Lionel Richie
Member
Will buy it when it's heavily discounted if the single player is good (there's a single player in this one, right?).
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Battlefront 2 Is Still Pay 2 Win
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Yeah, but as usual it's pretty awful from what I've played so far.
Lionel Richie
Member
Damn. Infinite Warfare last year actually having a good SP made me more optimistic than I should have been for the yearly shooters.
DangerJuice
Member
I like not having to spend money on any games anymore.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Unknown One
Member
If you have any advantage that goes into a multiplayer game that involves paying more, than that game has no integrity.
JONEZZEEonGAF
Member
The pay 2 win as everyone is calling it still needs skill on the user side. Reaction times and aiming etc.
There is no skill involved when it takes almost twice the amount of time to lock onto a vehicle simply because they have the vehicle card's higher level version.
deadscreensky
Member
If pay-2-win required a match to end in automatic victory for the whale then the term never would have been created in the first place. No game does that. Pay-2-win is a term that means you can pay money for a significant competitive advantage over other players. Battlefront 2 offers exactly that.
And no, the fact that a paying customer who doesn't buy loot loot crates can reach some kind of parity after hundreds of hours of grinding doesn't negate that somebody can pay extra money day one and get 40% faster fire rate, or take less damage, or recover health faster, or get 40 health back per kill, or even just equip 3 cards immediately instead of having to level that class to 10 first. (Because buying cards levels up your class.)
michaelius
Banned
Someone seriously belived they would remove it ?
Z..
Member
"Hard earned" really does not apply at all. Hell, I make 400 a month and it still doesn't apply. That's first world arrogance at it's finest on proud display, there! Saying this because your attitude makes me 100% certain you have to be North American.
bakedcrisps
Member
This is pretty troubling. I've had fun with the EA Access trial so far and was thinking of picking the game up but this system is terrible.
I hate that you can't even progress in a way that corresponds to your play style. If you primarily play the assault role and you get a bunch of specialist cards in loot boxes, you've basically wasted time and money should you decide to spend it.
I hate that you can't even progress in a way that corresponds to your play style. If you primarily play the assault role and you get a bunch of specialist cards in loot boxes, you've basically wasted time and money should you decide to spend it.
mercenar1e
Member
outside of the P2W bullshit i have to say that the multiplayer is fucking ass. what were they thinking with 100 respawns and characters that cost 6,000 points? you don't have enough time to play with the character.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
I'm sure EA is very concerned about you and your friends and sales will bottom out because of it
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Edit: Not worth it, I'm just going to add this disrespectful piece of fucking shit to my ignore list and be done with it.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Agreed one hundred percent
Sad that other GAFers are crapping their panties trying to fall on the sword defending this game and EAs bullshit
Its ok to enjoy a game but still criticize the games company
I get that this is a Star Wars game and Star Wars is awesome. That doesnt excuse the P2W crap
TacoMasters
Member
The Star Wars Battlefront subreddit is in outright chaos over this. AVOID THE SUBREDDIT. There's some guy posting MAJOR story spoilers for anyone who disagrees with him.
Old Empire.
Member
This seems to be the path EA is taking to dumb down the difficulty of multiplayer and make it easy to purchase items that will give you an advantage online. I stopped playing Fifa 18 Ultimate team over this, those " special matchmaking algorithms" Kotaku talked about i felt was already in place with the game.
Veggy
Member
Was hoping things would drastically improve but after doing some digging around.....needless to say I'm not supporting this business model
I missed out on the beta so I don't even know how good the core gameplay is, I thought the first game was decent (beta) but I didn't buy it because it seemed pretty bare bones
I missed out on the beta so I don't even know how good the core gameplay is, I thought the first game was decent (beta) but I didn't buy it because it seemed pretty bare bones
prag16
Banned
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBa...ou_are_actually_helping_by_making_a_big_fuss/
Man. I'm in the "meh don't care as much as many of you" camp, but damn if this isn't pretty diabolical if true.
Now, the free DLC will include single player mission(s), maps, and possibly modes too. I care about those a lot more than heroes, guns, and star cards. Even if the latter items are locked behind credits after they drop, the former items couldn't possibly be....
....could they?
Man. I'm in the "meh don't care as much as many of you" camp, but damn if this isn't pretty diabolical if true.
Now, the free DLC will include single player mission(s), maps, and possibly modes too. I care about those a lot more than heroes, guns, and star cards. Even if the latter items are locked behind credits after they drop, the former items couldn't possibly be....
....could they?
viper sean
Neo Member
hi
anyone else have stuttering cut scenes on this game thought x would run this nicely? my mate has same problem with his. game play is ok but cut scenes stutters. badly
anyone else have stuttering cut scenes on this game thought x would run this nicely? my mate has same problem with his. game play is ok but cut scenes stutters. badly
Freeman76
Member
Couldnt give a fuck personally. Its up to them if they want to do that. I suck at MP games anyway so it makes little to no difference as they would still beat me without better abilities.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Not even gonna bother renting this trash.
Makes me fucking angry thinking about how this is going to ruin Titanfall.
Makes me fucking angry thinking about how this is going to ruin Titanfall.
Marvel
could never
And also with you
I'll get it for the single player campaign and then dabble in the MP side of it. If I find it to be fun then I won't mind the occasional enhanced player here and there. I actually welcome the added challenge, though I understand why some people would have a problem with this.
I loathe season passes and don't buy them on principle (so it's a big plus for me this one doesn't have that), and don't mind loot crates as long as you can get the same things by playing. It will come down to how much of a grind and how big of a performance difference players actually get. 295 hours of grinding to get everything does seem excessive, but what would be adequate, 100, 150 hours? It's likely dice will keep an eye on the general player progression and pepper 2x periods as needed.
At the end of the day what I'm fearing will impact my enjoyment the most is that you won't be able to add a jump-pack to your classes; I always felt that that particular mechanic gave BF1 a very distinctive charm and flavor which separated it from every other shooter out there. We'll see, I guess.
I loathe season passes and don't buy them on principle (so it's a big plus for me this one doesn't have that), and don't mind loot crates as long as you can get the same things by playing. It will come down to how much of a grind and how big of a performance difference players actually get. 295 hours of grinding to get everything does seem excessive, but what would be adequate, 100, 150 hours? It's likely dice will keep an eye on the general player progression and pepper 2x periods as needed.
At the end of the day what I'm fearing will impact my enjoyment the most is that you won't be able to add a jump-pack to your classes; I always felt that that particular mechanic gave BF1 a very distinctive charm and flavor which separated it from every other shooter out there. We'll see, I guess.
Stormblessed
Member
The point of suggesting it might change (then making minor tweaks) was to get the P2W stuff out of the news cycle and get people back into hyping the game up. Of course it's still bullshit. People pay more for material advantages, mobile developers talk about it every now and again when they discuss F2P games. The trick (one that I kinda doubt EA or Dice will have down) is to ensure the game is just balanced enough that people spend themselves rather than drop the game.
JimiNutz
Banned
I really enjoyed the first game and sometimes get excited for the sequel when I watch gameplay videos but I think I'm going to skip it also.
They had a great foundation to build on and they've ruined it with this loot crate greed. I'm also still bitter about the scaled back visible blaster fire. In the old game it looked so epic when you were in an intense fire fight and there were clearly visible blaster bolts zipping over your head. Now the effect is way less visible and it just looks like any other shooter with bullets.
Gameplay from the campaign looks extremely tedious as well.
They had a great foundation to build on and they've ruined it with this loot crate greed. I'm also still bitter about the scaled back visible blaster fire. In the old game it looked so epic when you were in an intense fire fight and there were clearly visible blaster bolts zipping over your head. Now the effect is way less visible and it just looks like any other shooter with bullets.
Gameplay from the campaign looks extremely tedious as well.
No, they pay for the people that make new content, refine gameplay and patches.
Also the advantages are minimal for an average gamer and you won't notice the difference unless you are "mlg" who never dies. If you want to play the game normal you can . If you don't have time to play or are not good enough so you need a few extra loot boxes to keep your ego in check you can also.
During the beta I didn't even realize there was loot boxes to open. Finished top 5 every round and won almost ever game. Play the objective, and you will always do fine. Play the objective with a few teammates and you will dominate.
Woo-Fu
Banned
Doubt anybody was buying 70 lootboxes before their first round of gameplay in the beta.
People who think the release experience will match the beta experience aren't really thinking.
That said, the point is moot. It doesn't matter if you think it doesn't affect your experience. It is bad purely from a gameplay standpoint, regardless of how it works in practice. The "level playing field" concept is pretty important for competitive games. If it wasn't this thread wouldn't exist in the first place.
Course if it goes like the last battlefront next to nobody will be playing it 2 weeks after release anyhow, much less be putting in the amount of hours it takes for the various unlocks/upgrades.
LoveCake
Member
I am still in two minds about this, my copy is on it's way but I can return it for a full refund.
The problem is if EA/Dice somehow fix it, getting the game a few months down the line will be pointless because the day one players will be so overpowered, the original game it didn't really matter as the base weapons anyone could use from the start were some of the best in the game anyway, in any case you have to learn the maps, but this star-card combined with the class system means I think its going to be so difficult to be able to compete a few months after release,
The problem is if EA/Dice somehow fix it, getting the game a few months down the line will be pointless because the day one players will be so overpowered, the original game it didn't really matter as the base weapons anyone could use from the start were some of the best in the game anyway, in any case you have to learn the maps, but this star-card combined with the class system means I think its going to be so difficult to be able to compete a few months after release,
deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
I bought the first game since day one and I had a blast with it. It wasn't the best thing ever, but was fine. With this second game, and all these pay to win bullshit, I'm not giving support.
Also
Also
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBa...ou_are_actually_helping_by_making_a_big_fuss/Reddit said:
BattleMonkey
Member
In beta you couldn't spend ton of money to buy bunch of boxes, the whole point is people playing now with money are buying big advantages, stuff not in the beta.
The advantages are clear, you can look up the star card info, when you got players who have almost twice as much shields as you, lock on to you 40% faster, and so on, it makes a difference.
The whole notion of earning rewards is tossed out the window or any type of competitive aspect to a game is also wasted since it's all forcing it further into being luck based money influencing grinds.
Nydius
Member
Yep. I watched a Twitch streams for several hours last night and there was one match where the streamer was being obliterated literally a few seconds from spawn. The loadout of the person killing him had stacked three epic level cards and an insane sniper rifle. No way that person managed to grind enough to get all that during a mere 10 hour trial. That was enough to illustrate how bad the paid advantage from loot boxes will affect any semblance of competitiveness in the actual product.
It's quite a shame, too, because it looks better than the first game and seems to have more to do. But I won't be buying into this USDA Grade A Bullshit. At best, I might spend $6 to Redbox it over the weekend to knock out the single player campaign. But, after watching people play the EA/Origin Access early trial, I'm on the fence about even renting it.
Typhares
Member
So from this post on reddit it takes 40 hours to unlock some heroes. Everything seems to be a massive grind so I'll definitely pass.
EA's reply can be found here for anyone interested.
EA's reply can be found here for anyone interested.
Starbuck2907
Member
Know whats weird? I buy DLC, but I never buy loot crates. I dont like how they work, and I dont understand their appeal.
I dont play Overwatch cause I find the integration too annoying. I have 200 hours in Battlefield 1, and never bought one. It took me a month to even notice the store. I liked some of the skins I got for a gun in Battkefield 1, and I liked some skins in Lawbreakers, but still never even considered spending real money.
If I could just buy a season pass for all the content, I would. But Im not gonna spend money on loot boxes and maybe get the content I want. It just doesnt matter enough to me.
I dont play Overwatch cause I find the integration too annoying. I have 200 hours in Battlefield 1, and never bought one. It took me a month to even notice the store. I liked some of the skins I got for a gun in Battkefield 1, and I liked some skins in Lawbreakers, but still never even considered spending real money.
If I could just buy a season pass for all the content, I would. But Im not gonna spend money on loot boxes and maybe get the content I want. It just doesnt matter enough to me.
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
Member
Will buy goty edition for 20 euro's max.
Ain't supporting this shit full price.
Ain't supporting this shit full price.
Typhares
Member
I feel the same about loot crate that are actual content crate and until I started playing Killing Floor 2 I never bought any.
But in KF2 all the crates are weapon skins/character skins or emotes. You can already get plenty of those for free and if you want a specific one the marketplace is there. They release a free update every few months and with 150 hours playtime I like giving the dev some money once in a while.
Can anyone confirm if this title has paid dlc planned? Because the only way I can see EA justifying this is if they had decided to release all planned dlc has a free update.
Consumers aren't interested in being told to pay 40 bucks, only to learn that they are being cheated out of the full experience unless they pay extra.
Consumers aren't interested in being told to pay 40 bucks, only to learn that they are being cheated out of the full experience unless they pay extra.
prag16
Banned
No paid DLC. All DLC will be free.*
* Some of the DLC like heroes, weapons, and star cards, while free, will be locked when you obtain them, and need to be unlocked using in game currency... which is easier to obtain if you buy crystals to spend on loot boxes. Maps and modes will be "free" free, no in game currency.
Definitely passing on this one.
Im curious to see how many loot box games the industry can even support. From what I have read its usually only a few % of people that concert in f2p games, and then only a fraction of those are whales.
How many whales can theoretically even exist?
Im curious to see how many loot box games the industry can even support. From what I have read its usually only a few % of people that concert in f2p games, and then only a fraction of those are whales.
How many whales can theoretically even exist?
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