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The Walking Dead: Season 2 - Reveal Teaser

Not it made the story lazy. They don't show how we mold her and we don't know if she was ready for the zombie world.

Were you not paying attention? They show this many many times. Hell, the ending even emphasizes this with Clem taking charge when Lee can't.

Do you need everything spelled out for you?
 

marrec

Banned
Not it made the story lazy. They don't show how we mold her and we don't know if she was ready for the zombie world.

No, the lazy way to finish this story is what they're doing now. What they did at the end of Season 1 was bold and refreshing... now they've gone and buggered it all up. And I don't know what game you played, but there was very much a focus on getting Clem ready to survive in the world alone.
 
Telltale definitely taking the easy way out by making clem the protagonist. Instead of making a new original story, they are continuing a story that should not be further explored.
 
I hope there's a way to transfer save/story details from my ps3 version of the game to other platforms. I feel stuck on the ps3 because that's where I played the first season : /
 

marrec

Banned
Getting into spoilers:
Lee's only meaning in the post-zombie world was finding redemption by providing protection and guidance to a young girl, helping her survive when she otherwise would not have. He died for that goal, but there's not much value in that if we can't see Clem develop and find her place in the world as a result of his actions. What value does Season 1 have if Clem is assumed or shown to be killed off anyway?

Can't we leave that question to be answered individually instead of shoved down our throats?
 

kingocfs

Member
Telltale definitely taking the easy way out by making clem the protagonist. Instead of making a new original story, they are continuing a story that should not be further explored.

I'm a little concerned about this as well, but I'll definitely give it the chance it deserves.
 

fantomena

Member
Bought. My first pre-order in a long time.

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CrazyDude

Member
No, the lazy way to finish this story is what they're doing now. What they did at the end of Season 1 was bold and refreshing... now they've gone and buggered it all up. And I don't know what game you played, but there was very much a focus on getting Clem ready to survive in the world alone.

And we know nothing of the results from that. We don't know if she was ready or not because Lee is by her side throughout the game.

Can't we leave that question to be answered individually instead of shoved down our throats?

Then don't play this game if you don't want to imagine, but I find being told a story more interesting then "imagining" it. Might as well end the first season at episode 1 so we can "imagine" what happens to them next.
 

Oldschoolgamer

The physical form of blasphemy
I sweartogawd if she dies........

I don't know, what choices would she have?

If she's alone there is no dialogue, if she's with a group, it's likely with adults. Adults don't put children in charge. Adults don't give guns to children. Adults don't take kids seriously.

I'm giving telltale the benefit of the doubt, but like many others, I'm kind of disappointed that we're playing as Clem.

Has nobody read the comics or watched the tv show for this series? The first season of this very game did well in informing the player that any notion of kids and their place in an old society, in this world, needed fixing. They have to pull their weight and be more careful, since they are kids.

Carl is a child on the show and he had to make two decisions harder than his father and the rest of the adults on the show. He's a kid and wouldn't hesitate to off someone if the job needed done, or he needed to protect someone.
 

Bookoo

Member
I hope there is some type of save editor on PC. My saves kept getting corrupted when I was playing and I don't think I have my saves from last year anymore.
 
Getting into spoilers:
Lee's only meaning in the post-zombie world was finding redemption by providing protection and guidance to a young girl, helping her survive when she otherwise would not have. He died for that goal, but there's not much value in that if we can't see Clem develop and find her place in the world as a result of his actions. What value does Season 1 have if Clem is assumed or shown to be killed off anyway?

We saw that already in the finale. She had become a competent survivor.

And we know nothing of the results from that. We don't know if she was ready or not because Lee is by her side throughout the game.

I am starting to think you haven't played the game. Clem saves Lee's ass on multiple occasions and the entire ending is about Clementine learning to make hard choices. We already know she's ready unless you need to be explicitly told that and can't infer it from her actions.
 

Jarmel

Banned
I sweartogawd if she dies........

Has nobody read the comics or watched the tv show for this series? The first season of this very game did well in informing the player that any notion of kids and their place in an old society, in this world, needed fixing. They have to pull their weight and be more careful, since they are kids.

Carl is a child on the show and he had to make two decisions harder than his father and the rest of the adults on the show.

Carl is still not the leader of the group. He's not making decisions for everybody and rightfully so.
 

marrec

Banned
And we know nothing of the results from that. We don't know if she was ready or not because Lee is by her side throughout the game.

Yep, and now Telltale is going to answer for us regardless of whatever closure we individually took.

I'll still definitely give this game a chance, but this is an awful first impression for me.
 

Werewolf Jones

Gold Member
Glad they made her fully playable, I hope they did something like the choices you made as Lee reflected upon Clementine and made her who she is now.
 

marrec

Banned
Then don't play this game if you don't want to imagine, but I find being told a story more interesting then "imagining" it. Might as well end the first season at episode 1 so we can "imagine" what happens to them next.

You don't really understand the point of open-ended story telling do you?

Then don't play it. Please god don't play this game, so that you almighty imagination may flourish.

Nope, I'm going to play it and judge it based on this lazy storytelling and you can't stop me!

Mwa ha ha ha ha!!!
 

homulilly

Banned
I'm seriously wondering if all the people complaining about Clementine played the same game I did. This is really the only direction they could have (and should have) gone.
 

Hindle

Banned
S1 was Clem learning the ropes from Lee, now we see how she utilises the skills that were taught to her. I'm thinking Telltale are going to give us options based around whether to listen to Lees lessons or have Clem follow her own path.
 
I hope there is some type of save editor on PC. My saves kept getting corrupted when I was playing and I don't think I have my saves from last year anymore.

THIS. I had so much trouble with the save games in the first season it wasn't funny. I played it on two different platforms (Xbox 360 and PC) and BOTH had issues with the save mechanic. How does that even happen?
 

CrazyDude

Member
Carl is still not the leader of the group. He's not making decisions for everybody and rightfully so.

Why does a protagonist have to be the leader?

She
either killed Lee or left him behind. She makes a hard choice just like Lee did. She knows how to forage for food. She knows how to fire a gun. She'll be fine.

How does she know how to forage for food. It was usually Lee and Kenny who went looking for food while they left her behind. Choosing to kill lee or not has no bearing on survival. And she can barley use a gun.
 
Sure she can fight off a zombie without a gun. She's got a claw hammer. I don't think they're going to make her completely useless. I often felt at times they were holding Lee back a bit, so going from that to a little girl isn't a big deal to me.
 

Hindle

Banned
I'm seriously wondering if all the people complaining about Clementine played the same game I did. This is really the only direction they could have (and should have) gone.

Clem has always been the main character of the series. It's just in S1 we were seeing her story from the perspective of a stranger. The stranger being Lee.
 

Derrick01

Banned
This info about it being on the steam store already could have been useful before I spent my nearly $10 in card money over an hour ago. Although I'm not thrilled at the idea of playing as Clem.
 

khaaan

Member
I wonder if (assuming PS4 version is a go) that there'll be a way to carry over my PS3 save. Knowing TellTale's technical mastery, probably not.
 
We saw that already in the finale. She had become a competent survivor.

Can't we leave that question to be answered individually instead of shoved down our throats?

It's not just about Clem learning to survive, it's about what those lessons mean for the person she'll become. In a game where the core conceit is seeing the impact your decisions have on other characters, there's value in seeing the moral blank slate of a young child develop based on her memories of the actions of her caretaker.
 

stuminus3

Member
I can dig this. Even with over 100 issues of the comic and 4 seasons of a TV show out there, Lee and Clem are the only two characters I've come even remotely close to actually caring about.
 

Bookoo

Member
THIS. I had so much trouble with the save games in the first season it wasn't funny. I played it on two different platforms (Xbox 360 and PC) and BOTH had issues with the save mechanic. How does that even happen?


Yea pretty huge oversight.

I played it on PC. Played the first 3 episodes, and then took my PC to my parents house for the holidays and it corrupted on episode 4.

So I was like...fine I will play again. I got through episode 4 in one sitting and went to bed just to wake up the next day and have it corrupt on episode 5.

I tried all the fixes, but just gave up and kept watching the "last time on walking dead" until it matched for the majority of my play through.
 
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