing as the technological powerhouse on the cutting edge with the PSP/Vita/PS3. Abandoning that would eliminate their biggest USP.


My business advice for Sony runs completely counter to what I actually want out of Sony as a company, that's why I never talk about it here. I hope they go for a hail mary all-in powerful console to keep things interesting.

They can't and never will regain dominance.

Very likely, but who knows what can happen in the span of a decade.

 

[Stumpokapow]

I find it somewhat odd that "analysts" recipe for saving a hardware conglomerate like Sony, is to follow the lead of companies that have made their fortune largely from software.

Their argument: Hardware in their traditional product lines is being commoditized, Sony is not well positioned to compete in a commodity market because their costs are higher than other cut rate south-east Asian firms, Sony thus cannot compete on hardware

I'm not sure how that's somewhat odd. Either hardware is being commoditized and they're right, or hardware is not being commoditzed and they're wrong. Either way, the logic of their argument is internally sound (IF their premise is true, THEN their conclusion is true).

You seem to be mixing up criticisms of the external validity with criticisms of the internal validity of the argument.

 

[M.D]

Whoa there, there is no need to take out your insecurities on me. Reading comprehension, etc.

I respond to a guy quoting an ignorant post that has already been replied to numerous times, a post that makes me double check to see that I'm on GAF and not N4G/gamefaqs, and because I mention the heathen word fanboy it's a big deal? Calling me one just because my post breaks a nerve and I post in 360-centric topics (Fez, Halo 4) surely makes you one too, based off your posts, right?

The guy says he doesn't know any XBLA/360 exclusives other than Gears, Halo 3 and Shadow Complex.. And then claims the superiority of another library. I've never seen a more asinine post on GAF. I could name 100 more exclusives bit list wars are stupid and unwarranted, as been mentioned.

I'm sorry. I admittedly didn't read that whole discussion and made assumptions remembering and looking back at some of your post history.

My bad.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Its true, lack of ideas is killing them. They also seem to pump out lots and lots of bullshit.

They can't bring anything to the table that has the same impact as the iPad, Wii, Kinect... right down to the software; no Wii Fit, Halo, Mario... They're usually too late; Move, Ps3, Xperia Play... or they're betting on a wrong horse; 3D, Blu Ray...

Its brand name has weakened also, Bravias aren't anything better than the cheaper Samsung sets. And those Vaio's, lol, they're Windows stuff.

 

[Canova]

Even when Sony is down, they're still the best company for gaming, that's just show how craptacular the other 2 companies are. Even near the end of this generation, the only exclusives announced are for PS3. Imagine when they start to really focus on gaming

 

[stilgar]

If I were Kaz... I would focus on the PlayStation brand and also focus on bringing a total and seamless entertainment experience.

You'll think I am trolling you, but I would advice them exactly NOT to follow your recommandations :

+ I would make the PS4 incredibly dev friendly... consolidate our internal development studios to focus on our key franchises while supporting third parties better than the previous generation

You know what system wasn't developers friendly? The PS2.
I mean, this is important, but not crucial : if they feel your system will be successful, they'll develop for it.

+ I would re-launch the ps vita as a "all-in-one device"... give it more of a "PSP go" style design and have it compete against windows phone / iphone. Using PSN to create a more "entertainment" app driven environment while also having android run alongside the platform. Even have an annual upgrade cycle to stay ahead of the curve.

Vita cannot compete with the Iphone (size, battery...phone!), and shouldn't play on the same ground. It's a console with high-end graphics and effin' BUTTONS.

+ I would flex our entertainment muscle and push PSN to adopt an iTunes like environment where users would want to sign in with their PSN account to access movies, music, download games, etc.

I don't know about that. I feel like closed environment are a thing from the past. I can log wherever I want to with my FB/Twitter account. Itunes environment is the Apple oddity as its finest, and I don't think it's gonna work with another company. If anything, I'd say make it as open as you can, more integrated with Android and such.

overall... the key is to push entertainment first.

Here, you have my sword.

 

[NeoGohan]

Even when Sony is down, they're still the best company for gaming, that's just show how craptacular the other 2 companies are. Even near the end of this generation, the only exclusives announced are for PS3. Imagine when they start to really focus on gaming

What are those exclusives?

 

[darkwing]

this does not bode well for the ps4

 

[Lovegooder]

Even when Sony is down, they're still the best company for gaming, that's just show how craptacular the other 2 companies are.

4/20?

Imagine when [Sony] start to really focus on gaming.

You mean when other divisions turn their attentions to the PlayStation, or do you mean when SCEA/SCEE/SCEJ finally gets off its collective ass and gets serious about gaming?

 

[CadetMahoney]

Sony used to mean quality when I was a wee lad.

Only good thing was walkman's and trinitron tv's.

Everything else sucks and/or mismanaged with poor execution basically.

The PS3 is not what I call a "successful, sound strategy". If anything, it exemplifies their problems today and their lack of ability to resolve them.

this.

 

[test_account]

this does not bode well for the ps4

Skipping PS4 and goes straight the PS5 Similar to what Sierra did with Leisure Suit Larry (went straight from LSL3 to LSL5).

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Even when Sony is down, they're still the best company for gaming, that's just show how craptacular the other 2 companies are.

And yet Sony is still getting beaten by them

 

[shinra-bansho]

Their argument: Hardware in their traditional product lines is being commoditized, Sony is not well positioned to compete in a commodity market because their costs are higher than other cut rate south-east Asian firms, Sony thus cannot compete on hardware

I'm not sure how that's somewhat odd. Either hardware is being commoditized and they're right, or hardware is not being commoditzed and they're wrong. Either way, the logic of their argument is internally sound (IF their premise is true, THEN their conclusion is true).

You seem to be mixing up criticisms of the external validity with criticisms of the internal validity of the argument.

With TVs I think the argument goes further - that they're already a commoditized market - and this is pretty evident.

With the other hardware product lines they operate in - laptops, smartphones, tablets, cameras - are these markets undergoing or have they undergone commoditization? Or have they simply lost mindshare by being LTTP with several of these markets.

 

[test_account]

And yet Sony is still getting beaten by them

I think that he is talking about his opinion about the games/platform, not about sales.

 

[EagleEyes]

Even when Sony is down, they're still the best company for gaming, that's just show how craptacular the other 2 companies are. Even near the end of this generation, the only exclusives announced are for PS3. Imagine when they start to really focus on gaming

Didn't you just say the same exact thing yesterday? The 360 just had 3 90+ rated console exclusives released just in the last week my friend. Halo 4 releases at the end of this year and will easily be the biggest console exclusive this year. Good gracious people are getting desperate on this forum.

 

[shinnn]

Even when Sony is down, they're still the best company for gaming, that's just show how craptacular the other 2 companies are. Even near the end of this generation, the only exclusives announced are for PS3. Imagine when they start to really focus on gaming

Of course they need more games. The good ones you finish in 2 days and you are done. hehe

Shame that Sony do not put the same effort in the first 2 years ("it has no games").

 

[michaelius]

And yet Sony is still getting beaten by them

And Call of Duty outsells all other shooters. Does it make it highest quality ?

 

[flyinpiranha]

What are those exclusives?

Vaporware. It's a new Sony Exclusive.

 

[Alrus]

Why do people try to argue with Canova on these things? He just really likes Sony (and Demon's Soul too I guess).

 

[HairyM00T]

why must this happen to sony? microsoft deserves to be d00med more

 

[jmdajr]

What is indeed Sony' last WW uncontested hit product? PS2?

I guess so man...

 

[Opus Angelorum]

why must this happen to sony? microsoft deserves to be d00med more

Explain?

 

[Captain Tuttle]

And Call of Duty outsells all other shooters. Does it make it highest quality ?

Quality is subjective

 

[jmdajr]

why must this happen to sony? microsoft deserves to be d00med more

Eh, I've been pissed at Sony plenty of times. One for killing Dreamcast, 2nd for killing HD-DVD...and just all the bullshit surrounding the pre PS3 launch. But do I really want to see the company die? No.

 

[HairyM00T]

Explain?

they have ruined this gen with
timed dlc
Protecting an inferior product
abusing indie devolopers
DLC
Multiple disk games
kinect
Arrogance

 

[CadetMahoney]

Good gracious people are getting desperate on this forum.

Sounds like it, calling all the titles available on 360 (including XBLA) as "craptacular" is hilarious. c'mon son.

Lot's of butt-hurt going on right now.

 

[jmdajr]

they have ruined this gen with
timed dlc
Protecting an inferior product
abusing indie devolopers
DLC
Multiple disk games
kinect
Arrogance

what does that even mean?

 

[Oppo]

Of course, this happens to all big companies eventually, it's just their time for it...hope I'm around long enough to see Apple go through similar.

A hahaha. Someone wasn't alive during the 90s.

 

[flyinpiranha]

they have ruined this gen with
timed dlc
Protecting an inferior product
abusing indie devolopers
DLC
Multiple disk games
kinect
Arrogance

Timed DLC is just as much a publishers fault as it is MS
Protecting a what-now with the ... who? I don't even ...
XBLA has done wonders for Indie developers
DLC wasn't "invented" by MS
Multiple Disk Games? Are you fucking serious?
Kinect? Are you fucking serious?
Arrogance? And that's all folks.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

they have ruined this gen with
timed dlc
Protecting an inferior product
abusing indie devolopers
DLC
Multiple disk games
kinect
Arrogance

lol

 

[Infamous Chris]

they have ruined this gen with
timed dlc
Protecting an inferior product
abusing indie devolopers
DLC
Multiple disk games
kinect
Arrogance

LOL.

First trolling in the Halo 4 topic, and now this. You'll last long here, junior. *cough*

I don't understand why people who don't own a console go so hard against it. The fuck is it, insecurity?

 

[PK Gaming]

D:

It looks they've got to step up their game, or go home. The ball's in their court, let's see some magic happen.

Spoiler

The OPs avatar is too fucking fitting.

 

[knitoe]

Vita cannot compete with the Iphone (size, battery...phone!), and shouldn't play on the same ground. It's a console with high-end graphics and effin' BUTTONS.

If they made a Vita cellphone, it could/would be made smaller. Obviously, buttons / sticks will be remove and emulated with multi touch. In gaming, the battery life are similar on the iPhone vs Vita, around 3-4 hours. And, most importantly, I'll gladly trade in my Vita and iPhone for one.

 

[HairyM00T]

what does that even mean?

sony even stated that microsoft protects an inferior product

http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/119/1192539p1.html