Yea I meant the inverse(and edited the original post), that if they're going to have her disobeying orders as such, then there should be consequences like getting kicked out of the group but I doubt they would go that route as it would probably be too much work and they'll use the excuse of 'kids will be kids' in game.
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The Walking Dead: Season 2 - Reveal Teaser
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Yea I meant the inverse(and edited the original post), that if they're going to have her disobeying orders as such, then there should be consequences like getting kicked out of the group but I doubt they would go that route as it would probably be too much work and they'll use the excuse of 'kids will be kids' in game.
afternoon delight
Member
From the five or six people I know who've played this, we were all hoping for the same. Seeing this disappointment at the focus on her for the first time is a little baffling, but okay.
Personally, I cannot wait and am very glad they went with this direction.
Basically what I think. I don't see how this is the easy way out. Would've been much easier to just throw an adult that instantly becomes the de facto leader of every group he meets. I rolled my eyes a few times in Season 1 at how easily Lee took the lead in many situations.
This, though, this is new. I think it could be great.
EDIT: Beaten by 500 people.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That doesn't matter.
All that matters is what you did in the game had an effect on Clem in the ending.
Projecting real world variables on to what was possible within a programmed video game and a set story is ridiculous.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Can't wait. Not bothering to order on Telltale's site though. They didn't do a CE DVD at the end of Season 1 so why bother with one for Season 2. But I'll be preordering on Steam without a doubt.
The Last of Us? Beyond Two Souls? Gone Home?
Also consider, the thought of having to listen to Clem's voice actor, as the main character, for more than 10 hours, is a complete turn off.
Exactly this.
Why does a the end consequence have to be something that effects her only? What if it subtly changes things within the group. The consequences don't need to scream out at the player. The choices come from how you go about following the order. Based on how you carry out an order, it will change things within the group.
But is also sets up sequel to show the effects change the way she acted.
TWD1 was like the most overrated interactive show of all time.
Not only the writing was not really good and very generic and you can see what will happen from miles away, but all the choices and decisions were just pointless because all of them lead to the same road whatever you pick, sometimes you can't even change anything no matter what you do, it's just awful.
they better work to change their mistakes this time.
Not only the writing was not really good and very generic and you can see what will happen from miles away, but all the choices and decisions were just pointless because all of them lead to the same road whatever you pick, sometimes you can't even change anything no matter what you do, it's just awful.
they better work to change their mistakes this time.
Coffee Dog
Banned
I am not nearly as disappointed in the direction of the second season as I am in the amount of people thinking that it's necessary and that Clem and Lee's story wasn't already done. Just because the character is alive doesn't mean their story needs to continue.
It's like watching Drive and having someone say "He's alive at the end, Drive 2 incoming". It would be pointless narratively.
The story of Clem learning to be a survivor was wrapped up in the final episode of season 1. They could tell a new story with her, and that's why I am optimistic, but a second season is by no means "necessary" as the first season contained a complete narrative and thematic arc.
It's like watching Drive and having someone say "He's alive at the end, Drive 2 incoming". It would be pointless narratively.
The story of Clem learning to be a survivor was wrapped up in the final episode of season 1. They could tell a new story with her, and that's why I am optimistic, but a second season is by no means "necessary" as the first season contained a complete narrative and thematic arc.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Who is saying they do not want to play a little girl. Hell, I'd be more okay with playing another little girl than Clem.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I'd actually think that if they did go that route, some people would complain that they were taking the easy route and just trying to redo what they did in S1 with a Clementine clone.
Lee gave a gun to Clem.
Hell by episode 3 almost every adults wanted to give guns to children (Christa, Kenny, Chuck, Lee etc...) it's not the same world as the beginning of season 1.
We don't even know how old she'll be by the end of the season.
Nothing is necessary. Was it necessary to have Clementine in the first game? No, but they wanted to tell a story about Lee interacting with a little girl. They could have just as easily told a story about Lee only. So why is Clementine the protagonist this time, because they want to tell this story.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
But people aren't saying "siiiigh more Clementine?"
We just don't want to BE Clem because it severely limits the game's ability to have what made Season 1 great.
I don't think you understand the argument against it if you think its just "we don't want to be a kid." The Walking Dead game was about making choices, most of which wouldn't have been realistically possible if Clem was the person making them.
Coffee Dog
Banned
She doesn't have to be a clementine clone if you both play as her and make her a competent enough survivor. It would only be a clem redo if they made you take care of another girl.
MaximoffZero
Banned
So...you cannot imagine a scenario where playing as Clem would work, therefore there isn't any.
And what where things that made season 1 great that is limited here?
Haunted
Member
Doesn't look like it.
Coffee Dog
Banned
That's exactly what I'm saying at least. What made season 1 great? Hard choices, good characters, realistic depiction of post apocalyptic survival.
We shouldn't have to retell the same "raising a little girl" story.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Clem can't plausibly fight a zombie and Clem can't plausibly make consequential decisions in a group of adults.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Both of those are very wrong. She fights a zombie in the last episode and there's no way you could miss that.
And Clem having to prove herself to adults is a perfectly fine concept.
Why not? Carl is the same age and he fighting against people. She has a gun and it's not like zombies are physically strong. And she can make make consequential decisions in a group of adults just because you can't, for some reason, think of such consequences doesn't mean they don't exist.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
She fights a zombie that's already crippled with Lee's help. She can't fight one the way Lee did without a series of contrived situations. Its pretty implausible she could do anything without being almost entirely reliant on adults.
Phrozenflame500
Member
At the end of Season 1 she can shoot a gun and is apparently strong enough to beat a zombie in albeit with repeated blows.
And IMO the fact she's a child would being in a group of survivors more interesting as you need to manipulate people into doing what you want instead of magically taking charge as the alpha adult male you normally are.
Coffee Dog
Banned
This is a non-answer. I am asking for the reason why telltale is reusing clem and you basically say "Because Telltale wants to". Well duh. That answer shouldn't be good enough for anyone.
Also, the main point of my post was how many, yourself included, believe that this is a necessary continuation.
When Lee decided who lived in the first episode, it wasn't because he was a leader (because he wasn't) or because he was an adult, it was because he was at the perfect time and place. The same can apply for many of the decissions.
And who cares if she can or not kill a zombie on her own? (she can, she knows how to shoot) TWD is about surviving and badasses that can open a breach through a zombie horde with a machete die anyway... I say she has more chances of surviving by sneaking around.
Who is to say she will actually join a group? Even if she did, who's to say she would actually listen to the adults?
I don't get it; If I were a gambling man, I'd say this season isn't about fighting zombies head on or to find a new group of people; it's about a kid, all alone growing up in a world where zombies are a constant threat and Clem always needs to watch out for the living. She'll encounter folks, but trusting them? That won't end well.
Necessary because I want to know how Clementine fairs in a world without Lee watching her back. Even at the ending it was Lee telling her what to do.
Coffee Dog
Banned
This is a narrative that I'm seeing being pushed in this thread and it makes me honestly question how many people really understood the point of the entire first season.
Dragon1893
Member
During season 1 I always felt like I was preparing Clem so one day she would be able to to take care of herself. I'm glad I get to see that.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Super excited, can't wait - and can't be happier it's about Clem!
While I liked 400 Days, it shows me that I prefer to see this world through her eyes.
While I liked 400 Days, it shows me that I prefer to see this world through her eyes.
In her first appearance, she saves Lee's life.
MaximoffZero
Banned
Me too. I really like her as a character. I'm glad to see her back. I'm not sure how playing as her is going to go, but I'm open to the idea.
By giving him a hammer at which point lee save his own life with the hammer. Just making that clear.
By giving him a hammer at which point lee save his own life with the hammer. Just making that clear.
Good thing you make it clear, people could get confused and believed that Clem saved Lee by crushing the zombie's face with a karate chop...
Lee's redemption story? Compelling, sure. Good chemistry between Lee and Clem, and an emotional, if not overblown, final scene between the two. But when Lee died, so did my responsibility for Clem.
If not wanting to be a surrogate parent to that annoying child again for Season 2, somehow makes me a close-minded piece of shit, so be it. Forgive me, GAF! I don't want to make her choices!
They could, plausibly, take what people love about Clem (the character they'd built through Season 1) and absolutely ruin her by the end of Season 2 by making her into a monster.
freshmendontod
Member
Yup, pretty much why I trust them in their decision. Also lol at everyone bitching about a child being limited in their abilities. Did anyone see Breaking Bad? Because Walter White really shouldn't have been able to do half of what he did in the show with Cancer.