Panties in a bunch much? You sound like you speak for MSFT.
It's been proven hundreds of times that GDDR5 latency is not higher.
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AMD: PlayStation 4 supports hUMA, Xbox One does not
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Panties in a bunch much? You sound like you speak for MSFT.
It's been proven hundreds of times that GDDR5 latency is not higher.
googleplex
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velociraptor
Junior Member
Just out of interest, what do you feel are the best looking launch titles?
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
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Da fuck? Well, gotta hit that 60 fps somehow. But a static lighting system? Jeez...
We need to borrow CBOAT's bidet for this thread.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It's pretty early days yet, but looking at the XB1 games so far I think the console will be fine.
You're kidding me, right? I'm referring to both consoles. Just because you have more power this time around in both consoles doesn't mean that any and all technical challenges that might ever arise are instantly solved by that extra power. There will still be plenty of situations this generation where developers will find it more effective to fake something rather than do it for real, and this will be true on both the PS4 and XB1.
You're kidding me, right? I'm referring to both consoles. Just because you have more power this time around in both consoles doesn't mean that any and all technical challenges that might ever arise are instantly solved by that extra power. There will still be plenty of situations this generation where developers will find it more effective to fake something rather than do it for real, and this will be true on both the PS4 and XB1.
phosphor112
Banned
It's true. I called it when the first footage came out.
I was called a troll. People said I nitpicked, etc. I said they wouldn't have day/night cycle.
It was all confirmed.
Still no apologies. =[
Nothing wrong with that at all.
Bringer Of Bacon
Member
#gamechanger
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
i'm sure most racing game enthusiasts would trade drive clubs dynamic lighting for pre-baked lighting if it means getting 60fps....
I literally LoL'd at this comment...
You've just gone off on a tirade about someone attributing something to an AMD employee that wasn't actually said...
And then you turn around and COMEPLETELY misquote the AMD email and say that the email says the PS4 doesn't have hUMA...oh man...
Both APU's would have LONG been designed and delivered at that point...and I thought the article was written today which stated that?
dragonbane
Member
I'm pretty sure AMD knows what they are talking about. However, it will probably take a little while before devs are going to make good use of it. Similar to GPGPU like Cerny already explained. Over time the gap should get wider, but you won't see it that much in launch titles.
That being said, there is probably some truth to the rumour that multiplats run better on PS4. It's popping up way too much recently to just be all bullshit.
That being said, there is probably some truth to the rumour that multiplats run better on PS4. It's popping up way too much recently to just be all bullshit.
well done. I applaud you sirBack against the wall and odds
With the strength of Cerny and a cause
Your specs are called outstanding
You're architecturally complex
Against the grain of fanboyish claims
Not the thoughts your actions entertain
And you
Have proved
To be
A real hUMA thing, and a real hero
Real hUMA thing, and a real hero
Real hUMA thing, and a real hero
Real hUMA thing
Song
Except they don't. Ryse has pretty bad texturing and detail compared to Killzone Shadowfall and Forza, do you really think it looks better than DriveClub?
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/08/20/forza-gameplay-cruising-in-a-ferrari-gamescom-2013
One is less detail at 60fps and the other is more detail (much larger 3D environments) at 30, hard to judge. Not too mention that Forza 5 prebakes it's lighting while Driveclube does not and uses accurate reflections.
BleachAndPepsi
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Even more excited than I was yesterday.
Thank you, Based Cerny.
According to the OP, AMD (the people making the GPU for both consoles) says this isn't a "little difference."
Thank you, Based Cerny.
According to the OP, AMD (the people making the GPU for both consoles) says this isn't a "little difference."
dr_rus
Member
I actually fail to see why Xbox One doesn't support what AMD's calling hUMA too. hUMA is just UMA with cache coherency meaning that all the devices go to the RAM pool via the same cache buffer. May it be that the move engines bypass APU's cache in some way?
Also I don't think that this will give PS4 as much an advantage as AMD's trying to make it sound. They're using this case to market their APUs but the truth is that even NUMA PCs aren't that behind UMA consoles in practice. Difference between UMA and hUMA will be even less noticeable.
Also I don't think that this will give PS4 as much an advantage as AMD's trying to make it sound. They're using this case to market their APUs but the truth is that even NUMA PCs aren't that behind UMA consoles in practice. Difference between UMA and hUMA will be even less noticeable.
User Name Here
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I wonder if that was due to them wanting to include a upgraded Kinect. And the media focus..
You could pin it down to MS focus on creating a media box.
it's a snowball effect of > huge memory footprint to accommodate several operating systems> 8gb ddr3 solution> Esram to compensate for the low bandwidth of ddr3> little space on the die to accommodate a beefier GPU
on the other hand, Sony focus on creating a gaming machine first and foremost paid dividends.
spatenfloot
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Is it possible to look better audibly?
I think it's because the CPU has no access to ESRAM so it's not really unified.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Man, I need to borrow your eyes sometime, because you're seeing some crazy shit.
In 15 minutes no less, if I'm reading the thread right?
Hey XBox support was on the ball on Minecraft exclusivity so I'm sure AMD support is on the ball here.
Don't mind them. They're just in denial & can't handle the truth. It's hilarious, though.
Also what would happen if the data was moved from System ram to esram, and cpu/gpu could not find it in the old location?
velociraptor
Junior Member
Better? No. As good as? Yes
So far, I don't think there is any stand out launch title nor is there any game which clearly looks better than the rest; although KZSF has impressed me the most so far. Ryse is up there though.
Yep. KZSF graphic's smokes Ryse and F5 graphics without any effort
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
The belief that if you wish hard enough, you can make anything come true.
It's the same thing driving people to say that AMD, the people who designed these damn chips, doesn't know what they're talking about.
Treat me like a pirate!!
Second son is top teir for me. It looks smooth as fuck with great visuals. And that is coming from sucker punch a dev that are not really tech gods.
Phire Phox
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Killzone SF is one of them, obviously, but there are games that I find more visually appealing. Maybe it's cause I have more interest in the other games, and that's biasing my opinion, but that's how I see it.
Ryse looks unbelievable based on the SP footage I've seen. I think Ryse's SP is the most next gen looking thing I've seen from a pure graphical standpoint.
Forza 5 looks pretty damn amazing on top of the fact it's running at a native 1080p at 60fps.
Killer Instinct is yet another that looks incredible. I love the game's look, especially a big fan of all those particle effects. I've seen people say "Oh, it's just a fighter, it should look amazing," but I remember seeing a straight up 1080p gameplay video on youtube, and was blown away by how incredible the game looks. It really is a looker. It doesn't matter if it's a fighter, it still looks insane.
And this one only occurred to me yesterday, but the waverace section in Kinect Sports Rivals looks pretty damn unbelievable. I'm not exactly putting it above Killzone and all the rest, though. I just thought it deserved mention as legitimately one of the better looking graphical showcases on the two consoles at launch.
Dead Rising 3 is another game I think looks pretty damn awesome, too. It's only issue is the framerate, but it's got a lot going on I think it's a very good looking game. Great lighting, solid textures, very packed and busy environments, lots of zombies on screen, open world, no loading times etc. But of course all of this becomes far less impressive if they can't fix the framerate.
And although I may not buy it, I gotta give a nod to NFS. That game looks pretty damn amazing for a launch game.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I actually haven't. I'll check it out right now and tell you what I think. Btw, if you happen to have a good link for it, let me get that, because sometimes these videos get posted in so many other places, and the quality is just bizarre compared to what it really looks like.
Okay, just watched it on the official playstation youtube page, and I gotta say, definitely one of the better looking launch games. I was a bit surprised (more than a bit actually) at how good it looked in MP. It looks really damn good. That said, I don't know if its my lack of interest in the game, but I'm not all that excited by what I see, but I can at least look at it and acknowledge that it's undoubtedly a very strong visual presentation that the game has going on, one of the strongest on display of any next gen game so far. I'm not too big a fan of Killzone's visual style, though, but it does look amazing.
Have you seen Kilzone Shadow Fall...? ; )
I disagree strongly with this one. DR3 looks like a last gen game AND has FPS issues
WetPotatoBread
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This is next gen:
fastford58
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Salt mine all up in here.
How about we just wait and see. I'm sure any technical advantages will become quickly apparent.
How about we just wait and see. I'm sure any technical advantages will become quickly apparent.
Out_Of_Ammo
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This is next gen:
I knew it was only a matter of time before this got posted here. So good.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Based on some bad screenshots it does, but if you really watch this game in action without a crappy video feed, it seriously does look incredible. It only enhances my impression of it when you see all that the game has going on. If the framerate is fixed without serious compromises to the visuals of the game, I think it's a very impressive achievement. I'm not seeing a last gen game at all.
It's doing way too much for that classification.
This is next gen:
Is there a video of this gif? Looks amazing.
Can GAF make it a policy not to be able to do graphics comparisons with obvious bull shots? Or can we just call for a ban to bull shots entirely please?
Edit: and looking at the recent postings, I certainly wish devs were more forthcoming of what they're demoing on high end pcs rather than real hardware.
Edit: and looking at the recent postings, I certainly wish devs were more forthcoming of what they're demoing on high end pcs rather than real hardware.