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[Joeki11a]

Will this be a bullet point on the box?

 

[Bsigg12]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

Welp that was fun while it lasted.

 

[ypo]

Is hUMA the new 8GB GDDR5?

I think so. All modern GPUs use GDDR5 and all the upcoming high end APUs will be using hUMA soon enough.

 

[Pandaman]

No, that is as wrong as it gets.

whoosh.

 

[Vestal]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

Drop the Mic.

 

[kharma45]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

Just about to post that myself ha.

 

[Vestal]

Crow shall be feasted upon today.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

So this thread went nearly 30 pages for nothing then?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

IT CANT ALL BE FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SEGAvangelist]

That water-draining sound. Almost sounds like crying.

 

[Durante]

The AMD quote at PCPER doesn't really bear out the article title.
They don't make a statement one way or the other.

 

[SniperHunter]

I knew the denial reports would come sooner or later.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

well dayum. Maybe they use plain UMA

 

[Vestal]

The AMD quote at PCPER doesn't really bear out the article title.
They don't make a statement one way or the other.

they gave an actual quote in the article which is more than we can say for every other article relating to this.

 

[wildfire]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

Well that settles it for me. Pcper is pretty good at their work.

There honestly should be an official press release from amd considering the circumstances.

 

[Dictator93]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

Well, now we can go back to talking about "to the metal coding," move engines, and wizzard sauce.

The AMD quote at PCPER doesn't really bear out the article title.
They don't make a statement one way or the other.

What the hell are you doing Durante? WHY ARE YOU NOT FEEDING THE FLAMES?

I knew the denial reports would come sooner or later.

Just how excited are you for the PS4? please do tell..

 

[Wereroku]

they gave an actual quote in the article which is more than we can say for every other article relating to this.

What is weird is the actual quote does not say what the article is claiming. Just says that the rep does not speak for AMD or its partners when it comes to semi custom chips.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

well dayum. Maybe they use plain UMA

Plain UMA is pretty rough.

 

[xXxDieselxXx]

So Arnold was right? Is not hUMA?

 

[Wereroku]

This is a complete misinterpretation and only the half truth. The full press statement is:

"During a recent Gamescom 2013 interview, an AMD spokesperson made inaccurate statements regarding the details of our semi-custom APU architectures.
AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

This is a very smart move because AMD doesn't need to say whether Xbox One will have hUMA or not.

The author in the article you just linked jumps to conclusions prematurely: Only because Kabini doesn't have hUMA (which we know since several months already) doesn't mean that PS4 won't have it. PS4 is a custom design. PS4 has 8 ACEs and 64 Queues, Kabini has only 4 ACEs and 32 Queues. PS4 has GDDR5 memory controller, Kabini only has DDR3. PS4 has two graphics command processors, Kabini only has one. PS4 is a heavily customized system.

Isn't this proof that the guy did make those statements to the german magazine then? Otherwise AMD would just being saying that the interviewer misinterpreted it.

 

[Durante]

So Arnold was right? Is not hUMA?

What we know is that AMD does not officially confirm or deny anything about the memory system of either console. Neither could support hUMA, or both, or just one of them.

Not that their contracts would even allow them to confirm anything, in all likelihood.

 

[phosphor112]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

Assuming this is true. That means that the "confirmed developer" on Reddit was full of shit. Right?

 

[-SD-]

So this thread went nearly 30 pages for nothing then?

 

[Chobel]

This is a complete misinterpretation and only the half truth. The full press statement is:

"During a recent Gamescom 2013 interview, an AMD spokesperson made inaccurate statements regarding the details of our semi-custom APU architectures.
AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

This is a very smart move because AMD doesn't need to say whether Xbox One will have hUMA or not.

The author in the article you just linked jumps to conclusions prematurely: Only because Kabini doesn't have hUMA (which we know since several months already) doesn't mean that PS4 won't have it. PS4 is a custom design. PS4 has 8 ACEs and 64 Queues, Kabini has only 4 ACEs and 32 Queues. PS4 has GDDR5 memory controller, Kabini only has DDR3. PS4 has two graphics command processors, Kabini only has one. PS4 is a heavily customized system.

Refilling the tub right now.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

they gave an actual quote in the article which is more than we can say for every other article relating to this.

No, the quote said that the AMD APU that PS4 and XBO are based on doesn't support hUMA. But Sony made their own customizations to this APU. It is possible that these customizations allow the PS4 to support hUMA. (Note that I have no idea whether they do or not.)

 

[Vestal]

This is a complete misinterpretation and only the half truth. The full press statement is:

"During a recent Gamescom 2013 interview, an AMD spokesperson made inaccurate statements regarding the details of our semi-custom APU architectures.
AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

This is a very smart move because AMD doesn't need to say whether Xbox One will have hUMA or not.

The author in the article you just linked jumps to conclusions prematurely: Only because Kabini doesn't have hUMA (which we know since several months already) doesn't mean that PS4 won't have it. PS4 is a custom design. PS4 has 8 ACEs and 64 Queues, Kabini has only 4 ACEs and 32 Queues. PS4 has GDDR5 memory controller, Kabini only has DDR3. PS4 has two graphics command processors, Kabini only has one. PS4 is a heavily customized system.

you are glossing over the inaccurate part.

 

[TheRealTalker]

Is this the Cell processor's final transformation?!

PS4's architecture is based on x86

No it's still Cell it just absorbed x86 to reach it's next transformation.

No, that is as wrong as it gets.

whoosh.

Mr.Satan: "Its all special effects"

 

[SniperHunter]

Just how excited are you for the PS4? please do tell..

pathetic...

 

[Metfanant]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

except...that the PS4 and Xbone do not use off the shelf "Kabini" APU's...i would expect AMD to know this and not use "Kabini" in direct reference to the PS4 or Xbone...

Kabini has a 4 (jaguar) core CPU...and a GPU with 2 CU's (PS4 has 18!)...

to simply say either console has a "Kabini" APU is just as inaccurate as anything their "spokesperson" may have said wrong...

 

[Sub_Level]

No, that is as wrong as it gets.

I bought a PS3 in 2006 I know what the fuck I am talking about. Cell absorbed x86 to become stronger and reach a higher power level.

 

[inherendo]

No it's still Cell it just absorbed x86 to reach it's next transformation.

I assume this is a joke?

Both next gen consoles are using kaveri based apus that AMD has had in the pipeline for a while. They are x86/64 or whatever the nomenclature is. Basically modified apus.

 

[ypo]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

I was told that "Kabini doesn't support hUMA"

Well PS4 doesn't exactly use the plain Kabini apu. Put the plug back in!

 

[aravuus]

Oh come on, how about a straight yes or no for a change lol

I assume this is a joke?

Both next gen consoles are using kaveri based apus that AMD has had in the pipeline for a while. They are x86/64 or whatever the nomenclature is. Basically modified apus.

It is such an obvious joke geez

 

[darkwing]

bathtubs refilled!

 

[Chobel]

you are glossing over the inaccurate part.

Would you gloss the accurate part? and this is a serious question.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Thread needs more Yung Humma

I gotchu. PS4 confirmed best console with help of Yung hUMA

 

[ElTorro]

Only because Kabini doesn't have hUMA (which we know since several months already) doesn't mean that PS4 won't have it.

Those Garlic/Onion-busses and the volatile tags on cache lines are pretty much hUMA, since all traffic over Onion+ is fully cache-coherent. That is a addition and has little to do with vanilla Kabini.

Honestly, the official statement says "We don't say anything" and that the spokesperson was not supposed to say anything on that topic, hence is statements are officially declined.

 

[benny_a]

No, the quote said that the AMD APU that PS4 and XBO are based on doesn't support hUMA. But Sony made their own customizations to this APU. It is possible that these customizations allow the PS4 to support hUMA. (Note that I have no idea whether they do or not.)

That is at least what Cerny claims in the April break down and Nikkei reports.

 

[watership]

This is a complete misinterpretation and only the half truth. The full press statement is:

"During a recent Gamescom 2013 interview, an AMD spokesperson made inaccurate statements regarding the details of our semi-custom APU architectures.
AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

This is a very smart move because AMD doesn't need to say whether Xbox One will have hUMA or not.

The author in the article you just linked jumps to conclusions prematurely: Only because Kabini doesn't have hUMA (which we know since several months already) doesn't mean that PS4 won't have it. PS4 is a custom design. PS4 has 8 ACEs and 64 Queues, Kabini has only 4 ACEs and 32 Queues. PS4 has GDDR5 memory controller, Kabini only has DDR3. PS4 has two graphics command processors, Kabini only has one. PS4 is a heavily customized system.

So here is how it's all going to go down:

• One site a few months ago mentioned that hUMA will be in both the Xbox One and
• PS4.
• Another site said that only the PS4 has hUMA.
• AMD will not comment on either console in regards to memory architectures.

So we will believe that PS4 has it, and Xbox One does not. Because it's what we want.

 

[Gestault]

That title sure seems inaccurate in light of the actual clarifications. (For posterity's sake, the title at the time of this post is "AMD: PlayStation 4 supports hUMA, Xbox One does not")

There's just one problems with these various reports (VR-Zone, ExtremeTech): they're wrong. After sending some emails to our representatives at AMD I was told that "Kabini doesn't support hUMA" which is the APU that both the PS4 and Xbox One processors are based on. AMD further clarified with us:

Our spokesperson made inaccurate statements about our semi-custom APU architectures and does not speak for Microsoft, Sony or the AMD semi-custom business unit responsible for co-developing the next generation console APUs.

 

[ypo]

Assuming this is true. That means that the "confirmed developer" on Reddit was full of shit. Right?

Hasn't he always? Probably just some PR guy/guys copy and pasting filtered messages.

 

[ElTorro]

I bought a PS3 in 2006 I know what the fuck I am talking about. Cell absorbed x86 to become stronger and reach a higher power level.

Damn, I have to watch Dragonball, I don't seem to get a lot of jokes around here.

 

[Alej]

Isn't this proof that the guy did make those statements to the german magazine then? Otherwise AMD would just being saying that the interviewer misinterpreted it.

Yeah so in fact it's probably true. But AMD hasn't the rights to say it.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

So how does hUMA make my game better that it was during last gen?

 

[PSGames]

So here is how it's all going to go down:

• One site a few months ago mentioned that hUMA will be in both the Xbox One and
• PS4.
• Another site said that only the PS4 has hUMA.
• AMD will not comment on either console in regards to memory architectures.

So we will believe that PS4 has it, and Xbox One does not. Because it's what we want.

This seems really accurate.

Not sure we'll have anything officially stated on the matter.

 

[Can Crusher]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

It's funny how people insist on not reading the links they provide.

Our spokesperson made inaccurate statements about our semi-custom APU architectures and does not speak for Microsoft, Sony or the AMD semi-custom business unit responsible for co-developing the next generation console APUs.

It doesn't say anywhere in the article that PS4 or Xbox One don't have huma, just that Kabini doesn't. If the PS4 has a HSA hUMA design, then it doesn't matter it was based on Kabini.

The author of the article draws a parallel between PS4 and Xbox One with Kabini, yet notice how the PS4 and the Xbox One are very different. The author's failure to see the changes is more than enough to tell me he doesn't really know what he's talking about.

 

[TheRealTalker]

GAME OVER

PCPER - Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) will NOT utilize AMD hUMA with Kabini-based SoC

We can all remove water from our bathtubs.

This is a complete misinterpretation and only the half truth. The full press statement is:

"During a recent Gamescom 2013 interview, an AMD spokesperson made inaccurate statements regarding the details of our semi-custom APU architectures.
AMD will not comment on the Microsoft Xbox One and Sony PS4 memory architectures and will not speak for Microsoft, Sony or other AMD customers."

This is a very smart move because AMD doesn't need to say whether Xbox One will have hUMA or not.

The author in the article you just linked jumps to conclusions prematurely: Only because Kabini doesn't have hUMA (which we know since several months already) doesn't mean that PS4 won't have it. PS4 is a custom design. PS4 has 8 ACEs and 64 Queues, Kabini has only 4 ACEs and 32 Queues. PS4 has GDDR5 memory controller, Kabini only has DDR3. PS4 has two graphics command processors, Kabini only has one. PS4 is a heavily customized system.

Refilling the tub right now.

My Hydro/Heating Bill is going to kill me

 

[Alej]

Just how excited are you for the PS4? please do tell..

You should go elsewhere seriously, you sound like you're having a meltdown.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Assuming this is true. That means that the "confirmed developer" on Reddit was full of shit. Right?

My thoughts exactly. After the build up to E3 and Gamescom and the results of the predictions of so many insiders, I only trust FamousMortimer now.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

That is at least what Cerny claims in the April break down and Nikkei reports.

Ok, thanks! That is the impression I was under from some of the interviews he has been giving, but I don't know a lot about this stuff, so I thought it possible that I had misunderstood.

 

[Metfanant]

Assuming this is true. That means that the "confirmed developer" on Reddit was full of shit. Right?

in regards to this "developer"

if he is so close to the hardware of the Xbone...and had literally never heard of hUMA before...but I have!?...that throws up red flags all over the place to me...