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2014 NBA Jan |OT| Raymond Felton attempts to eat a Knicks Fan

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exarkun

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GremlinFool said:
Hibbert's probably the best center in the league (if you count Davis and Cousins as power forwards).
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would rather have Marc. Hibbert is nice and all, but getting me 10 points a game aint gonna cut it. Marc has a nice balance of O and D.

And Giri, really? Kyrie not a top 10 point? Dafuq? I think you're letting the fact that hes on the worst team in the NBA cloud your judgement
 
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Black Mamba

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iamshadowlark said:
There's ten PGs better than Kyrie?
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this season in no specific order: Conley, CP3, Parker, YNB, Lowry, Wall, Curry, Isiah Thomas, Kendall Marshall, Lawson, Lillard. Dragic has played a lot of SG but you could put him on the list too. Possibly Bledsoe.

There's also Rose and Deron (maybe) when healthy.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
iamshadowlark said:
There's ten PGs better than Kyrie?
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Yeah, I'm struggling to name 10 that are clearly better... Kyrie is definitely in the discussion with these guys:

Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Tony Parker, Stephen Curry, Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook (when healthy), Goran Dragic, Mike Conley, John Wall, Ty Lawson...

You could make the argument that he's #10, but that's a tough argument.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Speaking of Deron, his splits in January: 15.1PPG, 7.3APG, 3.1RPG, 50FG%, 39.3 3PT%, 33.3MPG

He had similar splits in December. Seems to be ramping up.
 
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giri

Member
iamshadowlark said:
There's ten PGs better than Kyrie?
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Dragic
Bledsoe
CP3
Deron
Lowry
Conley
TP
Lillard
Ty
Isaiah

Oh shit, i forgot Steph Curry too.

And others would argue, Rondo, Wall, Rose, YNB.

Kyrie has been flat out bad this year. There's probably a legit argument for Kemba over Kyrie.

reilo said:
Speaking of Deron, his splits in January: 15.1PPG, 7.3APG, 3.1RPG, 50FG%, 39.3 3PT%, 33.3MPG

He had similar splits in December. Seems to be ramping up.
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Its all about healthy for him. If he can get and stay healthy, i think he can get back to his best.
 
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Black Mamba

Member
reilo said:
Speaking of Deron, his splits in January: 15.1PPG, 7.3APG, 3.1RPG, 50FG%, 39.3 3PT%, 33.3MPG

He had similar splits in December. Seems to be ramping up.
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He was definitely hurt earlier.


Irving is 11th in WS among PGs and that assumes Dragic is a SG and with YNB playing far fewer games.

I think Kyrie should be a top 10 PG but he hasn't played like it this season.

edit: totally forgot about Rondo.
 
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The Maverick

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I was testing NBA-GAF.

Kyrie is the 10th best point in my eyes, only because Rose/Westbrook is out and Deron is in limbo. Bledsoe can probably pass him when/if Dragic is traded.

Roy Hibbert is behind Davis, Bosh, Gasol, Cousins and Howard. This is going off of who's starting at center this season.

And Wes Matthews is my #3 SG. There's Harden and Wade above him. Kobe has yet to return to form.

I'm disappointed in you, NBA-GAF. But I will stay to provide my knowledge and clown on Knicks fans.
 
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iamshadowlark

Banned
giri said:
Dragic
Bledsoe
CP3
Deron
Lowry
Conley
TP
Lillard
Ty
Isaiah

Oh shit, i forgot Steph Curry too.

And others would argue, Rondo, Wall, Rose, YNB.

Kyrie has been flat out bad this year. There's probably a legit argument for Kemba over Kyrie.




Its all about healthy for him. If he can get and stay healthy, i think he can get back to his best.
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I disagree with all the highlighted. Plus Rondo hasn't played, neither has Rose. Deron has flat out sucked. Lilliard had that explosive start but his numbers have dipped alot as of late.

Irving's regressed but outside of CP3/WB/Steph, somewhat Wall and Bledsoe, his numbers are in line or even surpass alot of those guys. As relio says, he has arguments.
 
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masud

Banned
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We so focused.
 
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The Maverick

Member
iamshadowlark said:
I disagree with all the highlighted. Plus Rondo hasn't played, neither has Rose. Deron has flat out sucked. Lilliard had that explosive start but his numbers have dipped alot as of late.

Irving's regressed but outside of CP3/WB/Steph, somewhat Wall and Bledsoe, his numbers are in line or even surpass alot of those guys. As relio says, he has arguments.
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Ty Lawson is the only player you highlighted that I think Kyrie is above. Lillard has already leaped over him and Dragic is a better passer and defender. Kyrie is headed down the path of the volume shooter. Surprising that you didn't object to Lowry or TP above him though. How many point guards have torched Cleveland this year?

Also, the fact that Anthony Davis missed the all star game is a travesty. I believe his career will match Kevin Garnett's. Coaches should be ashamed.
 
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theignoramus

Member
GremlinFool said:
Hibbert's probably the best center in the league (if you count Davis and Cousins as power forwards).
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Big Al Jefferson is the best post player in the NBA though. on the offensive side of the ball. the numbers back that up too. from 5-14 ft around the basket, the only guy shooting with a (slightly) higher percentage than him is David Lee, but on fewer attempts
 
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iamshadowlark

Banned
The Maverick said:
Ty Lawson is the only player you highlighted that I think Kyrie is above. Lillard has already leaped over him and Dragic is a better passer and defender. Kyrie is headed down the path of the volume shooter. Surprising that you didn't object to Lowry or TP above him though. How many point guards have torched Cleveland this year?

Also, the fact that Anthony Davis missed the all star game is a travesty. I believe his career will match Kevin Garnett's. Coaches should be ashamed.
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How has Lilliard leaped over him?

He had a hot start, but he's regressed to a sub 40 FG % shooting average on a vastly superior team in a fast paced offense.

Lowry is playing great ball. TP is still pretty effecient. Dragic is arguable.
 
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The Maverick

Member
iamshadowlark said:
How has Lilliard leaped over him?

He had a hot start, but he's regressed to a sub 40 FG % shooting average on a vastly superior team in a fast paced offense.

Lowry is playing great ball. TP is still pretty effecient. Dragic is arguable.
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A: 41.7%, 41.3%, 88.7%, 3.5 rpg, 5.6 apg, .7 stl, 20.6 ppg
B: 42.7%, 36.1%, 84.0%, 3.1 rpg, 6.1 apg, 1.2 stl, 21.6 ppg

I'll have to change my mind and agree with you, I like player B over A statically. Then you factor in that Lillard has arguably the best starting mates compared to Kyrie and it's more apparent. Grant has screwed things up in Cleveland and I'd be frustrated if I was him.

You know your shit. For a Heat fan anyways. Lol.
 
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Red Blaster

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true shooting percentage needs to hurry up and replace normal fg%

lillard's ts%: 57
kyrie's ts%: 52

lillard is a more efficient scorer than kyrie because he takes and makes a ton of threes while still getting to the foul line at a decent clip
 
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Future PhaZe

Member
I hope Paul isn't a dick and rushes back to "come home" for the All-Star break despite giving them the finger a few years ago just to turn around join a squad that might as well be NO Hornets 2.0.

If we can get Kobe and Paul to sit out we can pull in Boogie and Davis and all will be right with the world.

Would like to see Dragic over Parker...but that's mostly because I think "making sure winning teams are represented" is a fucking dumb practice. Guys that are having unbelievable years should have priority over "honoring winning teams".
 
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iamshadowlark

Banned
Red Blaster said:
true shooting percentage needs to hurry up and replace normal fg%

lillard's ts%: 57
kyrie's ts%: 52

lillard is a more efficient scorer than kyrie because he takes and makes a ton of threes while still getting to the foul line at a decent clip
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Lillards stats are still inflated from that crazy december he had.

He's regressed something mean in Jan. His 3FG% went from 47 to 36. His FG% from 44 to 42(He's under 40 in the last 10). Hes 3PM made from 58 to 34.

He's trending downwards and he plays for a vastly superior team. Im not impressed
 
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LegendofJoe

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It's a bit rediculous that the best player to come into the league since Durant has yet to make the all-star game. That said Irving has significantly less competition than Davis doez at his position. I'm hoping that the NBA will eventually decide to get rid of conference dependent selections. That should help ensure that less players who deserve to make the all star are snubbed.
 
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Future PhaZe

Member
LegendofJoe said:
It's a bit rediculous that the best player to come into the league since Durant has yet to make the all-star game. That said Irving has significantly less competition than Davis doez at his position. I'm hoping that the NBA will eventually decide to get rid of conference dependent selections. That should help ensure that less players who deserve to make the all star are snubbed.
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Its less about that than it's about this notion of rewarding winning teams with a representative.

I'm sorry, but Boogie and AD have PERS of 27. 27!!!! Lance Stephenson and Kyle Lowry can go catch shit compared to what those guys are doing.
 
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jordan0386

Member
LegendofJoe said:
It's a bit rediculous that the best player to come into the league since Durant has yet to make the all-star game. That said Irving has significantly less competition than Davis doez at his position. I'm hoping that the NBA will eventually decide to get rid of conference dependent selections. That should help ensure that less players who deserve to make the all star are snubbed.
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Rondo and Rose are hurt. Irving will make it every year if he avgs 20 and 5.
 
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LegendofJoe

Member
Dark FaZe said:
Its less about that than it's about this notion of rewarding winning teams with a representative.

I'm sorry, but Boogie and AD have PERS of 27. 27!!!! Lance Stephenson and Kyle Lowry can go catch shit compared to what those guys are doing.
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It's a combination of a lot of factors, if you got rid of conference distinctions though neither Lowry nor Stephenson would have a shot at making it. And let's be honest unless Cousins was playing in a big market like LA, NY, Chicago, or Toronto he is always going to be facing an uphill battle with voters.
 
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jordan0386

Member
LegendofJoe said:
It's a combination of a lot of factors, if you got rid of conference distinctions though neither Lowry nor Stephenson would have a shot at making it. And let's be honest unless Cousins was playing in a big market like LA, NY, Chicago, or Toronto he is always going to be facing an uphill battle with voters.
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This is the NBA, every market is big.

Duncan and Dirk are Duncan and Dirk. When they retire others can get on.
 
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diehard

Fleer
look at the West reserves.. who do you want left out so another guy can make it? All those guys are good choices.

West isnt garbage like the East
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
iamshadowlark said:
Lillards stats are still inflated from that crazy december he had.

He's regressed something mean in Jan. His 3FG% went from 47 to 36. His FG% from 44 to 42(He's under 40 in the last 10). Hes 3PM made from 58 to 34.

He's trending downwards and he plays for a vastly superior team. Im not impressed
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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/10-thoughts-about-the-nba-all-star-game-selections/

Lowe makes a good case as to why Lillard should have been left off the team in favor of Dragic and I agree.

And yeah the West is stacked. Everybody there deserves it and several guys not on the team deserve it but theres only so many spots on the team.
 
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commish

Jason Kidd murdered my dog in cold blood!
Dark FaZe said:
Tony

18 and 6 just isn't comparing to what AD and Boogie are doing.

Hopefully the other gets in via Kobe staying at home.
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No Goran, no AD = biggest crimes against humanity.

Cousins is fantastic, but his rep probably will hurt him for years to come.
 
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diehard

Fleer
Dark FaZe said:
Tony

18 and 6 just isn't comparing to what AD and Boogie are doing.

Hopefully the other gets in via Kobe staying at home.
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Best player on a good team.

Cousins team is total ass and AD's team isnt much better either.

Who is the last all-star to come from a conference worst team?
 
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Future PhaZe

Member
dIEHARD said:
Best player on a good team.

Cousins team is total ass and AD's team isnt much better either.

Who is the last all-star to come from a conference worst team?
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Plenty of guys from bad teams voted in...Kyrie, Melo, Kobe...

I mean I understand the bad team argument, but the stats they are putting up are top 5 player in the league good.
 
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otapnam

Member
Dark FaZe said:
Plenty of guys from bad teams voted in...Kyrie, Melo, Kobe...

I mean I understand the bad team argument, but the stats they are putting up are top 5 player in the league good.
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Its easier to pad stats on bad teams when you're the one that has to do everything. Check the usage rate
 
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Vic

Please help me with my bad english
You guys mentioned every players but Conley as being snubbed for the All-star game. Fuck y'all.

He needs the rest, but still...
 
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