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Bioshock Infinite | Official Spoiler Thread |
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They could take it in a few interesting directions, though I am ultimately curious to see what happens either way.
A different character in columbia would work...but considering the ending is basically saying columbia never existed, it would be odd for them to flesh the world out. But I can't imagine playing booker in a normal world would even capsulate the gameplay of Infinite very well.
thatdamnmook
Member
dat songbird sound effect
totally legit.
BELIEVE
totally legit.
BELIEVE
DICKS AHOY
Banned
GoddyofAus
Banned
Simultaneous events ala Half Life: Opposing Force. You play as a different character as the plot is taking place.
Technosteve
Banned
My Favorite Part of the game was when you see Liz's Menarche Napkin with the disappearing and reappearing stain. I had to use Google to reconfirm what i was looking at. Then i shook my head
Voice of Reason
Banned
Comstock justifies his past actions, and glorifies them, therefore continuing this charade when building Columbia.
Booker regrets his actions, and feels sorry for any type of foreigner after Wounded Knee.
In the Old Elizabeth time line it sounds like Booker never even showed up to prevent the operation. Why was this? Before you get sent to the future you are still on the path to save her, and her advice for controlling Songbird doesn't come in handy until much later.
My working theory is that Old Elizabeth actually created her own time line when she snatched Booker to the future since it sounds like he up and vanished in her time line. She then sends him back with the note and creates a new branch. But there might be something in the game that refutes this.
My working theory is that Old Elizabeth actually created her own time line when she snatched Booker to the future since it sounds like he up and vanished in her time line. She then sends him back with the note and creates a new branch. But there might be something in the game that refutes this.
Yeah there were extended stretches of time where I actually forgot that he existed. He should ideally have been a bigger presence throughout the game. Probably too resource-intensive at the end of the day.
I imagine it would have to be a prequel of sorts, or maybe a side story that takes place during a portion of Booker's journey through Columbia, as seen from another perspective.
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Deleted member 30609
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that's what I mean. The best Songbird bit was the (at the time) shocking moment when it stops and listens to Elizabeth as she pleads with it, and, well, we all knew it was coming. It was also about as far as they ever went with the Songbird characterisation.
GoddyofAus
Banned
Songbird killed him on the bridge.
xxjuicesxx
Member
The baptism at the church in the beginning is the same as the two other baptism events just in different worlds or are these different events?
Why is Comstock infertile but Booker isnt? Variables?
Why is Comstock infertile but Booker isnt? Variables?
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
The tear machine apparently produces radiation or an effect similar to it, resulting in sterility, premature aging, and tumors.
The baptism in the beginning is just a way to 'welcome' new people into Columbia, as you have to be 'washed of your sin' to get in.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Exposure to the tear device.
Different events, Comstock is infertile because of Letuce's experiments.
Different events, same preacher
Comstock messed around with Lutece's tears, which rendered him infertile and aged him considerably in the process. He is actually the exact same age (chronologically) as the Booker you play.
Should have went on media blackout. The only thing I saw was the announcement trailer and the very first gameplay demo they showed back in 2010. Believe me I was very surprised when the action picked up so quick and I was wondering when it would slow down, and then it hit me, "oh this is actually a full blown shooter."
Keyser Soze
Member
Oops wrong thread reality
Booker is not not racist....its up to the player to decide if he is....outcome is the same, but the only indication of whether or not he agrees with all of it comes down to who you throw the ball out...he never comments on the unfairness of living condition, Elizabeth does....he might not be so outward and blatant as Comstock, but I wouldnt say there is any indication that he is not racist as well
EDIT: Songbird tune ringtone...someone get on that.....
EDIT: Songbird tune ringtone...someone get on that.....
It is always possible that in 70 years Columbia became a much bigger entity. Multiple islands perhaps? The only reason I have to believe that they are definitely in Columbia is because when she brings you into the future through a tear, she drops you at Comstock house (on the bridge), there was no more tear traveling in between that scene and the Old Liz scene.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Does anyone have an interpretation of Comstock house? I was quite confused by the strange symbology of that area, and especially some of the signs such as "This is Where We Sleep"
At one point Elizabeth asks Booker why the bathrooms are segregated, and Booker responds with something like "that's just how it is." It was a fairly neutral statement though he didn't sound particularly thrilled about it. I'm gonna say the man's probably not a progressive, however.
You are in 1984 during all of the Comstock house section. I assume the city just degenerates over 70 years much in the same way that Rapture did and Comstock house was the "asylum" of sorts.
Haunted
Member
when media blackouts go wrong
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
There is at least one specific instance in which Booker shows his not being a racist.
On the boardwalk before going to the Hall of heroes to get the Shock Jockey, Booker encounters a black man smoking a cigarette.
When the man splutters upon being spotted and tries to make an excuse, Booker interrupts him with an "it's okay, I ain't no gendarme'. I looked gendarme up, and it appears to be french for a policeman.
He also recognizes the 'terrible' actions that he took as being not forgivable, recognizing that what he did was wrong. At the very least, that's evidence to support his changed behavior since Wounded Knee.
edit: I misread slightly, but yes, it is true that you have an effect on how racist he appears. Out of curiosity, what does he say when you choose to throw the ball at the couple? If you throw it at Fink, he mutters something about "I got your ball right here" or something to that nature.
Speaking of Comstock House, my favorite place in the game... I'll take this opportunity to share some screens I took there. I especially love the last one with the Boy of Silence.
Drag and drop to your URL for 1600x900:
You're kidding, right?
Really hoping we encounter more Boys of Silence in the DLC. Their stay was too short, and I appreciated that they introduced an optional stealth element to the game.
Yes, absolutely.
BrokenEchelon
Banned
I just wanted to say that I hope that this game is in some small part a "fuck you" to BioWare and their unending stream of hamfisted "choices" in their games like "Will you mass murder these people or erect 10,000 homeless shelters?!"
Here ya go
Also this is a really nice thematic overview of Bioshock Infinite (posted by andrew in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=533001&highlight= )
http://peripsuche.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/bioshock-infinite-thematic-analysis.html
could show some use in a potential symbolic/themes section if you ever decided to make one.
Thanks to everyone in this thread for clearing a lot of things up. It's such an excellent story.
I will say that the songbird being in Bioshock 1 is #TeamCG levels of insanity, though. I've listened to all the videos with headphones and the sound effect is either not there, or so quiet it's just coincidence. It's not an obvious paradigmatic device.
I will say that the songbird being in Bioshock 1 is #TeamCG levels of insanity, though. I've listened to all the videos with headphones and the sound effect is either not there, or so quiet it's just coincidence. It's not an obvious paradigmatic device.
Team Klimt
Member
Losing the finger is what gave her the powers. It is a constant.
I haven't listened to the sound yet but it must have been Songbird in Bioshock 1! Fucking Levine, crazier than Kojima.
What a fantastic OP. And an amazing game. Well-done, all around.
I don't think the story is over-complicated at all. What matters most is the presentation, not the story itself. In Bioshock Infinite, mostly every detail is subtle, hidden in the world somewhere, obvious in retrospect. There's a lot of info given toward the end of the game, but it's almost all show, not tell. There are audiologs, but they're also short, brief, and well-edited.
In comparisons to Metal Gear games, they're the exact opposite. Not only are their stories even more complex, but they're also inexplicable. There's also a shitload of retconning as every new game comes out to recontextualize events from earlier games. Conversations go on and on, never-ending. There's no editing, the writing is essentially fan-fiction quality, and there's way more tell than show.
I don't think the story is over-complicated at all. What matters most is the presentation, not the story itself. In Bioshock Infinite, mostly every detail is subtle, hidden in the world somewhere, obvious in retrospect. There's a lot of info given toward the end of the game, but it's almost all show, not tell. There are audiologs, but they're also short, brief, and well-edited.
In comparisons to Metal Gear games, they're the exact opposite. Not only are their stories even more complex, but they're also inexplicable. There's also a shitload of retconning as every new game comes out to recontextualize events from earlier games. Conversations go on and on, never-ending. There's no editing, the writing is essentially fan-fiction quality, and there's way more tell than show.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Literally 1984, or metaphorically? I don't recall Booker stepping into sort of tear prior to entering C-House. My memory is pretty poor for that section. I do recall Old Liz talking about the crazies in C-House, so the asylum interpretation makes sense. I just recall walking around and hearing strange assertions such as Booker not showing for 6 months, and the various signs and vox-a-phones alluding to Liz's disillusionment with Booker as a savior
Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
Ah, I screwed up there slightly.
Booker never comes to terms with his guilt (though he probably does try at some point), he internalizes it and directs it against himself, resulting in his debts and alcohol abuse. His only 'redeeming' aspect comes from getting Anna back from Comstock.
His wife possibly tries to 'save' him going off of Lady Comstock's question (if you believe that Booker's wife and she are the same person) of asking Liz if there is ever a universe where she tries to save Comstock/Booker.
Do you remember walking across the bridge to Comstock house and walking into some fog and feeling like you teleported when you got out? That was the tear to the literal year 1984.
Edit: Also, the 6 months that is talked about after you find your Liz is because when old Liz sends you back to your time, she pops you back 6 years in the future. So pretend the game takes place in March of 1912, she sends you back to September of 1912.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
Member
Ah! Yes! Thanks for reminding me. I remember Booker being surprised by the snow!
Ah, that makes sense. For some reason I was under the impression that Comstock was mainly getting his information through Rosalind and didn't bother too much with the quantum time fuck. The Fink killing Lutece plot from the voxophones slipped my mind.
I really do think the plot of this game is very interesting, and I had a good time dissecting it all, but I feel like having the infinite alternate universe plot device really trivializes the meaning behind your previous actions, and kinda dampers the whole setting of Columbia as well. It started with Booker and Elizabeth skipping through a few universes willy-nilly halfway through the game just to pick up some weapons, not really thinking about what it means to actually be in an alternate universe. I mean, did any of that shit really matter anyways? They could have entered a universe where the Vox were all killed, and at the end you just fight Comstock guys instead of Vox guys. As far as Booker and Elizabeth's actions go, where they were, when they were, and what they were doing didn't really matter until the siphon was destroyed. It was all seemingly orchestrated by random universe rifts that you enter and the Luteces.
I'm interested in seeing what they will do with the DLC. Booker and Elizabeth's story is fairly tied up, with an open ending for speculation. I'm betting it'll focus more on Columbia, which wasn't really the focus of Infinite. I'd be interested in learning more about the key players of the Vox and the Founders.
Check the edit in my original post for an extra tidbit of info.
sleeprockss
Banned
I played through that scene in Fort Frolic again today to see if I could hear songbird, and that sound effect is definitely there. It seems like it triggers when you go near the stage but I think the sound might just be the security camera in another room.
It's meant to trivialize that though. It's intentional.