Flash memory? Well if that would be the case then I hope the difference is minimal. Next gen really can't be unveiled soon enough!
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Flash memory? Well if that would be the case then I hope the difference is minimal. Next gen really can't be unveiled soon enough!
Proelite
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Wont that burn out the flash memory in like less than a year?
THE:MILKMAN
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Are there any rumours yet on how this console will look? Is it MYE that does fantastic renders here?
systemfehler
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At 30GB/day you get around 5 years with a decent Intel SSD
People are using SSD's with swap files on their drives for years, seems to hold up just fine.
Proelite
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Yeah, but we're talking about using SSDs like ram? Unless I am mistaken.
Barack Lesnar
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No rumors at all on looks yet. We probably won't get that info until GDC or E3. I'm really curious about it. We're going to get an enormous power brick for the 720, that much I know lol.
Proelite
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If they want to use SSD in the way like you said, they would want to have a rather large sized SSD. 64GB would be a great amount, enough to hold whole games.
No need to hold the entire game on there though. I suspect the iPad model with 16GB standard. You can add a HDD later.
THE:MILKMAN
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I'm interested in whether they go with swoops/curves like 360/PS3 or AV like that blend in on the tv stand.
AgentP
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What? You don't use 3.2GB for a single frame buffer. Your memory should have everything it needs for present and near future frames. Do you think the 720 is going to load 3GB of data for one frame buffer and another 3GB for another when you do a 180?
Why would a system with 3GB of UMA GDDR5 move data in and out of main memory while it needs it (and move it to where?)? And why isn't moving data in and out of the eSRAM a concern, the bottleneck there is still the DDR. I probably don't know what you are trying to say, it isn't at all clear.
You also have to be able to push all the pixels. If you suddenly gave the PS3 4GB of the same GDDR3 for the RSX, it would have issues using it due to raw GPU power and memory bandwidth. Lots of variables make up the rendering pipeline, not one or two.
NoLootBoxDev
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Doesn't Nintendo do the same with the WII U?
Not sure I know nothing of Wii U(barely even acknowledged the thing when it was announced) but as an all in one box I expect nothing less than what the 360 offers with DVDs.
nintendo does not even support dvd lol
Can Crusher
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No BR support doesn't make sense.
No that doesn't make sense at all. Don't say to me streaming either.
he's a ms fanboy,doesn't matter where he works.
Psychotext
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I really, really doubt it they'll do that. Unless you have to buy it on the marketplace (a bit like you used to have to buy the remote with the original).
Can Crusher
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Why is he a MS fanboy? Can you show me?
GarthVaderUK
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Where'd you read that?
A few random links off twitter. Not really news worthy yet I'd say but still ya never know.
GarthVaderUK
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The source of the rumour:
http://www.thenextxbox.com/2013/01/...gainst-blu-ray-movie-playback-with-xbox-next/
It's not really a rumour though, just speculation.
Jesus Christ.
Proelite
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He is a journalist foremost, and he is one of the few that doesn't fuck around.
WeAreStarStuff
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The train with 500 people would have made the trip 4 times by the time the larger capacity train arrives, therefore delivering 2,000 people vs 1,000.
You know it's new console season when journos start getting called fanboy...
At worst it will be like the orginal xbox buy a seperate remote get a redeem code for playback. I guess depends on how pricey the license to play bluray's is these days. I would hope they include it in the box.
shinobi602
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Yes, but it's Nintendo.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
blu-ray is old news.
Dat Orbis effect.
No,Blu-Ray or a custom version of that.
This is what a friend who is clued up on this stuff messaged me with:
' Teraflop: floating point operations per second. ie. the number of operations that processor can perform on a single floating point register in any given second.
Since that's what graphics and physics is mostly about, you would think the higher number means a faster overall console, you would be wrong though, that number only comes into account when you assume everything, EVERYTHING you're going to do, is loaded into the processor registers, which it never will be, EVER.
The stuff that requires manipulation, presentation or just simply needs to be checked on, will be held in RAM.
The key to a faster console, is more RAM and FAST RAM, ie. 8gb of DDR2 dual channel is worth less than 4gb of DDR3 tri or quad channel because of the throughput on DDR3, its so much faster, it can have stuff loaded in and out so much faster, that you dont need as much (although as RAM gets faster, applications get bigger and you need more ram anyway, so this is moot).
Also, the bus speeds of the cpu and the ram should match, the closer they match, or if one a multiple of the other ie. both 200, or 1 is 300 and the other is 150, these all add up to over all power. So, what i mean by, what does FLOPS mean... it means pretty much fuck all on its own'
Ie: He's telling me that PS4 will kill XboxNext
' Teraflop: floating point operations per second. ie. the number of operations that processor can perform on a single floating point register in any given second.
Since that's what graphics and physics is mostly about, you would think the higher number means a faster overall console, you would be wrong though, that number only comes into account when you assume everything, EVERYTHING you're going to do, is loaded into the processor registers, which it never will be, EVER.
The stuff that requires manipulation, presentation or just simply needs to be checked on, will be held in RAM.
The key to a faster console, is more RAM and FAST RAM, ie. 8gb of DDR2 dual channel is worth less than 4gb of DDR3 tri or quad channel because of the throughput on DDR3, its so much faster, it can have stuff loaded in and out so much faster, that you dont need as much (although as RAM gets faster, applications get bigger and you need more ram anyway, so this is moot).
Also, the bus speeds of the cpu and the ram should match, the closer they match, or if one a multiple of the other ie. both 200, or 1 is 300 and the other is 150, these all add up to over all power. So, what i mean by, what does FLOPS mean... it means pretty much fuck all on its own'
Ie: He's telling me that PS4 will kill XboxNext
I think it is more like the 2000 people train has arrived, with people already going home after loading the level and the 500 people train has to go back and forth all the time trying to keep up with the player movement with clever streaming
I definitly agree that you can replace a larger ram with smaller and faster one, but having the bigger and slower one is better
Also the transfers do not happen at the exact bus speed of course
Ah, you can feel the next-gen in the air.
What if the slower train was on top of a faster train?
What if there was no train ? Only you.
Isn't vector and texture data already commonly in a compressed state before sending? At least I think I remember Ps2 doing something with vector compression, might be mis-remembering.
Proelite
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Just making a joke. I am not hinting about next generation console abilities.
It does get difficult to tell sometimes
(not you personally, just rumor nonsense generally)Peaches are Next-gen. Apples and Oranges are old tech.
systemfehler
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The train example also lacks an important feature - you not only deliever people from A to B you also take people back from B to A.
So the faster but smaller train not only bringts 2000 people he also takes 1500 people back in the same time the bigger but faster bringts 1000. However depending on the train speed and size that could be optimized and changed so the bigger train is "better".
I do believe that Sony did their homework as did Microsoft but both had different goals and scenarios in mind. Which console in the end will have the better setup is decided over the next couple of years. If Naughty Dog really had the choice between less and fast RAM or more and slower I trust their decision any day over 1000 Cryteks. Microsoft is a big software company currently struggling with phones, tablets and their cash cow Windows 8 but still I do trust them they will do the right thing aswell but from a different perspective. If they want to take over the living room from other gadgets as an extra source of income maybe some things have to be sacrificied in the gaming department.
So the faster but smaller train not only bringts 2000 people he also takes 1500 people back in the same time the bigger but faster bringts 1000. However depending on the train speed and size that could be optimized and changed so the bigger train is "better".
I do believe that Sony did their homework as did Microsoft but both had different goals and scenarios in mind. Which console in the end will have the better setup is decided over the next couple of years. If Naughty Dog really had the choice between less and fast RAM or more and slower I trust their decision any day over 1000 Cryteks. Microsoft is a big software company currently struggling with phones, tablets and their cash cow Windows 8 but still I do trust them they will do the right thing aswell but from a different perspective. If they want to take over the living room from other gadgets as an extra source of income maybe some things have to be sacrificied in the gaming department.
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