Steve Youngblood
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Did anyone say it was confusing?
Did you read the posts I've been responding to?
Did anyone say it was confusing?
There's nothing saying that Nvidia can't just drop the price of their own card once the non-reference ones come out.
And even if they're still technically worse cards at the same pricepoint(or higher pricepoint), I'm sure they can catch a few people who don't know better by being billed as the "official" 1080s or whatever,
Well, my argument is just that I feel like sometimes people overreact to problems that have easy solution. "They're overcharging for an inferior product!" Ok, then simply don't buy it? Just wait and see when the non-Founders Edition cards are going to launch. Maybe wait and see what AMD is up to if you're convinced that nvidia is getting complacent and greedy.
Why would they be $100 less? This is what people aren't grasping. There is no $599 card. No such product was shown, so until a card is actually at retail at that price, I wouldn't assume there is a $599 card. If you were an aib why would you sell your better than reference card, for significantly less than the price of the reference card? They will still sell all their cards at $699+. It wouldn't make sense for the AIBs to sell their cards for $599. The aibs are selling the reference card for $699. They've been posted to best buy, evga, etc.
And their justification of 699 when msrp was 599?
Someone hasn't used an AMD card in a long time then.
Did you read the posts I've been responding to?
But not once did they say that ONLY the founders edition would be available upon release
Yes I did, what is your point? He is not confused.
He's saying it wouldnt make sense for a non-reference card to suddenly cost less than the terrible $700 offer it is now.
Yes, but most markets worth a damn have viable competition.
Well, it makes sense if you simply assume that this is the early release tax.I mean, I could be wrong on that and if so I'll gladly eat my crow. I'm just saying that's my read of the situation and why there isn't a satisfying PR angle they can take. Coming out and plainly saying "we're charging more at launch because people will pay more at launch when our supply is low and there's difficulty meeting demand" doesn't make for great PR. But that's what I gather they're doing.
You are not wrong.
Which is exactly the point. Deceptive marketing. And its not even an early release. Its just a release.
So imagine, the Ipad Air comes out, and Apple says, hey guys the new Ipad Air is only 499 like all the other ipads before it, but for the first 2 months, we will call it the founders edition (nothing different about it at all), and charge you 599 for it.
Essentially, that is the price of the Ipad Air. 599.
So... $599 is OK, but $699 is not OK?
I don't get it
The salt in this thread is amusing.
Can't afford the card? Then don't buy it. There's a great many things that are a big deal in this world. Being able to afford the fastest discrete graphics card is not one of them.
I think people would be less upset if Nvidia was just more straightforward with the pricing of this card. The whole Founder's Edition stuff was poorly communicated - so many mixed messages being passed around and from watching footage of the event I see why journalists were confused.
Partner Cards will be under 600 at retail within 30 days of launch unless they short the channel deliberately. 30 days. Max.
I mean, would people have preferred it if Nvidia didn't have a standard $599 card at all and instead just sold the Founders Edition?
I don't really think they are appreciably worse than any other major tech company. I mean... if you watch a presentation designed to market a product, you know what you're in for. They still pull bullshit, but not really more than anyone else.
As for the Founder's Edition thing, I really don't think we'll be seeing it again. Based off the complete bumbling answers during this Q&A, it's pretty clear no one at the ground level actually likes or supports this idea. If it sells it sells, but in the future I think we would probably just see more expensive cards rather than this weird division that no one can really explain. Even it does sell it's just muddy, confusing PR that I see Nvidia avoiding in the future, by whatever means they see fit.
I mean, would people have preferred it if Nvidia didn't have a standard $599 card at all and instead just sold the Founders Edition?
That seems to be exactly what they are doing at the start.
There shouldn't have been a "Founders Edition" in the first place. It's never been necessary before, what advantages does it offer over prior video card launches? Enthusiasts can give Nvidia more of their money?
Ok, you really have to stop this nonsense. The fact that they even announced the price of 599 tells me the most important thing I need to know: That their partners will make a profit at 599.
So...apply economics. All the partners want to increase their share of the market, so downward pressure on price, then pricing under 599.
Your constant imagining of anything different happening in an open and competitive market (even within the nvidia ecosystem) is beyond ridiculous.
The salt in this thread is amusing.
Can't afford the card? Then don't buy it. There's a great many things in this world that are a big deal. Being able to afford the fastest discrete graphics card is not one of them.
If everything gets sold out for a few months, AIB partners will price their cards to meet the demand which will set the pricing for the cards.
where's the bloody 1060 or 1065 at, nvidia left the market open at $200-250 for AMD's energy vampire cards (not counting the used 970-980ti that will most certainly hover at said price point or higher)
Yeah since the release of windows 10 their drivers have been total shit and I am stuck on an old version atm.
where's the bloody 1060 or 1065 at, nvidia left the market open at $200-250 for AMD's energy vampire cards (not counting the used 970-980ti that will most certainly hover at said price point or higher)
I don't have a problem with founder's card but yeah, I had to roll back drivers recently. I normally wouldn't care but now I believe the old drivers are causing screen tearing in internet browsers.
On-topic: I already planned on waiting.
if my 6870 hadn't died, I'd been disappointed at these card prices, although not so much the price of old stock and used cards for upgraders. I wonder if Nvidia will beat AMD to the non-enthusiast market, although I think Nvidia's brand is at the tipping point of being able to excuse performance for brand alone.They always come later.
Yeah, AMD pulling the floor out on the base could get some gears turninghttp://www.guru3d.com/news-story/geforce-gtx-1060-possibly-spotted-in-shipment-tracking.html
They could launch sooner if AMD impresses with Polaris.
You are not wrong.
Which is exactly the point. Deceptive marketing. And its not even an early release. Its just a release.
So imagine, the Ipad Air comes out, and Apple says, hey guys the new Ipad Air is only 499 like all the other ipads before it, but for the first 2 months, we will call it the founders edition (nothing different about it at all), and charge you 599 for it.
Essentially, that is the price of the Ipad Air. 599.
This doesn't really seem like something that would make someone sour on the company to me.
(Just ordered their kickass $200 Android tablet today)
Man, reading this thread makes me sad.
Either I'm poor or people these days seem really indifferent to just be able to easily say "it's $100 so what. "
saying Nvidia has crappy driver support considering the alternative is pretty silly
Yup. Not falling into that tyre fire again. Fool me four times...uhhhhhh...I won't buy your poorly made products?
They're free to do as they please. They're the market leader, afterall. By a long shot. People have no choice but to obey.
Even reviews that show how poorly the FE cards overclock and how readily they throttle don't then do value comparisons against currently available overclocked non reference 980Ti's to validate if the FE is really any better.