Sure man, that group of harmless joy riders is not capable of dragging someone out of their vehicle and beating them into a bloody pulp. You would've been totally fine.
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The biker that was run over by the SUV in NYC might be paralyzed for life
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Sure man, that group of harmless joy riders is not capable of dragging someone out of their vehicle and beating them into a bloody pulp. You would've been totally fine.
My point is they did that anyway. I'm sure your leet GTA skills would of totally lost all 50 bikers but as we can see it is not that easy.
LaserBuddha
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They totally wouldn't smash your window and drag you out to beat you near to death and SLASH your fucking face and body, just like they totally didn't do that in this very video.
This is the problem isn't it? Nobody knows exactly what they're planning to do and what they are capable of doing. I can imagine the SUV driver thinking "oh, shit! what are they going to do to me? to my family? they're gonna kill me! I gotta run! now!"
You can't blame the SUV driver for fearing for his and his family's safety and try to run away from a bunch of mad mobs who initiated the whole tragic incident.
LaserBuddha
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You don't have a point, and what you say in this post relates in no way to what you said in the last one. No one including you thinks this way when trying to protect themselves. "Well they'll probably get me anyway" is not something you could possibly know and not the way any real person deals with a situation.
They cut this guy up, so what the do you think they would have done if they weren't in the middle of NYC traffic? How the fuck does the end result of this do anything but completely justify the initial flight response? He didn't end up dead, through either whim of the attackers or circumstances or luck, and that proves......what, exactly?
He was scared for his and his families fucking life. Jesus this wasn't a methodical event. Armchair analysis is hilarious.
Run away from 50 bikers, or fight them face to face. 50 to 1. And running away is the odd choice to you? The fuck?
LaserBuddha
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He can see the driver's future from the future, so why can't the driver see his own future from the past? Also, any outcome you live through is a perfectly acceptable one, I guess.
Look I am just saying the steps I would take before running people over because I was scared of some big bad ass bikers.
To be honest I would more likely be riding with the biker group than driving my SUV around. To be even more honest I would probably be off in the woods by myself because I don't like riding in the city. Too many assholes in SUVs!
Disclaimers: I own an SUV, and have a wife and kids. I pop wheelies sometimes on my motorcycle.
/thuglife
To be honest I would more likely be riding with the biker group than driving my SUV around. To be even more honest I would probably be off in the woods by myself because I don't like riding in the city. Too many assholes in SUVs!
Disclaimers: I own an SUV, and have a wife and kids. I pop wheelies sometimes on my motorcycle.
/thuglife
Ingueferroque
Banned
So you are part of the problem, I see.
LaserBuddha
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Walk us through these steps. Bear in mind the only way out is through the bikers who are trying to block you in.
You might be under the impression that they weren't trying to sop and grab this guy until after you see him run over the biker in he video. That is not the case. He isn't just nervous that they are very close to him. There was ill intent from the bikers here before the SUV took off.
This is your rebuttal? You wouldn't have to fight or flight because you're off in the woods alone.
Trying to block him in, or stopping because there was an accident?
It's pretty standard for everyone to stop (yes even on the highway) if someone goes down in a group.
You say they where already smashing up his car and trying to pull him out after the 1st incident but I don't really see that in the video.
It's certainly possible but I would rather wait for the police to investigate than take the drivers word for it.
Wiktor
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At the very least one less person was chasing him and plus there will be one less douchebag driving on streets now. Seems like a win to me.
"I've been mentally scarred, NOW GIVE ME SOME COMPO"
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Preemptive running away.
Wheelies arn't illegal off-road
I think that is half the problem, these kids don't have anywhere to legally ride and do tricks. Not that I support trying to take over the highway and acting like fools but I can at least understand why they are doing it.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Wheelies arn't illegal off-road
I think that is half the problem, these kids don't have anywhere to legally ride and do tricks. Not that I support trying to take over the highway and acting like fools but I can at least understand why they are doing it.
These kids are grown ass adults. Many of them are not even from NYC. There are plenty of places to legally play around off-road instead of the city.
There are two things in the videos. A large group of people being aggressive, and one car being defensive.
In this situation there is absolutely no excuse for the aggression, but there are lots of reasons to at least understand being defensive.
Could the SUV have handled the situation better and still left the scene safely? Maybe.
Could the bikers (even the supposedly innocent one who was ran over while standing in the middle of the freeway, in front of an SUV that was being mobbed by angry assholes) have handled the situation better? Definitely.
There is really no debate to had here.
In this situation there is absolutely no excuse for the aggression, but there are lots of reasons to at least understand being defensive.
Could the SUV have handled the situation better and still left the scene safely? Maybe.
Could the bikers (even the supposedly innocent one who was ran over while standing in the middle of the freeway, in front of an SUV that was being mobbed by angry assholes) have handled the situation better? Definitely.
There is really no debate to had here.
Shamrock7r
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Holy shit that is amazingly bad. He couldn't explain anything except " Um.... Uhhhh... WHat.... Uh..... the SUV guy was a maniac... uhhhhh"
Shamrock7r
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Wheelies arn't illegal off-road
I think that is half the problem, these kids don't have anywhere to legally ride and do tricks. Not that I support trying to take over the highway and acting like fools but I can at least understand why they are doing it.
If only they had a place to perform tricks while weaving in and out of oncoming traffic. Poor kids.
Worth risking your family's life and potentially scarring them. How hard would it have been for the SUV driver to swallow his pride. Dude wasn't backing down to the bikers before the video and brake check happened.
BronsonLee
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Your timeline is way off. You don't see it in the video, no shit. Of course they wouldn't send that out. But that's what happened and that's what's being reported by police and the news. This is a pathetic strawman argument and you're basically giving the benefit of the doubt to a biker gang instead of the terrified family surrounded by them.
Wheelies arn't illegal off-road
I think that is half the problem, these kids don't have anywhere to legally ride and do tricks. Not that I support trying to take over the highway and acting like fools but I can at least understand why they are doing it.
These 'kids' are people with wives and families. They are not fucking teenagers with shitty ATVs or motorcycles (Philly kind of had this problem until they started confiscating and not giving back).
THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE HIGHWAY. Under no fucking circumstance is this ok. They were boxing him in to intimidate him and hurt him.
Either way we're done here. Devil's Advocate again, just in a dumber format.
Wheelies arn't illegal off-road
I think that is half the problem, these kids don't have anywhere to legally ride and do tricks. Not that I support trying to take over the highway and acting like fools but I can at least understand why they are doing it.
Jeeze, I wonder why kids can't have place to legally do tricks and stunts in city highways. It's not like they can cause some dangerous incidents.
SillyEskimo
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The driver could have caused a shitload more damage than he did if his sole goal was hurting people. He was just trying to get away. That's it. For instance, he could have stayed on the highway and rammed every retard biker that was pulling up along side or in front of him. He could've just wrecked fools all day that way. But no, he was in full flight, not fight. It's completely and totally obvious he just wanted to get away from the danger.
Woody Invincible
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I don't understand. How was he supposed to back down. Slow down to 10mph so the shit circus come wheelie around?
People don't just brake check you out of nowhere. Both parties gotta be messing around with each other first. That's like saying a random car just brake checked you for no reason.
uh huh sure a mob of people totally have to be provoked before they'll get in the mindset of trying to intimidate someone and corner them. And attempt to pull people out of a car after THEY breakchecked them.. almost like they were intending to harm the person inside, by getting them to stop.
Paralyzed guy isn't innocent and the victim was well in the clear to use his car in self defense.
SillyEskimo
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Mob mentality. Any doubt I had that the bikers might have had a crippled leg to stand on, it was dragged out of the window and beat in front of it's family when I saw the other videos of these children doing anything they want on their bikes.
CornBurrito
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Yes these are my thoughts as well. But some people are clearly happy that the dude is paralyzed forever.
Psycho_Mantis
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I think this image sums up the situation perfectly:
You ride like an idiot, disobey safety laws, mess with a two ton SUV and then expect to get compensation when you get run over. Get the fuck out of here with that shit, how about no license, no insurance and now paralysed for the rest of your life.
You ride like an idiot, disobey safety laws, mess with a two ton SUV and then expect to get compensation when you get run over. Get the fuck out of here with that shit, how about no license, no insurance and now paralysed for the rest of your life.
Wrong again.
They brake checked him because they were trying to take over the highway. They had other bikers at the off ramps blocking access to the road.
The SUV driver did nothing to provoke them, they're just fucking assholes.
gutter_trash
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the biker did not have a valid license.
driving with a license is not a right, it is a privilege. Driving responsibly and respect the code of the road.
the fact that he didn't have a valid license since forever proves that he never learned to ride with civility and responsibility.
If that biker respected the law, he would not have been paralysed.
a)he wouldn't ride at all because he doesn't have a license.
or
b) if he would have gotten a license, he would have learned the rules of the road and probably ridden more respectfully
driving with a license is not a right, it is a privilege. Driving responsibly and respect the code of the road.
the fact that he didn't have a valid license since forever proves that he never learned to ride with civility and responsibility.
If that biker respected the law, he would not have been paralysed.
a)he wouldn't ride at all because he doesn't have a license.
or
b) if he would have gotten a license, he would have learned the rules of the road and probably ridden more respectfully
Brolic Gaoler
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Except you're not in some movie dude.
They do if they are in groups like this trying to make space for "stuntz."
Moral Panic
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Can someone do a timeline for me? The video is very unclear. From what I gather:
Bikers in town to do tricks etc
Bikers slow down (to let people catch up?)
One biker drives irregularly/brake checks a SUV
???
Guy gets off his bike to see whats going on with his friend and the SUV
SUV runs over guy, seriously injuring him and races away
Brake check guy stays to look after his injured friend
Some bikers chase after SUV catch him
Some bikers assault him/his car
Bikers in town to do tricks etc
Bikers slow down (to let people catch up?)
One biker drives irregularly/brake checks a SUV
???
Guy gets off his bike to see whats going on with his friend and the SUV
SUV runs over guy, seriously injuring him and races away
Brake check guy stays to look after his injured friend
Some bikers chase after SUV catch him
Some bikers assault him/his car
Wheelies arn't illegal off-road
I think that is half the problem, these kids don't have anywhere to legally ride and do tricks. Not that I support trying to take over the highway and acting like fools but I can at least understand why they are doing it.
Bull fucking shit.
They're attention whores. They aren't out shutting down highways to pull off impromptu stunt shows because they can't find a vacant commercial park or empty back roads, they're doing it because they want attention. Many of them are probably attention whores first, riders a distant second, using their bikes as a means to roll around screaming "hey everybody, look at me!"
I'm a rider and I hate this part of our culture just as much as I hate Harleys with loud pipes, because their attention whoring gives the rest of us a bad name. The sooner these types give up riding, the better.
Wheelies arn't illegal off-road
I think that is half the problem, these kids don't have anywhere to legally ride and do tricks. Not that I support trying to take over the highway and acting like fools but I can at least understand why they are doing it.
The track. I go there all the time. Street stunt riding is illegal and dangerous.
Yeah and people on motorcycles don't just drive down streets the wrong way weaving around traffic. I mean, that would be stupid and reckless behavior and people just don't act stupid and reckless for no reason!
People are assholes on the road. Ever see two cars go at it before one decides to cut off the other and brake check. I really see no difference. Both played one just paid the higher price. A lot of you must not commute daily on busy roads.
I drive 50mins to work each morning and an hour after work to get home. Road rage isn't surprising to me.
I drive 50mins to work each morning and an hour after work to get home. Road rage isn't surprising to me.
This is exactly right. The SUV driver was surrounded by 30+ motorcyclists, and one decided to stop in front of him. When they surround his car, the driver is reasonably going to assume they dont just want a chat.
The bikers can consider themselves lucky he only hit one of them and tried to get to safety. Other people might have been panicked enough to give a few sideswipes along the way.
chickdigger802
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sure why not. outside is scary.
PoweredBySoy
Banned
Doubt it. These guys aren't organized - just internet dipshits looking to mob up and and be assholes. "Hollywood Stuntz" lol
I can't believe people are still defending the bikers this thread, it's entertaining. All of the "I would do this" or that in the heat of the situation you wouldn't. You can't predict how you would react to a situation like this, hell military personnel and cops have years of training and still don't react how they are trained sometimes. How you can say you could keep a cool head and do a,b,c is completely ridiculous.
... Um, the bikers themselves are also facing retaliation that's why they are trying to fight this PR war (they are doing a pretty bad job of it).
It blows my mind how defenders keep calling the SUV driver's decision making and personal responsibility into question when faced with the giant list of terrible decisions and crimes Jay Mazee committed just by being there.
The inability of the bikers to take any responsibility for anything while blaming the media, the victims, public perception, and everything else but themselves also contributes to people being completely unsympathetic. But they are obviously not the brightest bunch considering how good of a job they've done incriminating themselves with video evidence.
The inability of the bikers to take any responsibility for anything while blaming the media, the victims, public perception, and everything else but themselves also contributes to people being completely unsympathetic. But they are obviously not the brightest bunch considering how good of a job they've done incriminating themselves with video evidence.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
They were riding on the pavement, running red lights, weaving in and out of opposing traffic, taking short cuts through gas stations, driving without license plates and without licenses in at least some cases all unprovoked. Why do you think this wasn't unprovoked?
I know shit like this doesn't happen here in Florida, at least not this way.
"In other Florida news, 12 bikers got shot today after threatening a driver who was carrying a licensed weapon..."
Down here when someone does something stupid like the bikers in the video, we'd usually say "Are you crazy bro? That's how people get shot."
"In other Florida news, 12 bikers got shot today after threatening a driver who was carrying a licensed weapon..."
Down here when someone does something stupid like the bikers in the video, we'd usually say "Are you crazy bro? That's how people get shot."
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