Majukun
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no,you should ask nintendo for that too.
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Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 to stay as Wii U Exclusives
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no,you should ask nintendo for that too.
Microsoft funded and published Mass effect. I am sure you know what happened. sega holds the IP, sega funds helped platinum develop engine for bayonetta , which I would assume would be at core same with upgrade for bayonetta 2.
Nobody gives there IP away for nothing or use the engine they paid for nothing. Without knowing what agreement was between Nintendo and sega you can't say it won't go MP.
Personally not saying it will happen . just saying that owner of IP is the person who can gurantee it's fate, and Nintendo doesn't own it.
Neither Platinum nor Nintendo owns the Bayonetta IP. If Sega decides to have its IP ported to other consoles, they have fuck all to say about it.
Fair enough, however diddy kong racing is part of the DK ip; which nintendo owns and created.
rare never had any leverage on that property.
The fact that Sega chose to CANCEL the development of this game, says enough on this matter, i think.
Yes this is their ip, but they weren't even confident enough to foot the bill for it, it so why would they bother spending money to bring it to other consoles. Hey, maybe if they ask nintendo to pay for that too.
Majukun
Member
it's the one who puts money on the game who can guarantee the fate of a game.
who owns the ip gets a check and can develop a sequel
Allan Holdsworth
Member
Nintendo co-owns the W101 IP. I guess they could make a "spiritual sequel" called Awesome 102, though.
Why would they? Nobody wanted to do anything with it besides Nintendo. Waste of money I say.
Aquamarine
Member
When EA bought BioWare, they also bought all of the rights to their IP. Microsoft sold them the rights to Mass Effect.
The point is, Nintendo owns the rights to Bayonetta 2 / The Wonderful 101. If Nintendo wants to sell them to another company, they can go right ahead. But if they want to keep it exclusive, it's staying exclusive.
Sega.
Do we know this as a fact? In any case it might be worth seeing how it performs first. After a few Fatal Frames Nintendo decided to invest more in the series.
Projectjustice
Banned
Indeed, I they also fail to understand that if it werent for Nintendo we wouldnt even be getting Bayo 2.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Way to read the rest of the post. Yeah Sega owns the IP. But the best that they can do is get a check and make Bayonetta 3 multiplatform. Its completely up to Nintendo what happens to Bayonetta 2.
The person who 'calls the shots' is the person who has the publishing rights, not the IP, not the engine, not the studio who made it. Right now, that's Nintendo, and without looking at the contract, we will probably never know if they retain them forever, unless of course it is ported, but I seriously doubt that.
That's a good question, check the end of any trailer, at the bottom it will say Bayonetta is a registered trademark of ???. That's who owns it.
Majukun
Member
yes,sega has the rights to port the bayo franchise around.
but not to port THIS bayonetta
if they want to make a bayo 3 on ps4,sure
if they want to make Bayonetta:Magic Brawl on durango,sure
if they want to convert the game nintendo paid the development for on a sony or microsoft console,no way in hell.
holding the rights of something,means that if someone wants to use that property,they have to pay you for it.that's all it is.
It's not Marvel who has control over the Avenger's movie "destiny",it's the company who made it and gave money to Marvel to use those characters that has that control.
i know,thanks for the remainder though
They might own the IP, but considering Nintendo funds this particular game, it's likely they own everything else (like all Bayonetta 2 specific designs and assets), in which case Sega can't port anything. Also: Contracts.
That's the interesting thing: Unlike with other games, neither the Bayonetta 2 trailers nor the websites have a copyright notice anywhere. Maybe it's in flux, or the companies are not ready to announce the details of their collaboration.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Yeah, pretty much this.
Nintendo could let the rights expire if such a provision is written in to the contract or they could sell the rights back to Sega (or whoever, but most likely Sega is there were to happen).
I'd say if a port happens, it would be because they let their publishing rights expire somehow, several years down the line. But this also assumes a mouse trap-like set of circumstances that allows that to happen and also assumes Sega is interested in releasing Bayonetta 2 on long-dead systems, presumably without Platinum there to gussy it up.
The rest of the post is wrong. Publishers give money to devs all the time, particularly in the form of an advance on sales. That doesn't mean that they have any rights concerning the fate of the game.
Just like THIS Mass Effect wasn't ported to anything other than the 360 because MS funded it, right?
Essentially what I'm getting at. Like Dark Souls.
That's very odd yeah. The first Bayo site still says Sega owns the IP, but that could easily be a case of not updating it.
EDIT: Bayo just got published on PSN actually, there must be some up to date legal shit on there.
EDIT2: https://store.sonyentertainmentnetw...etta/cid=EP0177-NPEB01134_00-00BAYONETTAHDDEU
As of now, it's still Sega's. But funnily enough, I wondered why they put Bayo on PSN so recently, seemed strange, I guessed it was because they intended to put it on PS+ in the next few months, but maybe it's because if Sega doesn't do it while they own the IP, they can't afterwards. Who knows.
Zen_Arcade
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You have no idea what you're talking about and its pointless to talk to you anymore.
Again , MS funded development and publish Mass Effect. yet it still went MP because EA owned the IP.
There is no way you can gurantee it won't go MP , unless you know the contract between the parties.
chances are small. But not impossible
Hot Coldman
Banned
Wonderful 101 will probably get a shout-out in Smash 4.
Could be me, but it kind of sounds like the whole Goldeneye thing. Or would this be completely different?
Shin Johnpv
Member
How did those ports of MGS Twin Snakes turn out?
Majukun
Member
as shockingalberto already said,there are two possible explanation for that.
1)Ea bough the publishing rights from microsoft when they bought bioware (just like microsoft did with the publishing rights of rare's games)
2)Microsoft just contributed to part the development in exchange of a temporary exclusive
but again,have the rights means you can use that franchise or can sold the possibility to do so to others.
it doesn't mean you possess everything is made using those rights...why ANYONE would ever make some license-related media if they don't have power over it?
I think people confuse what happens with what can legally happen.
Has Twin Snakes been ported? No. Is it because it can't be? Probably not. It wasn't ported to Wii, it wasn't ported to 3DS, so far it hasn't been ported to Wii U, and almost certainly won't.
It's never been ported because they don't want to port it. They said on the KojiPro podcast it's not in the HD Collection because it's not 'a Kojima' game. They could be lying, certainly you can't trust people who have any vested interest in good PR, but in that instance, I'm inclined to believe them, because they could have ported TTS to at least three systems since launch, and it's been left rotting on a shelf.
I guess they show their true colors now.
I guess publishers and devs are right in ignoring the vocal minorities each and every time...
yes even DmC, if the game fails it's not because people wanted something but that people didn't want this, that's the only certainty
Majukun
Member
that if nintendo sells back to sega the rights of publishing the title.
but i have to ask you.why they would do that?
What makes you think that Sega have any interest in porting a game they didn't want to fund? And why should we expect that to happen?
Don't miss the fact that they'd have to market it too and that they're scaling back development at the moment.
Heh. Well please, with your better knowledge, educate me and explain how exactly Mass Effect ended up ported on multiple systems by multiple devs when Microsoft funded the original 360 version? Or Bioshock? Or so many other examples.
So, unless there was a very specific contract in the case of Bayonetta 2, of which no one here knows anything about, in the current situation (Platinum devs, Nintendo funds, Sega owns the IP) there is nothing preventing Sega from asking anyone to port the SAME game a year down the line on other systems.
Not enough games of interest and two other "real next-gen" consoles are coming out.
I said they wouldn't. I don't think Bayonetta 2 is going anywhere. Well, it'd be stupid to say forever, but in any practical amount of time, I think it'll be exclusive personally.
then they can go play them instead of portbegging about something they dont really care about
Some contracts have expiration dates. Not to say bayo 2 doesn't but then again Microsoft didn't pay for bioshock or mass effects development, did they?
Diddy Kong
Banned
I had a little hunch that this is Sega trying to score some last minute sales and if Nintendo is really going to try and buy the IP they'll publish Bayo 1 on eShop themselves. A greater chance I'm wrong of course, but some food for thought.
Schnozberry
Member
Yeah, it's likely not going anywhere. Sega does own the IP, but who knows what deal they made with Nintendo for this game. Could be a 2 or 3 year contract for exclusive rights. By then nobody in their right mind would care.
Oh, that'd be rad. A Wii U port of Bayo 1 to go with Bayo 2? God damn. They can finally v-sync that wonder.
After Nintendo Direct there are plenty I can list to start a library for Wii U. I find it silly people are going to let Bayonetta's second chance and a new IP suffer because of brand loyalty.
again, why would MS sell publishing right to EA? Especially unlike bayonetta , Mass effect was a sales hit?
Ah yes Bayo 3 a sequel to a game they didn't want to fund?
this one will be kickstarted?
EA didn't buy anything from MS.
A publisher gets the rights to publish something that is not their own creation in a specific context. eg, MS and Mass Effect (A bioware and then EA IP) on the 360.
The only case in which EA would have had to buy anything from MS is if they wanted to republish the game on the 360 themselves. That's it.
It's just like stuff based on books. Someone wanting to make a game based on a book doesn't get the rights to do so from the publisher of a movie adaptation but from the book's author. And the owner of the rights for movie distribution doesn't have anything to say about that game.
Majukun
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because the franchise was already migrating to sony's console,and probably because EA,big as it is,made a really good offer .
plus mass effect one already sold everything he had to sold already when the mass effect 1 came to ps3
I think Mass Effect 1, and oddly the BioShock PS3 DLC, are really strange instances of exclusives ending so long after they matter.
Mass Effect was clearly locked down for years, or EA would have ported it before they ported ME2, there was no sales reason to wait, it would have helped ME3 on PS3 actually. So we could assume they weren't legally able to port it until they did. The same with the BioShock DLC. When you publish a late port on PS3 or 360, the first parties require additional exclusive content to compensate the userbase, but after these three or four years, this piece of exclusive content is now allowed to be ported to 360.
I imagine there is just elements of these contracts that are about their long term viability, and we just hadn't seen it come up until now.