Yup. May have misread your post, but yeah it's not the day 1 patch.
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COD Ghosts Xbox One offline (2 weeks before launch) not possible without Live?
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BibiMaghoo
Member
So...
MS can now brick consoles entirely at the flick of a swtich? I get they have only banned them until launch, but this means they can ban offline play on unconnected machines, instead of just banning the console from live.
That is pretty fucked up.
MS can now brick consoles entirely at the flick of a swtich? I get they have only banned them until launch, but this means they can ban offline play on unconnected machines, instead of just banning the console from live.
That is pretty fucked up.
Sony can too- basically any system that can push OS firmware updates can.
FaintColt388301
Member
Yes, that's what everybody has already concluded. He'll be fine come launch and so will everybody else when they get the official Day 1 patch. Did you read any of the other comments before posting?
They can as of right now because by them banning you, you don't get the latest SW to make the system operate. I think once the Day 1 patch is live and people get banned post launch your console won't be bricked like his was
BibiMaghoo
Member
Previously, these systems could be banned from live and PSN, and the actual user account could be banned. This does not in any way brick the system, offline play is still possible on both.
Do you have any evidence that Sony will now be capable of bricking systems when banned? I have seen none. This is the first sign of any company being able to do this.
If Sony pushes an update that breaks the OS the same thing will happen.
Basically- nothing to see here. The same thing was possible last gen.
turnbuckle
Member
Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but I don't have the "offline enabled" box on my copy of killzone. But it does say "optional". I like that wording better than "enabled".
BibiMaghoo
Member
No, It was never, ever used. In any situation. This is actually a case of it being used, and you say nothing to see here?
This is the very first time, ever, a system ban has blocked a user from playing offline, in the history of consoles. That is massive. That is not nothing. I disregard the first sentence of your post, because it is unfounded nonsense, you cannot backup in any way.
FaintColt388301
Member
It's not the ban that bricked his console
They didn't brick it on purpose. His OS expired- because it's not final.
There's no conspiracy. It's not massive.
MS certainly had the ability to remote brick systems last gen--I don't think they ever used it, but we know from the dashboard betas that they could target specific updates to specific consoles. All they'd have had to do was target a console with an update that bricked the system/rendered the OS useless, or had an expiration date, and once the user accepted the update prompt, said used would be screwed.
They almost certainly never used the ability, or we'd have heard about it, but that doesn't mean they couldn't do it. They didn't block this guy from offline by bricking his system, here--he's in a weird limbo because the OS he's supposed to have doesn't exist yet, and he stumbled into some temporary OS version for a day. If MS ever strips offline from a omebody with the actual functioning retail OS, a shitstorm will rightly ensue. That's not what happened here.
So they actually, officially confirmed that's what's happened, good to know.
We understand this is obviously an issue that is dear to your heart, but
It's safe to say your mission here is done, you can give it a rest.
NullPointer
Member
Was there final word on this?
FaintColt388301
Member
Just Panello's unconfirmed pre-naptime message
Hatchetforce
Banned
So they actually, officially confirmed that's what's happened, good to know.
We understand this is obviously an issue that is dear to your heart, but
It's safe to say your mission here is done, you can give it a rest.
But he is still on the clock...
Matarese171
Member
This is my copy of Cod : Ghosts for the PS4, no mention of offline play anywhere on it. from Amazon.co.uk
NullPointer
Member
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Hey peterb0y I think you dropped this. Wanted to give it back since figured you cant get back into the building without it.
Jokes aside though, kinda wondering what your angle on the whole situation is since have not seen someone so rabidly defend something since when I came across a family of wild boars in the mountains. Am sure Im not the only one here wondering the same thing.
I'm "rabidly" defending the truth? I barely post on the game side, but the launch has brought out a lot of craziness, which I find interesting. In this case, I was actually up late at night writing a paper, and this topic helped me stay up.
I actually think that you calling me a MS apologist- when I'm actually just defending common sense and rationality- is annoying. Not even getting a Bone likely til Titanfall or after, very excited to get my launch ps4.
FaintColt388301
Member
It's funny how just because you present the facts of an argument or the opposing side others think you have an agenda. Happened to me in another thread. It's nice having somebody who actually understands thing clarify everything rather than a bunch of people making up stuff and grasping at staws
ebullientprism
Member
This astroturfer blame game is getting ridiculous to the point where anyone you disagree with is now an astroturfer. Can people leave this shit to the mods? It does nothing except derail the discussion into pointless fingerpointing.
BibiMaghoo
Member
How are you defending the 'truth' when you say:
There is no truth in that. It is tales from your ass. Show me where anyone has said this is the reason? They have not. The only fact we have is that he was banned from XBL, and now cannot play offline games. You are making up a reason that makes MS not seem like asshats. It is not a reason they have given. That is why you appear to have an agenda.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Is it though?
That implies the guy has an old OS and that's the reason why he is unable to play any games...
Of course it's open to interpretation, so feel free to interpret as you see fit. If you feel it's a tales from an ass excuse, that's more than fair, but that's the only 'legit' info we have to go on and that's what peterboy is referencing. So I'm not sure your post was particularly justified in its claims.
It's not open to interpretation because all-knowing Penello also says:
That there is no DRM. There is no reason why offline play is not working.Albert Penello said:
Its what Penello- really the only solid source of info we have on this subject- said. A software dev came in the thread and said this stuff is typical. You can ignore that, and believe what you want, but I choose to stay away from the conspiracy talk. I'm not a MS apologist- in fact, I've said its really dumb to ship a brick in the way they did- but I'm not gonna follow you down the conspiracy path that many have thrown out in this thread.
I can't.
It's quit clear who has the agenda here in this thread and it's you. We need a mod in here, this throwing around accusations of astroturfing and shills seems to be a way of discounting someone opinions without having to justify why your ignoring it.
Miles Quaritch
Member
DRM has nothing to do with it. The system, in its pre-release state, could be set to check for updates regularly. If the owner has been banned from accessing XBL, the console can't connect to download the new update and in failing to connect would cease to function. Hence why he can't even apparently check the settings menu.
It's not a particularly difficult concept to grasp...
Shit mang you've broken b0y here.
The system still has the pre-180 drm still on it. Which means that the system has to connect to Live to function, which means that offline play is gone if you cannot log in. But that drm is gone. Once the day one patch strips that, your concerns are gone.
Edit: well, guess I should read the informative posts in the thread before attempting to contribute. The DRM is not on retail boxes apparently.
This is all FUD. Since June, it was confirmed that DRM wasn't on the system at all. The day 1 patch doesn't remove DRM, its just the OS.
NullPointer
Member
So much confusion and distrust and so many vague and misleading statements...
Hell, we even have still unfulfilled prophesies.
What a crazy fucking launch.
Hell, we even have still unfulfilled prophesies.
What a crazy fucking launch.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Why wait for insiders? The console is out in less than 11 days....
SEGAvangelist
Member
Have at it guys.
Haha. We need a fun thread title change.
Miles Quaritch
Member
SEGAvangelist
Member
I know... that moneyhat...
Have at it guys.
This is considerably funnier than the expired OS explanation. Hopefully the live OS is supposed to auto-boot to offline or something.
Have at it guys.
LOL this would have been the first thing I tried.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Thread needs a wall of shame.
Garrett 2U
Member
Have at it guys.
oh goody
Have at it guys.
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Hatchetforce
Banned
Fud is what MS has been spinning since day one (1). Penellos latest response is rife with it. It isn't conspiracy theory talk either. Of course that is how you try to downplay an inconvenient fact. You paint the purveyors as conspiracy theorists until they are laughed at and then your problem is solved. Nice try Redmond apoligists.
To those that want to paint it thus you yourselves are being used and you are too naive to realize the truth. And what is that truth you ask? Simple really. When an explanation, in this case Penellios's doesn't pass the smell test a.k.a. the common sense test, then there is an issue afoot. It isn't that the MS response does not answer some twisted convoluted question but rather that it fails to fit into the structure of simple common sense. Voltaire was apparently correct.
When a company jumps from one explanation to another, backpeddling, well...run from them like hell.
Laugh at Parakeetman all you will but once you eliminate the impossible...well...you know the quote.