Majukun
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Wonderful 101 there's probably no chance, but Bayonetta 2...
I think you should ask Sega, not Nintendo.
no,you should ask nintendo for that too.
Wonderful 101 there's probably no chance, but Bayonetta 2...
I think you should ask Sega, not Nintendo.
Bayonetta 2 is Nintendo through and through - this is nothing like the NG3 situation
They paid for its existence.
Kamiya himself says to Ask Ninty.
Please look at the context of what I said.
Neither Platinum nor Nintendo owns the Bayonetta IP. If Sega decides to have its IP ported to other consoles, they have fuck all to say about it.
Microsoft funded and published Mass effect. I am sure you know what happened. sega holds the IP, sega funds helped platinum develop engine for bayonetta , which I would assume would be at core same with upgrade.
Nobody gives there IP away for nothing or use the engine they paid for nothing. Without knowing what agreement was between Nintendo and sega you can't say it won't go MP.
Personally not saying it will happen . just saying that owner of IP is the person who can gurantee it's fate, and Nintendo doesn't own it.
Unless there's a specified clause with regards to the game titles and their assets, I wouldn't expect anything from W101 or B2 to land on anything not the Wii-U.
B3 and W102? Hey now.
I think it's strange Nintendo didn't buy the IP, it can't be very valuable to Sega, and who else would want it? Platinum I guess, possibly, but that's about it.
Microsoft funded and published Mass effect. I am sure you know what happened. sega holds the IP, sega funds helped platinum develop engine for bayonetta , which I would assume would be at core same with upgrade for bayonetta 2.
Nobody gives there IP away for nothing or use the engine they paid for nothing. Without knowing what agreement was between Nintendo and sega you can't say it won't go MP.
Personally not saying it will happen . just saying that owner of IP is the person who can gurantee it's fate, and Nintendo doesn't own it.
it's the one who puts money on the game who can guarantee the fate of a game.
who owns the ip gets a check and can develop a sequel
I think it's strange Nintendo didn't buy the IP, it can't be very valuable to Sega, and who else would want it? Platinum I guess, possibly, but that's about it.
Considering the size of this thread I think it's safe to say so called Bayo fans show some wonderful support for an IP they loved so much the publisher deemed it unworthy of funding a sequel.
It's basically like if Shenmue 3 is released as a Vita exclusive and the only thing people cry is "Will it come elsewhere?" instead of "Great a new entry is being made".
Some great hypocrites in this thread (and that other one) indeed.
Way to read the rest of the post. Yeah Sega owns the IP. But the best that they can do is get a check and make Bayonetta 3 multiplatform. Its completely up to Nintendo what happens to Bayonetta 2.Sega.
That's a good question, check the end of any trailer, at the bottom it will say Bayonetta is a registered trademark of ???. That's who owns it.Do we know this as a fact? In any case it might be worth seeing how it performs first. After a few Fatal Frames Nintendo decided to invest more in the series.
Neither Platinum nor Nintendo owns the Bayonetta IP. If Sega decides to have its IP ported to other consoles, they have fuck all to say about it.
Sega.
They might own the IP, but considering Nintendo funds this particular game, it's likely they own everything else (like all Bayonetta 2 specific designs and assets), in which case Sega can't port anything. Also: Contracts.Neither Platinum nor Nintendo owns the Bayonetta IP. If Sega decides to have its IP ported to other consoles, they have fuck all to say about it.
That's the interesting thing: Unlike with other games, neither the Bayonetta 2 trailers nor the websites have a copyright notice anywhere. Maybe it's in flux, or the companies are not ready to announce the details of their collaboration.That's a good question, check the end of any trailer, at the bottom it will say Bayonetta is a registered trademark of ???. That's who owns it.
The person who 'calls the shots' is the person who has the publishing rights, not the IP, not the engine, not the studio who made it. Right now, that's Nintendo, and without looking at the contract, we will probably never know if they retain them forever, unless of course it is ported, but I seriously doubt that.
Way to read the rest of the post. Yeah Sega owns the IP. But the best that they can do is get a check and make Bayonetta 3 multiplatform. Its completely up to Nintendo what happens to Bayonetta 2.
yes,sega has the rights to port the bayo franchise around.
but not to port THIS bayonetta
Nintendo co-owns the W101 IP. I guess they could make a "spiritual sequel" called Awesome 102, though.
That's very odd yeah. The first Bayo site still says Sega owns the IP, but that could easily be a case of not updating it.That's the interesting thing: Unlike with other games, neither the Bayonetta 2 trailers nor the websites have a copyright notice anywhere. Maybe it's in flux, or the companies are not ready to announce the details of their collaboration.
You have no idea what you're talking about and its pointless to talk to you anymore.The rest of the post is wrong. Publishers give money to devs all the time, particularly in the form of an advance on sales. That doesn't mean that they have any rights concerning the fate of the game.
yes,sega has the rights to port the bayo franchise around.
but not to port THIS bayonetta
if they want to make a bayo 3 on ps4,sure
if they want to make Bayonetta:Magic Brawl on durango,sure
if they want to convert the game nintendo paid the development for on a sony or microsoft console,no way in hell.
holding the rights of something,means that if someone wants to use that property,they have to pay you for it.that's all it is.
It's not Marvel who has control over the Avenger's movie "destiny",it's the company who made it and gave money to Marvel to use those characters that has that control.
i know,thanks for the remainder though
Could be me, but it kind of sounds like the whole Goldeneye thing. Or would this be completely different?I'd say if a port happens, it would be because they let their publishing rights expire somehow, several years down the line. But this also assumes a mouse trap-like set of circumstances that allows that to happen and also assumes Sega is interested in releasing Bayonetta 2 on long-dead systems, presumably without Platinum there to gussy it up.
The only way it is 100% exclusive is if the console maker owns the IP.
The rest of the post is wrong. Publishers give money to devs all the time, particularly in the form of an advance on sales. That doesn't mean that they have any rights concerning the fate of the game.
Just like THIS Mass Effect wasn't ported to anything other than the 360 because MS funded it, right?
I think people confuse what happens with what can legally happen.How did those ports of MGS Twin Snakes turn out?
Indeed, they also fail to understand that if it werent for Nintendo we wouldnt even be getting Bayo 2.
Again , MS funded development and publish Mass Effect. yet it still went MP because EA owned the IP.
There is no way you can gurantee it won't go MP , unless you know the contract between the parties.
chances are small. But not impossible
I think people confuse what happens with what can legally happen.
Has Twin Snakes been ported? No. Is it because it can't be? Probably not. It wasn't ported to Wii, it wasn't ported to 3DS, so far it hasn't been ported to Wii U, and almost certainly won't.
It's never been ported because they don't want to port it. They said on the KojiPro podcast it's not in the HD Collection because it's not 'a Kojima' game. They could be lying, certainly you can't trust people who have any vested interest in good PR, but in that instance, I'm inclined to believe them, because they could have ported TTS to at least three systems since launch, and it's been left rotting on a shelf.
You have no idea what you're talking about and its pointless to talk to you anymore.
Wonderful 101 there's probably no chance, but Bayonetta 2...
I think you should ask Sega, not Nintendo.
Why are people so opposed to owning a Nintendo console?
I said they wouldn't. I don't think Bayonetta 2 is going anywhere. Well, it'd be stupid to say forever, but in any practical amount of time, I think it'll be exclusive personally.What makes you think that Sega have any interest in porting a game they didn't want to fund? And why should we expect that to happen?
Don't miss the fact that they'd have to market it too and that they're scaling back development at the moment.
Not enough games of interest and two other "real next-gen" consoles are coming out.
Some contracts have expiration dates. Not to say bayo 2 doesn't but then again Microsoft didn't pay for bioshock or mass effects development, did they?Heh. Well please, with your better knowledge, educate me and explain how exactly Mass Effect ended up ported on multiple systems by multiple devs when Microsoft funded the original 360 version? Or Bioshock? Or so many other examples.
So, unless there was a very specific contract in the case of Bayonetta 2, of which no one here knows anything about, in the current situation (Platinum devs, Nintendo funds, Sega owns the IP) there is nothing preventing Sega from asking anyone to port the SAME game a year down the line on other systems.
That's very odd yeah. The first Bayo site still says Sega owns the IP, but that could easily be a case of not updating it.
EDIT: Bayo just got published on PSN actually, there must be some up to date legal shit on there.
EDIT2: https://store.sonyentertainmentnetw...etta/cid=EP0177-NPEB01134_00-00BAYONETTAHDDEU
As of now, it's still Sega's. But funnily enough, I wondered why they put Bayo on PSN so recently, seemed strange, I guessed it was because they intended to put it on PS+ in the next few months, but maybe it's because if Sega doesn't do it while they own the IP, they can't afterwards. Who knows.
I said they wouldn't. I don't think Bayonetta 2 is going anywhere. Well, it'd be stupid to say forever, but in any practical amount of time, I think it'll be exclusive personally.
Some contracts have expiration dates. Not to say bayo 2 doesn't but then again Microsoft didn't pay for bioshock or mass effects development, did they?
Oh, that'd be rad. A Wii U port of Bayo 1 to go with Bayo 2? God damn. They can finally v-sync that wonder.I had a little hunch that this is Sega trying to score some last minute sales and if Nintendo is really going to try and buy the IP they'll publish Bayo 1 on eShop themselves. A greater chance I'm wrong of course, but some food for thought.
Not enough games of interest and two other "real next-gen" consoles are coming out.
that if nintendo sells back to sega the rights of publishing the title.
but i have to ask you.why they would do that?
Why you guys worry about this? Bayonetta 2 is exclusive. Bayonetta 3 is not.
-but then again I have a feeling that the game will bomb and franchise ending up dead-
as shockingalberto already said,there are two possible explanation for that.
1)Ea bough the publishing rights from microsoft when they bought bioware (just like microsoft did with the publishing rights of rare's games)
again, why would MS sell publishing right to EA? Especially unlike bayonetta , Mass effect was a sales hit?
I think Mass Effect 1, and oddly the BioShock PS3 DLC, are really strange instances of exclusives ending so long after they matter.again, why would MS sell publishing right to EA? Especially unlike bayonetta , Mass effect was a sales hit?