I dont see the big deal over it only being a slight upgrade. The games will still look great anyways right? Plus sticking with older hardware they came max it out pretty well. I suppose for the people that get off to graphics it would be horrid but then if you did that wouldnt you game only on your PC?
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Could this be the first real PS4 info? (pc.watch.impress.co.jp)
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soco said:if all the major players go wii-style, with consoles only slightly more powerful than what exists today, will this be the beginning of a PC resurgence? hardcore gamers move back to the PC
I'd rather spend $250 on a new vid card every 2.5 years than $1,000 on new consoles every 6 years. I'm thinking of becoming a die-hard PC/handheld gamer... Damn piracy killing my buzz. Where's my GoW2 PC, Epic???
except that deadmeat presents all of that as rumors originating from developers, when most if it is actually pc watch's speculation
i mean, they may be right for all i know, but the original post seems to be inaccurate
edit: wait, isn't gamecyte the place that was just outed as a viral marketing operation for some pr firm? this thread is just bursting with reliable sources
somebody do a proper translation pls
i mean, they may be right for all i know, but the original post seems to be inaccurate
edit: wait, isn't gamecyte the place that was just outed as a viral marketing operation for some pr firm? this thread is just bursting with reliable sources
somebody do a proper translation pls
sony needs to dump ibm and go with intel. they seem to want to get into the console business and sony would have a way easier time getting ports of games if they have a platform that would be practically the same as pc. since sony doesn't believe in BC anymore then i don't see a problem with going with intel. most pc game makers are starting to rely on console games the most and a intel sony box would make it the primary box for pc ports.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume that. Four or five years from now, 1440p and 2160p televisions should be hitting the mainstream for the first time and, with it, the demand for consumer products which take advantage of the new standard. If one of the next-gen consoles is equipped to display in these considerably higher resolutions, while the others do not, then history may very well repeat itself.pswii60 said:
On a more somber note, it will be interesting to see if Microsoft continues down this new-found path of catering to Wii-casuals, with the avatars and party games, or if this is just the proverbial "sticking their toe in the water" in an effort to cover all bases.
If sony go down this route then the xbox360 sequel will be the console for me.
I actually feel there is some credibility to this story. The PS3 is slowly killing sony and I am sure they would love nothing more than to move on. But a wii sized slightly more powerful PS3 will not be under my TV, thats for sure.
I have always trusted sony to push the boundries and without krazy ken I really do think sony will go the wii route.
They will want hardware profibility from launch and so will their shareholders.
I want my HD console to really push the boundries.
I actually feel there is some credibility to this story. The PS3 is slowly killing sony and I am sure they would love nothing more than to move on. But a wii sized slightly more powerful PS3 will not be under my TV, thats for sure.
I have always trusted sony to push the boundries and without krazy ken I really do think sony will go the wii route.
They will want hardware profibility from launch and so will their shareholders.
I want my HD console to really push the boundries.
Private Hoffman
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Narag said:
Being first to the market may have some benefits, but it's largely irrelevant; didn't work for the Dreamcast or Saturn.
And now, for this gen, it's helped Microsoft's position in the sense that its received more third party support, but ultimately the first one out of the gate hasn't been the winner; that's been Nintendo, which launched a year later.
Barso said:
How is the PS3 slowly killing Sony when their market position (at least in the west) has been getting better?
How would simply "starting over" make any bit of sense when the PS3 still remains at a price point of $400?
And yet all we hear from the company is that they are planning a 10 year cycle around the PS3. With the amount of money they've spent invested into the PS3, and with the gains its already made, it would be ridiculous to just start over and rush a product out on the market at an even higher price point that is only marginally more powerful. Sony's bread and butter audience expects competitive technology in their gaming devices.
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Yeah i dont see why they would abandon the Cell, seems to be doing what its meant to do and looks like PC CPU's are going down that route as well so yurrr.
If the console has games running natively at 1080p (well, as often games run 720p today) with memory enough to have textures that take full use of that screen fidelity. What can extra power do exactly? The competition would have to raise their game budgets to $200m if they were to put it on another level assuming they have significantly better spec consoles. Budgets and time are starting to hit the wall with 360/PS3. They can not raise the development cost unless the number of games sold comes closer to movie sales.Barso said:
mr_bishiuk
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To capture the hardcore they cant be a year late again and MS are probably well aware as well. I'll bet both consoles come out in 2011.
TheHeretic
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DeathNote said:
Yeah and Sony has stop making games for the system. Theres nothing coming out for the PS2 anymore.
Much like how MS and Sony targeting the exact same demographic opened the door to the Wii's dominance, I think if everyone rushes to copy the Wii, it will open the door for someone to take over the market by targeting the traditional console gamer.
It would be especially funny if MS and Sony rush to copy the Wii, and Nintendo bitchslaps them again by going the other way.
It would be especially funny if MS and Sony rush to copy the Wii, and Nintendo bitchslaps them again by going the other way.
PS4 to come as a separate console as well as built into certain OLED 40" tv models, release: 10/10/10.
You won't see anything one-sided from those two (SCE has been putting out games in the whole spectrum for years now).
Sony and MS (well Sony at least) are actively developing those 'hardcore' games.Brashnir said:
You won't see anything one-sided from those two (SCE has been putting out games in the whole spectrum for years now).
I love how you guys are throwing in all these irrelevant variables.TheHeretic said:
Life span is simple. It means how long it will be sold despite the successor. People now who never been gaming can buy a cheap ps2 and enjoy games(I know multiple people who have). And in 5-7 years poor people can get a cheap ps3 based on Sony's 10 year life cycle and play the games on their first and new HDTV if they so choose. ...Unlike Microsoft who drops and stops making their consoles... And even if it's sitting on the shelf's(no way to predict that), it doesn't matter, it can live up to the 10 year life cycle claim easily. The only benefit is for Sony anyway by making money rather than the used consoles only being circulated. Nothing to get bothered about.
SIP YEK NOD
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Fuzz Rez said:
Highly debatable. Average joe isn't going to want to own anything bigger than 60", and the difference between 1080p and 1440p isn't noticeable until you're closer than 8 feet.
Higher than 1080p would also use excessive amounts of bandwidth when the current cable infrastructure has trouble handling too many HD channels even though most are still 720p.
The next possibilities are 3D HDTV(not likely) and higher framerate video for higher detail.
VERY few games are native 1080p this generation. I can almost promise you that next-gen XB3, PS4, WiiHD etc won't go beyond 1080p.
1080p will be "more standard" next-gen, with more if not most games being rendered at 1080p natively.
It makes zero sense for games to go beyond 1080p for at least another 15-20 years, not until UHDV / Ultra High Definition Video / Super Hi Vision (7,680 × 4,320p) is consumer technology. That's probably decades (and several console generations) away.
1080p will be "more standard" next-gen, with more if not most games being rendered at 1080p natively.
It makes zero sense for games to go beyond 1080p for at least another 15-20 years, not until UHDV / Ultra High Definition Video / Super Hi Vision (7,680 × 4,320p) is consumer technology. That's probably decades (and several console generations) away.
Oblivion said:
PS1 to PS2 was a bigger leap than PS2 to PS3 in terms of overall visuals/graphics.
That's not even an opinion really, more like fact based on specs, but did also translate to realworld ingame improvements. PS2 to PS3 is pretty big, but just not like PS1 to PS2 which was overwhelmingly huge. PS2 was like 2 orders of magnitude stronger than PS1 (100x) whereas PS3 is barely 1 order of magnitude stronger than PS2 in graphics. Now if you talk about floating point power of CELL over Emotion Engine, PS3 is maybe like 1.5 orders of magnitude but that doesnt translate into a difference you can always see. The PS3 graphics processor is really holding it back because RSX is like a midrange GPU from 2005, its not even highend by 2005 standards, much less when PS3 launched in 2006.
PS2 graphics in 2000 were far beyond the highest-end PCs equipped with GeForce2 or Radeon cards.
SIP YEK NOD
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Oblivion said:
Well they will simply be re-using a highly advanced CPU architecture. They will likely have upped the memory, and heavily upgraded the video card. It would be a decent jump going from 2 generation old PC tech to what will then be 3-4 generations from the current point. a rather substantial jump.
Endurance of TV's and cheap upgrades will play a role for average joes. My tube tv lasted 15 years before we got a decently priced 720p 1080i HDTV.SIP YEK NOD said:
I'm thinking a lot of people will be stuck at 1080i, 720p, and 1080p and not upgrade for a while. I think 1440p will take longer to be as common as 1080p nowadays.
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