Why bother, there's a defense force for everything no matter how illogical it may be.Uh, the only way to avoid that part of it is to not buy the game at all.
is winning the only goal?...how about just playing games for fun and not worrying about getting the highest score every round?...if people want to pay to win then more power to them
They just announced a ton of free content coming and people are still mad this is "pay to win". If some dope wants to spend $100 bucks right away for content I will end up getting for free by simply playing the game then go right on ahead. Their "advantage" is being overblown, if people want to welcome the age of games costing $150-$200 bitching about this "pay to win" crap is going to bring it sooner than later. People had the same concerns about Destiny 2 and guess what it turned out to be an over reaction
I find it hard to believe that it would be exclusive to someone involved with consoles.If someone in the console industry was caught eating live human babies for lunch there would still be people on GAF defending that person.
As long as those items arent locked behind a paywall whats the big deal? I also think people who pay more for first class should board first and get better food than people in economy.The fact that players from the get go have better abilities than you because they spent money does not bother you?
As long as those items aren't locked behind a paywall what's the big deal? I also think people who pay more for first class should board first and get better food than people in economy.
Time is money, a college student might not have much money but a lot of time to grind out lootpacks. A hard working dad maybe has 30 minutes a day of game time. It's not fair to lock him out of content because he is trying to provide the best life for his family.
Hey if you want to have everything unlocked from the get go I am all for it, but ever since call of Duty made leveling up and unlocking shit a part of online shooters this is the way things are done.So the hard working dad who spends all his time working hard for his family, also has to pay MORE money on the game to compete with others? The analogy doesn't work, so we punish everyone. This also ignores those without time to play much, and also have little to no money extra. So they are always fucked over?
The game should be fair to everyone from the get go.
Nothing wrong with being average but now youre going to be below average because many in your peer group and below your skill level will be owning you because theyll pay to win.I don't think there's ever been an MP game where there hasn't been plenty of players better than me from the get go and they didn't have to spend a dime to get there! I'm one of those mediocre sods that has average hand-eye coordination and trigger reflexes, born without preternatural peripheral awareness, who doesn't generally seem to have the fickle graces of lag on my side more often than not.
In other words, It's hardly as if the playing field has ever truly been level before this so I don't see much of a change in allowing people to pay for advantages. At least half the players out there will still likely be significantly better than me to dole out plenty of demoralizing defeats regardless. If anything it would make me feel better to know that the guy who keeps mopping the field with my remains at least had to pay out the nose for the win.
Good for them. Even if loot crates weren't a factor I wouldn't be playing the game with any delusions of grandeur, that I'm somehow going to be the Ultimate Champion, certainly not with the time I have to allot to gameplaying these days.
I won't be paying for loot crates and I don't see any reason to boycott the entire game over them. I fully expect to have as much fun with BF2 as I did BF1 for the same asking price, given the fact that there's more content, a more robust single-player component, and a host of gameplay improvements, which aren't undermined by the fact that my personal MP performance won't be any better than it was while playing the first one, or just about any other MP game I touch.
If you were going into this expecting to absolutely dominate the rankings/leaderboards, I guess I could see the consternation over purchasing loot crates and how that changes the dynamic, but that realistically only impacts a very small percentage of players in a meaningful fashion. A lot of us just don't play well enough for it to matter (sorry, all).
Nothing wrong with being average but now youre going to be below average because many in your peer group and below your skill level will be owning you because theyll pay to win.
Nothing wrong with being average but now you're going to be below average because many in your peer group and below your skill level will be owning you because they'll pay to win.
If there's nothing wrong with being average, then why would I necessarily care about being below average? Unless the game just becomes an absolute chore to play, I don't see why I'd care much about performance if I was okay with just average in the first place. And assuming that not everyone in my peer group who pays to win is going to just end up populating the opposing teams, there will certainly be plenty of times when they're helping my team to win, not owning me personally. As such, my average performance may very well remain intact. As someone who has really never been MVP material, the enjoyment I derive from competitive MP comes from team wins and the ability to modestly assist those wins as a result of modern MP's focus on more objective-based game types which typically provides more than one way to contribute. I don't see either of these being significantly impacted by pay 2 win loot boxes.Nothing wrong with being average but now youre going to be below average because many in your peer group and below your skill level will be owning you because theyll pay to win.
These guys will spend the 90 bucks (as videos have shown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GynsazTkww)...get way ahead and then farm those who just pay the 60. Most of you won't catch up (I know some of you are good so I won't say all). It's like the 1 percent of rich folks in life but for gaming.
I don't have any problem with someone better, someone who spends an incredible amount of time in the game or someone who teams with others and the 'gets good'. But any "way shape or form" of having a path of buying your way to get a jump on others? Thats cell phone game BS and why I don't bother with that. Its fine. There are lots of things to do this year. I can't support this behavior, though I realize that there will be a lot of kids and folks who don't know who will buy this and these type of people will just have fun feeding on them. EA was the worst company to work for, now they are expanding their BS to the rest of the community. Its like a cancer. If you don't cut it out now then bad things will happen. The whole place will look like cell phone games...won't that be nice? (fuck I am feel like I am sounding like Sterling...crap)
yeah, I don't understand how people can defend this shit at all."We're absolutely mopping people up," he says in the video. "When you're rolling around with a level 14 interceptor and it takes people 150 percent more time to lock on because you've already got a blue three-point card, that's an absolute game-changer."
That made me laugh way more than it should have xDYou caught me! I had my butler type that up for me while I was taking a nap on my private jet en route to my island. Can't wait to see you on the Battlefield too.
I didnt say majority but now that you brought it up, how do you know its not the majority?do you really think that the majority of people are going to pay extra $$?...hell no...only a tiny portion of the player base will 'pay-to-win'...that's why microtransactions like this don't really matter too much in the long run
You just stepped on your own point here because if you do care about winning, then youre not helping your team if youre below average, youre actually burdening your team. The best way for you to help your team is stepping aside and not dragging your team down, make room for somebody who can pull their own weight(either with skill or $$).If there's nothing wrong with being average, then why would I necessarily care about being below average? Unless the game just becomes an absolute chore to play, I don't see why I'd care much about performance if I was okay with just average in the first place. And assuming that not everyone in my peer group who pays to win is going to just end up populating the opposing teams, there will certainly be plenty of times when they're helping my team to win, not owning me personally. As such, my average performance may very well remain intact. As someone who has really never been MVP material, the enjoyment I derive from competitive MP comes from team wins and the ability to modestly assist those wins as a result of modern MP's focus on more objective-based game types which typically provides more than one way to contribute. I don't see either of these being significantly impacted by pay 2 win loot boxes.
I didnt say majority but now that you brought it up, how do you know its not the majority?
Don't buy EA games! They make this industry worse by lower the standards for everyone. Try never buying anything published by EA. Pretty soon it's a habit and before you know it years will pass since you last played an EA title = and you'll be better, the industry will be better, and you won't miss them one little bit. Don't give them your money if you care about gaming.
Welcome to the new normal
I have yet to run into any issues, so I'll still be buying it
They can have my money as well. Great time.
Uh, the only way to avoid that part of it is to not buy the game at all.
I never said anything about something being REQUIRED.I didnt know micro transactions are REQUIRED for the single player campaign or even multiplayer for that matter
Maybe youre right. A 245 hour grind to get on a fair and level playing field is really a non issue.The angst seems misguided. People are paying for shortcuts, not to get something that you can't obtain in-game. If they were buying something that you'd never be able to earn by playing, yes that's a reason to be upset. If they're spending money just to shortcut a grind, good on them.
Maybe youre right. A 245 hour grind to get on a fair and level playing field is really a non issue.
This. People are grossly overestimating the amount of people willing to pay. In reality I bet 90+% of the base doesn't spend a single dollar. And 90% of all spending will be done by the 1% whales.do you really think that the majority of people are going to pay extra $$?...hell no...only a tiny portion of the player base will 'pay-to-win'...that's why microtransactions like this don't really matter too much in the long run
is winning the only goal?...how about just playing games for fun and not worrying about getting the highest score every round?...if people want to pay to win then more power to them
From Reddit: It Takes 40 Hours to Unlock a Hero in EA Star Wars Battlefront 2
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7c820x/it_takes_40_hours_to_unlock_a_hero_in_ea_star/
People have no idea how bad this is. The grind is so immense that I literally have not seen another title this bad. And it's not just cosmetics, that would be forgivable. It's genuine power ups and stats boosters that make you exponentially better. If you can't tell when someone has 20% longer fire durations, or 50% damage increases on basic weapon strength, or 20% boosts in health that have broken interactions with other cards, you either don't understand game balance or are being dishonest.
I'm buying the game. I don't care about buying any of these items, I'll just be playing the mp and having a good time.They can have my money as well. Great time.
That's fuckin ridiculous.From Reddit: It Takes 40 Hours to Unlock a Hero in EA Star Wars Battlefront 2
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7c820x/it_takes_40_hours_to_unlock_a_hero_in_ea_star/
It was rumored elsewhere on reddit that the credit cost of crates and unlocks will be lowered drastically at launch (if true, no idea why they would have the high prices for the trial) while the costs in crystals will stay the same. But who knows.That's fuckin ridiculous.
Unless EA drastically changes this system (they won't) I'll just stick with the OG BF2. It may be rough around the edges, but at least it's got plenty of content.
I have yet to run into any issues, so I'll still be buying it
They can have my money as well. Great time.