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Keighley: Epic says UE4 not targeted at Wii U on GTTV, Epic responds [Updated Again]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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What's wishful about it? Why do I care at the end of the day if WiiU runs UE4 or not.
My opinion on this subject is (evidently) counter to yours. I have no dog in this fight.
You're the one worked up about it. Not me.
blah-blah-blah.
I gave you my reasons in the previous post.
Rush2thestart
Member
No, I think anyone with decent conversational skills can deduce that.
What the hell does "Wii U will be UE3" mean anyway? Makes no grammatical sense.
radioheadrule83
Banned
UE4 might end up being the Wii-U's version of 3DS scratches and "I'm waiting for a revision". I expect a year or more of some people wilfully ignoring the excellent first and third party software on offer on Wii-U, neglecting to notice that its the best looking stuff available that isn't on a PC, and then come E3 2013 - some people will try and hail this as a reason to overlook the system altogether. Actually, if the demo impresses, they'll probably hail it as a reason to overlook it this week. Not everyone will be so closed minded. Its not like there's a UE4 supporting console releasing this fall to do any damage, and it remains to be seen what the cost of entry will be next year to one that *does* support it.
Truthfully, I think the telling thing will be when people continue to buy what will be perhaps technically inferior SKUs of software on 360/PS3 because that's where their friends lists are, or because they prefer that console and its controller or whatever... that will tell you how important this is and where Nintendo's priorities should really lie. They should have (and hopefully have) concentrated on making the console as appealing and affordable as it can possibly be - meaning complete overhaul of gameplay and services, while making it as strong as they can within those constraints. If they've planned it well, and execute it well, they'll have a hit on their hands no matter what anyone on here says or feels about it.
Truthfully, I think the telling thing will be when people continue to buy what will be perhaps technically inferior SKUs of software on 360/PS3 because that's where their friends lists are, or because they prefer that console and its controller or whatever... that will tell you how important this is and where Nintendo's priorities should really lie. They should have (and hopefully have) concentrated on making the console as appealing and affordable as it can possibly be - meaning complete overhaul of gameplay and services, while making it as strong as they can within those constraints. If they've planned it well, and execute it well, they'll have a hit on their hands no matter what anyone on here says or feels about it.
Hold on a moment, you just said your opinion isn't based on any info, what am I then to assume its based on then?
I'm not worked up in the slightest, I'm just being logical. WiiU is superior hardware to PS360. So the most logical assumption given no further information is that the WiiU version will either be the same or better than it is on PS360. To assume otherwise based on nothing sounds very much like you just want it to be the case.
You didn't give any reasons, you said your opinion was "based on nothing".
Sorry to "blah blah blah" you with actual information by the way
I think most people are just waiting to see if they can pull off another miracle in this sense again. Not if it's possible rather will nintendo have the balls to really make it work especially once the 4 year hits. This generation nintendo is truly testing me even compared to cube I don't want anymore short term cycles.
Barrel Cannon
Member
I find it ironic that unreal engine 3 got the most flak this generation for any game that was announced to be using it and people are disappointed that the wii won't get the next iteration. Still it kind of sucks but truly what matters most is good third party support in terms of games not the capabilities of the console.
Yup. Makes reading any Wii U related thread a total chore.
Sorry but half of people miss what really matterin Wii U vs UE4 debate.
Most of new features in UE4 need serious hardware.
If rumours are true about Wii U, console won't have power to deliver new features.
It's like using windows 7 on 98 hardware.
Yes there will be upgrades but it won't work like win7 on win7 hardware.
Most of new features in UE4 need serious hardware.
If rumours are true about Wii U, console won't have power to deliver new features.
It's like using windows 7 on 98 hardware.
Yes there will be upgrades but it won't work like win7 on win7 hardware.
Sirolf
Member
It will be very interesting to see how Wii U is received. Not by gamers, that's already obvious (people will buy it for Nintendo games and have a love/hate relationship with it).
But I wonder if the general population is excited about it and actually wants a console with a tablet controller.
But I wonder if the general population is excited about it and actually wants a console with a tablet controller.
Just admit it. You don't actually know what 'wishful thinking' means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking
Wishful thinking is implying that this is some scenario that I desire to come to fruition.
I don't care either way.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Busty, Donnie isn't arguing with you, and like you, I don't think he cares either way -- he's simply challenging and questioning the basis for your assertions / predictions. Why are you trying to make it seem otherwise?
No offence, but that isn't a very good analogy. Windows 7 runs on very low end machines and tiny netbooks, it has a much better footprint than its predecessor - Vista, and can run without too much sacrifice on machines that previously ran only Windows XP. If you're saying the difference in hardware is going to be like a 1998 PC vs a 2010/11 PC, then you're sorely mistaken.
If you're saying that it mustn't have the hardware to run UE4, then that would be blindingly self-evident at this point.
No offence, but that isn't a very good analogy. Windows 7 runs on very low end machines and tiny netbooks, it has a much better footprint than its predecessor - Vista, and can run without too much sacrifice on machines that previously ran only Windows XP. If you're saying the difference in hardware is going to be like a 1998 PC vs a 2010/11 PC, then you're sorely mistaken.
If you're saying that it mustn't have the hardware to run UE4, then that would be blindingly self-evident at this point.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
The Wii U is getting Unreal Engine 3 though.
The issue people have here is if UE4 takes off in the same way UE3 did in a few years time and the Wii U can't support it it's very likely the Wii U will wind up in the same position the Wii did.
Reality tends to suggest that *power* doesn't matter, in real terms; that's why so many people are couching this discussion in terms of third party support, which I would argue is what really counts for Nintendo at this juncture - and *that* depends on whether the average third party is interested in pushing for UE4-quality visuals, because that's not a given.
If third parties do go all-in on UE4 and POWERRR, Nintendo may be shaping up for similar issues to last gen. Given the financial status of the industry at the moment, though, I can see reasons to believe that's not going to be the case, at least for the short-term future.
To be fair, you came to a definite conclusion based on what you admit is no actual evidence. *Something* swayed you. What was it?
Latent bias?
Coin toss?
A desire to troll?
Wild 'n' crazy hunch?
Look, if you don't have a reason to believe it (which you have said, not me) then I don't think I'm out of line in assuming you must want to believe it. Otherwise you flipped a coin, or you had a a dream or something. Just tell me your psychic and we can end this conversation.
Wishful thinking is quite self explanatory, I don't think we need any wiki links to figure out its meaning.
This doesn't seem to be the case after all. It's supposedly noticeably more powerful (or can at least do things that would be prohibitive if not impossible on PS3 and 360), but it takes games specifically designed for the system to show it - most mulitplatform games will look more or less the same.
Refreshment.01
Member
I think you are being to picky, the spirit of it's example is reasonable and that's what matters in the end. With enough effort and straw grasping you can find faults even in the most solid and reasonable arguments.
Like i said no real surprises here, either it WiiU wouldn't run UE4 or it would with sacrifices.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Doesn't Bioshock use a modified Unreal 2.5 engine? And that looked pretty good even for this gen's standard. Maybe they do something like that (UE 3.5) for the WiiU.
DragonSworne
Banned
The analog is implying that running Ue4 would result in games looking worse than running UE3 on WiiU...
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1401272/epic_unreal_engine_4_platforms_unconfirmed_beyond_pc.html?
Looks thread worthy, I'd make it myself but I pledged not to till after E3.
Also, I TOLD YOU we couldn't trust that tweet.
Looks thread worthy, I'd make it myself but I pledged not to till after E3.
Also, I TOLD YOU we couldn't trust that tweet.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Haven't played Return to Dreamland or (enough of) Xenoblade yet.
Played everything else though, and the Galaxy games are the only ones that really impressed me.
Everthing else was either disappointing, or just not that good, with Brawl and Prime 3 being the biggest disappointments. Besides, I played Prime 1, 2, and Twilight Princess on the Gamecube.
So yes, the Wii's lineup was servely disappointing to me. I've spent more time replaying Gamecube games on it than Wii games. My sister, brother, and I were just playing Melee again last night, actually.
Here a crazy idea: Properly Nintendo wants to support 3rd Party Developers by providing them a platform, where they can use older, already known engines to keep costs down. Everybody wants more power and fly to the moon, but who is gonna pay for this? Nintendo already tried this strategies with the Wii, which developers ignore.
I don't have a problem to "skip" a generation, to get better prices, a healthier customer relationship (DLC and Pay-To-Play), more room for experiments and chances for smaller developers, who do not just die after one game. The only fractions, who win thanks to more power and higher cost, are the big publisher and get more power to easily dictate the industry.
I don't have a problem to "skip" a generation, to get better prices, a healthier customer relationship (DLC and Pay-To-Play), more room for experiments and chances for smaller developers, who do not just die after one game. The only fractions, who win thanks to more power and higher cost, are the big publisher and get more power to easily dictate the industry.
There's a world of difference between those two outcomes, though; it's the difference between whether a game developed on UE4 can come out on they system at all or not.
I mean, the whole *point* of a nicely scalable engine is based on sacrifices, so it's a given that "weaker UE4 system" will run a game developed for "stronger UE4 system" 'with sacrifices'. It might be niggling over semantics, but they're semantics that make a world of difference in terms of support.
(As said elsewhere, though, I'm inclined to believe it won't run UE4, but I'm also inclined to believe that UE4 won't take the middleware world by storm, at least for a good few years yet; I'm thinking third parties may embrace stability for a while)
So basically you're assuming MS and Sony are releasing a second UE3 console....
If Sony and MS don't unveil anything at all about their next-gen systems, you can take for granted that the PS4 and X720 will be UE4 compliant.
Because they weren't, there would be absolutely no reason at all to give Nintendo a 1 or 2 year headstart.
Please don't.
*chortle*
I imagine you slamming your fist on your desk as you typed out that post.
No you're suggesting that I want such an outcome out of a desire to see the WiiU 'fail' (for want of a better word) and for Arkham City WiiU to lag behind the PS360 ports.
I responded with why can't I have a dispassionate point of view? What does it impact me if the WiiU version of Arkham City looks like crap or is a an utter revelation on the WiiU? I said it before and I'll say it again, I have no dog in this fight.
You do however. And clearly you're worried about it or you wouldn't be bringing this up again and again....
Why don't you share your concerns for the WiiU with the rest of the group?
..., and yet.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'm not--I'm content to just wait until E3. I don't even really care that much about the UE4 support (although for Nintendo it would be much better for their relationship with third parties). I was just commenting on it being thread-worthy.
DaSorcerer7
Member
At the very least, an amendment to the thread title.
I'm not getting involved in this nonsense. Just answer me a simple question. Why do you believe the WiiU version will look worse?
I have no problem with your earlier statements, but you realize this one pokes fun at him while simultaneously coloring all your comments, right? It certainly doesn't come off as dispassionate.
Again: Not making any broad generalizations about your perspective, just stating that this comment did not support your argument.
Until Epic comes out with a neon sign that reads, "Wii U will run UE4, you idiotic dolts!", there is no sense to further antagonize the situation with no comment / null confirmation nonsense.
Or even just lock this thread.
That link has made all of the discussion in this thread redundant, we're back to square one and have /no idea/ whether UE4 will be on the Wii U.
He already said it would be because of the lack of experience with the hardware.
Nevertheless, what he calls an opinion is actually just a prediction. Like you said, there is nothing you could base your opinion on, on this moment.
We don't know how advanced the Wii U will be compared to PS360 hardware, which API's it can use, we don't know how developerfriendly the system is.
RPGCrazied
Member
I don't care. Its a BIG improvement over the Wii and that's enough for me. At least it wont look like ass on an a HD TV now like the Wii does.
Look at who posted this thread. Yep...
Ugh, only a week until we can talk about games and actually have fun. I'm sick of these kinds of threads.
Though it's Nintendo's fault. One year and NO information.
I've already answered this question in this very thread.
Right click my username and go to 'Find more posts by' and find it yourself.
I'm not going over and over and over this...,
'fraid not. But I think you may just have confirmed #3.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
The Wii was already one of the best selling consoles of all time a few years after its release and still never got a dumbed-down UE3 though.
The Wii U being released at least a year before the competition could work in its favor I guess (and CryEngine 3 support still leads me to believe the system isn't immediately comparable to the current generation), but unless Nintendo really do make an effort improving their 3rd party support and relations this doesn't seem to be too different situation to what the Wii was.