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Xbone PR: the 60 Minute Family Plan Revelation
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Sidewinder
Member
That's a good idea, will consider this in a couple of years. Kinect needs to be optional/unplugable till then though
travisbickle
Member
PSN+ is a fully working subscription service that exists for the PS3 .
XBone sharing was a single webpage document written by the MS advertising team to try to curb dissent for DRM. It didn't exist so it would be difficult to make changes to it.
OriginalNameGuy
Member
The future of gaming they said. The One is worse because of us they said.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
A rubbing feces on the face blast? Yippee lol
AuthenticM
Member
what a fuckload of shit.
King Beyond the wall
Member
I believe that in the interview you are talking about major Nelson's exact words were that the son can 'check it out'.
This is so shitty even for MS, try to fool gamers with crap like this. It's starting to feel personal for me now. I was considering getting a XBone down the road once they backtracked on their DRM shit but this news is enough for me to never buy their trojan horse. An industry dominated by MS is not good for gamers period. No way i'm supporting them in that goal, no fucking way.
So why are they taking family share mode out if all it really is is OS and Xbox Live support for demos? Spite? It wasn't actually implemented yet and its no longer worth it to invest the resources to create it (I believe the pastebin post said it was ready to go.)?
I'd actually think most publishers would still like family sharing because it means they don't have to create separate demo versions of games on their own dime.
I'd actually think most publishers would still like family sharing because it means they don't have to create separate demo versions of games on their own dime.
Or they could just let MS make a special 1 hour mode like PS+ 1 hour demos.
I knew there was a major catch to this. It made no sense that you could share a game with 10 people but not lend a game to someone. Also publishers were never going to let it happens like most hoped it would be.
Neuromancer
Member
It only ever existed to take the sting out of not being able to simply hand a game over to someone else for them to borrow.
TheJollyCorner
Member
this has been, without a fucking doubt, the most fascinating rollercoaster of a new system reveal I have ever seen.
I can't even wrap my head around it all.
What will be next?
I can't even wrap my head around it all.
What will be next?
Most of the people at Teamxbox forums are in Sony's camp now. So it's not that biased.
If their plan was somehow to string everyone along with this feature and never tell us what it actually is it doesn't make sense for Major Nelson to have promised to track down details either.
Once again, not really doubting the confirmation of the sixty minute thing, just trying to somehow figure out some nugget of logic or motivation behind their actions over the week of E3 and early this week.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Nelson brings up the family share a couple times in this interview. Interesting stuff but its kind of funny that no details were really given.
oh and a bonus is him asnwering the question: will you guys make any changes after Sony's announcement.
Major Nelson /r/ games interview.
also.. her follow up.
same stuff AngryJoe said.. PR sharks circling making people feel awkward.
Major Nelson Follow-up
she talks about it up until about 3:15
oh and a bonus is him asnwering the question: will you guys make any changes after Sony's announcement.
Major Nelson /r/ games interview.
also.. her follow up.
same stuff AngryJoe said.. PR sharks circling making people feel awkward.
Major Nelson Follow-up
she talks about it up until about 3:15
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Nah he doesn't flat out say this, he says instead that his son can "check it out". He uses the words "check it out" quite a few times, haha. Fucking weaselly cunt.
longdi
Banned
I knew it! So much for losing a "next generation" feature. Only the pure and naive would think the fake-mily sharing is real.
I would throw my hat in the ring and say MS's last minute concentrated push on this vague "feature" really serves as their counter-bait should they drop the whole DRM bit, which they did and so you are seeing forums threads lamenting the lost of fake-mily sharing.
Now DRM is a good guy...so the pure and naive wants me DRM....next time....please MS....give it to us...
A very slimy move imo...not impossible for Team Don Matrix.
I would throw my hat in the ring and say MS's last minute concentrated push on this vague "feature" really serves as their counter-bait should they drop the whole DRM bit, which they did and so you are seeing forums threads lamenting the lost of fake-mily sharing.
Now DRM is a good guy...so the pure and naive wants me DRM....next time....please MS....give it to us...
A very slimy move imo...not impossible for Team Don Matrix.
RustyNails
Member
I have no idea whats going on anymore. Can someone make a timeline and show why this is bad? Sorry
I have no idea whats going on anymore. Can someone make a timeline and show why this is bad? Sorry
here is a simpified overview of MS' activities since just before E3
He is saying "check it out from my library" which has a somewhat different connotation than "hey, check this out" since implies a longer checking out period and that others can't use it. It is another example of them apparently using deceptive language for an incredibly temporary PR boost that would inevitably followed up by another PR disaster. Which seems insane even for their bad PR.
astroturfing
Member
oh come on man.. Larry is a nice guy! he's soooo down to earth and easy to talk to. why do you gotta be so mean to him!? he's just doing his job
Mermandala
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crazy_wings_on_a_snake
weekend_warrior
Banned
This is such bullshit.
If it was such a great feature why is everyone from Microsoft being so vague and having a hard time explaining why it so great? So either it was a glorified demo system or they couldn't get publishers to agree to it.
And not only that but taking it out makes no sense if all they had to do was take off DRM on disc games and remove the 24h check when logged into your own console. It was still work, in theory, with downloaded games.
Microsoft is really full of shit.
If it was such a great feature why is everyone from Microsoft being so vague and having a hard time explaining why it so great? So either it was a glorified demo system or they couldn't get publishers to agree to it.
And not only that but taking it out makes no sense if all they had to do was take off DRM on disc games and remove the 24h check when logged into your own console. It was still work, in theory, with downloaded games.
Microsoft is really full of shit.
CBOAT's track record flies in the face of any and all doubters. TeamXbox would jump right on the train if he leaked negative about Sony.
Interesting development, taken from another thread. Who to believe?
Well we know it wasn't a time limited demo.
A one hour demo wouldn't even make sense because with their DRM they could have offered a one hour trial for every game on their marketplace.
But of course there are going to be those Microsoft haters that deny it.
"Corporate pawns trying to sell their anti-consumer policies."
I guess we'll only really know when it is (hopefully) released later for digital purchases.
Garrett 2U
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Quadraphonic
Member
All I can think is that there's 'no time limit' because they were working with publishers to get different limits. I don't know. I think they've given up the word play and are just straight up lying now since it's gone and no one will ever debunk them with proof.
CambriaRising
Member
It would be stupid for him to corroborate this.
I think the theory is sound that they were going to do the 1 hour limit thing, then decided after so much backlash over other policies that they had better throw a bone to consumers so they actually did attempt to do what they said where you can share with your "family" for unlimited amount of time but hadn't hammered out the actual policy at that time.
I'm guessing publishers told them to go fuck themselves as that would end up with worse revenues than used game sales and so they had no choice but to drop everything back to "old school" policies.
I tend to believe an insider more so than a figurehead for a company that has a very strong history of anti-consumer/monopolistic behavior. As a shareholder for MS, Greenberg would monetarily incentivized to lie. Bad word of mouth = stock prices go down = less money for him.
This could also be a very sound explanation.
This could also be a very sound explanation.
Garrett 2U
Member
I think the theory is sound that they saw the pre-orders of PS4 destroying XboxOne and had no choice to drop everything back to "old school" policies lol.
The consumer not accepting their vision by 8:1 numbers is pretty large.
It is Microsoft's own fault for not conveying features like this and keeping so tight lipped.
Angelus Errare
Banned
For a feature MS keeps saying is exactly as it reads, I have to ask.
1. Why did they never play this up at E3 in any capacity?
2. Why did they never demo this simple straight forward no PR twist feature?
3. Why did they never give us straight answers PR mouthpieces were asked about it.
4. In the face of all the spinning they were doing over the DRM situation to include their horrendous attempts at trying to convey the plus sides to DRM in the various interviews...why did they never speak about family sharing as a plus? Go read any of the pre-approved one on one interviews, they never talk it up, never speak about how amazing it was.
People are so quick to believe this particular set of PR, yet in the same time, did a shitload of mental gymnastics and reaching to prove Sony really wasn't going the noDRM route, that there was a catch and everyone was suckers and that they're lying.
Hypocrites much?
1. Why did they never play this up at E3 in any capacity?
2. Why did they never demo this simple straight forward no PR twist feature?
3. Why did they never give us straight answers PR mouthpieces were asked about it.
4. In the face of all the spinning they were doing over the DRM situation to include their horrendous attempts at trying to convey the plus sides to DRM in the various interviews...why did they never speak about family sharing as a plus? Go read any of the pre-approved one on one interviews, they never talk it up, never speak about how amazing it was.
People are so quick to believe this particular set of PR, yet in the same time, did a shitload of mental gymnastics and reaching to prove Sony really wasn't going the noDRM route, that there was a catch and everyone was suckers and that they're lying.
Hypocrites much?
John Caboose
Member
This post is extremely inaccurate. The 1 hour thing is how long you can stay offline when using your profile on another console. The 24h is how long you can stay offline on your own console. That's it.
With the debunking by MS now out I hope we can put this time limit bullshit to rest.
JakkuFurosu
Member
Oh. Microsoft says the 1hour thing is not true.
Well wrap it up we done here
Well wrap it up we done here
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Yeah, our marvelous yet to be specified feature that now will remain unreleased forever, was indeed marvelous and in no way we tried to phony our users into thinking that to compensate our draconian DRM we were going to add a more damaging feature to first hand sales.
To be loged on and access to someone library shouldn't you be....online?.
Seems you're adding an explanation that MS never did or specified. Their whole message was ambiguous and confusing for some reason.
bonesmccoy
Banned
At this point, there's very little reason to suspect any of these public-facing executives are providing accurate information: It's very easy to make this kind of declaration, and then later engage in some kind of dissembling when contrary information comes to light. They've given consumers every reason to be suspicious and cynical.
The trust gap Microsoft's Xbox division has created is a massive problem for the brand going forward.
True Underdog
Member
Interesting development, taken from another thread. Who to believe?
What they described was vague as shit and nobody seemed to know the details.
Well Microsoft exactly explained what that referenced one hour thing was about:
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected
I don't really know how we got to that being some secret hidden message about the family share plan, except that both things involve an increment of an hour.
SwiftDeath
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John Caboose
Member
Exactly. It seems anything, even taken severely out of context, can be used to bash MS/Xbox One.
Interesting development, taken from another thread. Who to believe?
The person that said that though cant tell the difference between a demo and what family share offered.
Demo's are extremely limited. Set mission/MP map etc, barely lasting 10min in the majority of cases.
Family share was full access to the game for a one hour period.
MS's own policies released (the one hour check in) supports CBOAT's version rather than Greenberg's. Especially when you consider MS are still on a damage limitation exercise. They will say anything to distance themselves from anything DRM related
JetBlackPanda
Member
SwiftDeath
Member
The original start of this rumor was from an article/blog post that was supposedly written by an xbox employee
In it he discusses the family share plan and how it can allow for 15-45 mins of demo like play, maybe up to an hour on some games
Cboat than confirmed the 60 min limit
It was not started at all by the friends online check in requirement
And anyone who says that the friends check in somehow lends credence to this doesn't really understand what we're talking about to be honest
John Caboose
Member
The 1 hour thing is how long you can stay offline when using your profile on another console. That's it. If you had taken 2 minutes to read the actual thing you could see for yourself.
Let's say for a second it was true. Do you really think MS would ever admit to that with all this negativity surrounding them right now? There's no way. I don't know why anyone would doubt CBOAT given his track record.