entremet
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They're probably fitness models or bodybuilders. Why hate? They're not hurting you.
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Do women see extremely muscular men the same way men see anorexic women?
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They're probably fitness models or bodybuilders. Why hate? They're not hurting you.
Your friend is insane and needs to seek therapy. The hormonal damage he's doing with that type of stack at that high of a dosage could (will) cause serious permanent damage. I hope he has one hell of a PCT, and possibly a doctor, to help him with the off cycle.
Otherwise, tell him to enjoy the erectile dysfunction, permanent testicular atrophy, breast lumps, and drastic increase in body fat due to the estrogen spike. Fuckin A, over a gram of tren a dose? He's the type of person that gives anabolics their shit reputation.
Yes. He is not my friend though, he is my brother. Has had issue in the past with addiction. Lots of problems actually, several arrests, rehab, jail time... this is just his latest "thing."
Biggest problem for me is dealing with his anger when I work out with him. He gets frustrated about everything on this stuff.
In the past he's popped about a gram of caffeine and half a box of sinus medication (for ephedrine) daily.
How can no one not see a guy bigger than yourself and just feel inspirated to just be stronger than that guy. all in the fun form of competition.
freenudemacusers
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Ah, didn't catch that. I'm sorry for you brother's issues. Having somebody close with an addiction/emotional issue can be rough.
If there's any way you can get him to a doctor to explain what he's done to himself they can probably get him on a PCT to help the off cycle. Depending on how long he's been on chems, it's going to be a damn battle. The most physically observable issue would be the breast lumps/swollen nipples. Depending on how bad they get, it could take surgery to repair.
Best of luck to him, I can relate to the mental issues one can have with their appearance.
I don't like rebuying my wardrobe every year
That's why you buy larger than you need.
Step 1: Fill up your clothing with dat Winter bluk.
Step 2: Cut down in Spring.
Step 3: wear your lose pants with no shirt everywhere. Show of dem cuts to the ladies and gents. You see them checking out the goods. You know they want a sample, some of that try before you buy.
He's almost at sixteen weeks now, no signs of stopping. I've talked to him many times about seeing a doctor, but he refuses, thinks he will get in trouble somehow.
What he always says is, "it's fine, the guy I buy them from says my balls will come back." And I always, always say, "yeah -- the guy that's SELLING THEM TO YOU." But he doesn't get it, or doesn't want to.
He hasn't been doing injections the whole time. The first few weeks were oral pills. Dianabol or something. I can't really keep track. He talks about them all the time like they are the greatest thing.
I know now he is taking three things. I think they are all injections. I know one is tren, but I am not sure about the others. I know he's had dbol (I think those were his orals), t3, deca, all these things I really don't know much about except names.
diamondstar
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I wish I was more like you but I get discouraged pretty easy. That is why I needed a gym at home because my whole mindset would get screwed up if I walked in the gym and someone was on the machine I planned to start with.
And again I have to admit there are certain types of guys that can knock me down a notch self-esteem wise even though I am getting bigger and stronger. Was always a lanky person growing up so it could have something to do with that.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
That's not what I was discussing previously. What was being discussed was being depressed/feeling like shit when that happens.
Yeah, that's just something you will have to overcome, but staying away from the public won't fix it if it's something you really want to work on.
Next time that guy is on your machine ask him how much longer he has, or do something similar that doesn't require the machine/equipment.
You might be surprised how many people are "nice" and "helpful" in the gym.
not more than 200mg if he is planning on not appearing as a crazy person during the summer, right?
He isn't going to be adding any mass while on the DNP. Something to keep muscle on isn't a bad idea, but don't plan on adding 15lbs or anything while on it. Also, let me know if he enjoys the yellow loads / beer brown piss
He's replaced the other addictions with these new ones, and unfortunately, that's going to make getting him off this stuff voluntarily a nightmare.
Bam Bam Baklava
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In his case people probably would know he had money or he flaunted it and got positive reactions from them, thus garnering confidence.
Poindexter
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Where did I say that? I said that gaining muscle is easy for me. When I eat in a modest caloric surplus I have no problems gaining muscle. Cutting is what's difficult. I tend to lose a lot of muscle mass when I cut too. My body just likes to hold onto fat because ive spent most of my life fat. My homeoatasis still has not adjusted.
If only life works as simple as you imagine it. I can easily go to gym and attend my boxing classes because my job is a web designer. I can finish or postpone work and continue later in my own pace/time. But my friend, who study Japanese with me, is not so lucky. He works for a TV network creating motion graphics. He often has to stay up late (9PM to 10PM) at work. He can't even attend our Japanese class regularly because he's often demanded to work late. So obviously going to gym is out of the question for him since he'd be too tired by the time he's back home. As a result, he also relies on eating out instead of cooking for himself, which also compounds on the problem. The only time he has for workout is on the weekend but he has a GF, so obviously she'd like to spend time with him. Sure, he can do some pull ups/push ups in his spare time but obviously the result is not going to be a body-buiding body that I have.
With attitude like yours, is it any wonder that people often see body-building guys like us as some kind of arrogant dickhead? Just because we have more luck and opportunity to have better body is not a reason to look down on those who don't. We don't really know their situation, their life. If we want more people to get healthy, then the way to do it is not to snub our noses to them for not looking like body builder. Instead, we should encourage them to do anything they can to get healthy and for whatever motivation they may have to go to the gym or even to the park.
If you are losing mass that fast, you are not gaining muscle. You are losing fat/water that you gained while bulking. Muscle is a slow process, and at max you'll put on 10 lbs a year (when you start, forget about those numbers after a couple of years). That's less than a lb a month. More realistically, ~7 lbs.
Considering that it is possible to gain/lose 10 lbs in a month healthily, I'd probably conclude that it is easier to lose weight than gain muscle.
Karak
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I see. People do all kinds of things but the amount of Tren is pretty insane and hard on the hairline as well
DNP, ignoring all the myths, is the most incredible weight loss med possible however it works TOO well(dangerous and needs extreme almost medical level checking on your health) and thats just one more thing if he is using dbol as well. Just alot I know folks using far more while on DNP. But DNP's sides are not that compatible with Tren's.
Of course natural is safer but I know many people who do use DNP to get rid of a plateau on weightloss and so forth. I have used it and it worked but I had some sides.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's not outside the realm of possibility to put on 15lbs in a year depending on you respond to it and how much muscle you had to begin with. It's a very individual thing.
Diseased Yak
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Yes sir!
Ok, so I'm straight I suppose. Let's see... I will say if I ran into Ryan Gosling in a dark alley, mumbled excuse me, and then he grabbed me by the lapels, shoved me up against a dirty brick wall, and forced his tongue down my throat while grinding his rock-hard cock into my hip, I wouldn't go out of my way to report that to the police....
Yeah :/He's replaced the other addictions with these new ones, and unfortunately, that's going to make getting him off this stuff voluntarily a nightmare.
It sucks because he was doing pretty good for a while. Lost about 50lbs on his own, stopped drinking, got into shape. That lasted about a year. Then he started rolling molly, a lot of DMT and acid, having too much of a good time, and got fed up with having to wait for more results at the gym. Got into steroids and has been taking them since.
Yeah I suppose. I'm assuming average genetics, no steroids, and acceptable diet.
SouthernDragon
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There's a point where diminishing returns come into play. Getting from one point to another might make me healthier, but to what cost?
I can reach a certain level of strength, flexibility, and general health while also devoting time to other pursuits.
Also, dude, at the bolded... that's blaming-the-victim type of talk.
aside from the usual? Like what?I see. People do all kinds of things but the amount of Tren is pretty insane and hard on the hairline as well
DNP, ignoring all the myths, is the most incredible weight loss med possible however it works TOO well(dangerous and needs extreme almost medical level checking on your health) and thats just one more thing if he is using dbol as well. Just alot I know folks using far more while on DNP. But DNP's sides are not that compatible with Tren's.
Of course natural is safer but I know many people who do use DNP to get rid of a plateau on weightloss and so forth. I have used it and it worked but I had some sides.
pel1300
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I don't see why this is such a complicated topic for you guys.
Many women are attracted to muscular guys, just not TOO muscular..
We've known for ages that they love the slim/muscular Brad Pitt in Fight Club look, or the athletic swimmer look, or the Calvin Klein look(muscular but not like a bodybuilder). That is a wide range.
It's not that different from guys. Few guys like anorexic girls...but most guys like slim, fit girls...even if some weaker guys are intimidated by "fit" girls(ie- gymnasts, volleyball chicks, track and field girls, etc).
As a general rule...an overly muscular man is more attractive to women than a sickly anorexic woman is to men...even if girls don't want to admit. I feel that girls are embareassed to admit that an extremely buff man is attractive, even if she thinks he is.
those bodybuilder types tend to attract the fitness model type girls...not too bad if you ask me.
The guys who are attracted to sickly anorexic girls probably just don't realize that those girls are terrible in the sack.
Many women are attracted to muscular guys, just not TOO muscular..
We've known for ages that they love the slim/muscular Brad Pitt in Fight Club look, or the athletic swimmer look, or the Calvin Klein look(muscular but not like a bodybuilder). That is a wide range.
It's not that different from guys. Few guys like anorexic girls...but most guys like slim, fit girls...even if some weaker guys are intimidated by "fit" girls(ie- gymnasts, volleyball chicks, track and field girls, etc).
As a general rule...an overly muscular man is more attractive to women than a sickly anorexic woman is to men...even if girls don't want to admit. I feel that girls are embareassed to admit that an extremely buff man is attractive, even if she thinks he is.
those bodybuilder types tend to attract the fitness model type girls...not too bad if you ask me.
The guys who are attracted to sickly anorexic girls probably just don't realize that those girls are terrible in the sack.
Anorexia and ridiculous muscle obsession seem like the same phenomena applied to different genders. In both cases they are trying to achieve extreme versions of what society sees as the ideal female/male body types, and in both cases the people effected are never satisfied, they can never get skinny/big enough.
I know people that have anorexia and bigorexia, and in both cases it seems to stem from a severe lack of self esteem. In the case of bigorexics they seem to constantly talk about how big they are, constantly take selfies of their muscles, constantly talk about it on facebook. It reeks of insecurity. The stigma against anorexia prevents this, but I'm fairly confident that they have similar causes.
I know people that have anorexia and bigorexia, and in both cases it seems to stem from a severe lack of self esteem. In the case of bigorexics they seem to constantly talk about how big they are, constantly take selfies of their muscles, constantly talk about it on facebook. It reeks of insecurity. The stigma against anorexia prevents this, but I'm fairly confident that they have similar causes.
That's the look.
True. Most of the time, even if a guy is not done with his sets, he'll share the equipment with you, so you can do a set while he rests and vice versa. At least that's been been my experience. It is frustrating though when there are a million people in the gym and literally every single piece of equipment/machine you were looking to use is occupied.
Boss Doggie
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Yes. In those shows it's not strength but rather appearance. Definition and size are important and tanning + oiling is a way to show them.
Ghost_Protocol
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Yeah, none of this matters. Every single freaking day I see gorgeous women with totally average-looking/unnattractive guys, and I see very handsome dudes with very plain-looking/fat/unnattractive women. That's the majority of couples. I rarely see two good looking people.
There was recently an article about this subject, in a sort of tangential way, that I had thought about posting but never really got to making.
g.r.e.
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Natural phisiques only.
Even more awesome: that man is 51 years old.
ZombieTimeMachine
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That is basically 100% my type...largely because I am a skinny, nerdy girl and can relate. Most men don't seem to prefer my body type either (total lack of curves).
On that note, I'm not really seeing any pics of guys in here I personally find attractive (though Gosling can be occasionally).
And he's taking a dump in the picture.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Women prefer men who are tall, lean (cut), and have a six pack. Thankfully, I have all three!
As for the type of women I prefer, I don't like really skinny women, but not large, either. An in-between look, but in good shape. A girl from college I knew who was a lifeguard and competed in triatholons. She didn't have crazy muscles or abs, but damn a great body.
As for the type of women I prefer, I don't like really skinny women, but not large, either. An in-between look, but in good shape. A girl from college I knew who was a lifeguard and competed in triatholons. She didn't have crazy muscles or abs, but damn a great body.
Karak
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DNP metabolism after-effects. When you are on it for a low dose for a long time then come off, gaining weight(good weight-muscle) can become far more difficult than normal. For example on low carb diets I can still put on a good amount of muscle and have good strength and endurance. This is all natural so I am sure if someone is dosed up on test they would be ok. That lasted a good couple months.
It also drops your thyroid levels quite a bit and that hampered me a good deal for a long time. Just the typical differences in human anatomy that plagued me and there is no promise someone else will have the same ones.
I am one of the unfortunate ones that got saddled with about 3-5 months of really excessive calorie burn as well. It sounds like a good thing but it isn't. In fact even weeks later the heat during workouts was way beyond what it should be. Even moderate exercise or quicker walking resulted in the typical DNP sweat, minus the smell and yellow color. And I have used it enough times to know whats normal and what is not. But again nothing horrid just some unique things that I had to work around.
DNP seems to have a unique and puzzling halflife. With reports that its out of the body within 72 hours and others saying a month or so. I however think that for some illnesses, for example Alzheimer, it is going to be an insane development if they continue testing it. Some of the unique effects of DNP on plaque in the brain of patients was downright extraordinary. It also has a stunning effect in this last decades tests where they used it on spinal cord injury patiants and saw spectacular injury recover periods.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Here are a ton of pics. Some aren't in order by month/year, so although I look a little bulkier than other pics, I prefer to stay lean and cut. Never wanted to be big.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled1.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/01-1.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/06.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-49.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-51.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-52.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-41.jpg
My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David. You on the otherhand, well, you're a pit of despair. You disgust me. You digust everyone, and you never, ever be on a billboard.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled1.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/01-1.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/06.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-49.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-51.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-52.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-41.jpg
My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David. You on the otherhand, well, you're a pit of despair. You disgust me. You digust everyone, and you never, ever be on a billboard.
Dennis Reynolds, lol
diamondstar
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So do you prefer the nerdy skinny guys just because of your self-confidence?
Like if a muscular guy was into you, would you really turn him down?
I wonder because there are quite a few girls that have the nerd look that I still find pretty damn hot but maybe I don't stand a chance because of their confidence issues.
FlyingTeacup
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AbortedWalrusFetus
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You look like a slightly larger framed version of my brother. He's really strict in diet, but he doesn't work out that intensively. May I ask what your routine/diet is like?
Host Samurai
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Tony Jaa, a thai boxer movie star. He looked insanely cool, his acrobatics, flexibility. Even though it was all film it was unreal.
Plus, a lot of women were on the MMA and Thai Boxing teams. They did/do it for the exercise and because it's safe, exotic and fun and everyone can feel like a bad ass after punching a bag for a while.
This is more my body type. I look funny if I bulk so I tend to do medium weight with high reps and sets. I am probably 11% bf now and want to get down to 9%.
My sides are gone within a couple of days, sweats, headaches, whatnot(least not like sweating standing in line to get some coffee lol). Usually try to start thyroid pct a couple days prior to ending...not even sure how much that helps though. Not super concerned with adding mass atm, but I know I have lost a decent amount of lean mass along with the fat. Probably isn't a way around this without adding other stuff into the equation, and not really interested in that at this point. Hear you on the smell....
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
That's messed up, Bud. I never look good in photos to say the least. I've always considered myself average looking. Doesn't mean I've never been with good looking; just gotta have confidence. Face pics:
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-48.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-47.jpg
Let's see some pics of you, trash talker.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-48.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l300/JackBau3r/untitled-47.jpg
Let's see some pics of you, trash talker.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Maybe not the most perfect bone structure but when you consider your body is fucking perfect I'd say you're one beautiful bastard. Must be real nice.
ZombieTimeMachine
Member
To answer your question, self-confidence likely does play a part in it. I have never been the most confident person, and I have always been introverted (although I don't believe that one is inherently a bad trait), but it previously wasn't this bad. I am working to come to terms with all of this though, and just be ok with who I am (cheesy as that sounds).
It is, however, more than just the confidence issue with me. It is also just my personal taste in guys. That doesn't mean it is a rule. I wouldn't turn down a muscular guy if I did like him. A personality that I relate to can sometimes make someone I would initially consider "meh" attractive. I cannot speak for other nerdy girls though. You probably do stand a chance, but if you find a girl you like with similar issues I would recommend you approach carefully rather than aggressively (this would be my suggestion to any guy going after a girl like that, regardless of his appearance).
FlyingTeacup said:I'm not most men I guess.
My favourite female shape is athletic.
It may be that taste in body shapes (on both the male and female front) is more diverse than what is presented to us.
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