digoutyoursoul
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Why would they lie? Makes no sense
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Digital Foundry: Thief for Xbox One edges out the PS4 version
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Why would they lie? Makes no sense
LMAO, this made me laugh out loud.
It's is more likely stupidity, or ignorance. But as a technical specialist, DF are supposed to avoid those.
I dont know guys. I think 16x AF over trilinear filtering is a way bigger deal than 1080p vs 900p with a good AA solution. It doesn't mean that they're saying that on a purely technical level the XB1 version is better, but as an all around experience, id rather have the great texture filtering at 900p than bad filtering at 1080p if the AA solution really does make it as close as DF claims. Now, the framerate could be a problem, but they're saying the minimum is 21fps on XB1 and 25fps on PS4, not the average. If its just occasional dips on both, then both are bad, being under 30fps, but not necessarily a huge difference.
Yes, on a technical level, he PS4 version does seem to be more impressive, but I dont at all blame DF for their recommendation of the XB1 version over it, if everything they says is true.
Yes, on a technical level, he PS4 version does seem to be more impressive, but I dont at all blame DF for their recommendation of the XB1 version over it, if everything they says is true.
Truespeed
Member
Drops to 21 on PS4.
And drops to 20 on the Xbox One. PS4 still has a more consistent FPS even at the higher resolution.
Not lying but they miss several things that would contradict their final decision.
Pop in on X1 too but appears worse:
They say the X1 has POM but it clearly doesn't:
Now add in better resolution and better framerates. Which version is the clear winner here?
MidgarBlowedUp
Member
will definitely pick up whichever version hits the bargain bin first. I do want to play the game but not this bad. hopefully a ps4 patch or its on a steam sale in a month or two.
I'd be fine with DF simply providing the information and then the reader making their minds up which they find most important. But they don't, they downplay resolution differences and generally make subjective comments which don't fit in a technical comparison IMO.
swazzyswess
Member
Arguments like these make me wish the death of AAA would hurry up and get here.
Sure they do. Incompetence can also be just not noticing your own bias when presenting information.
I think you might be misunderstanding what DF does, because they've always made their recommendations. Its NOT purely technical with them. I wouldn't mind a site that is like that, but I'm okay with DF sticking to the format they've done for years. I understand the "downplaying resolution" comments and I thought they've done that in the past, but here I could understand how 900p with a good AA solution on a game that isn't even going for a crisp clear look could look very similar to 1080p. Sometimes there is a clear difference between the two resolutions and sometimes there just isn't. It depends on the AA and the overall look the game is going for.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Maybe but as a long term reader here they have been accused of many things, let's see how stupid and ignorant they are when Metal Gear comes out.
(Not a knock at you btw just an observation )
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Sweet, at least I learned something from this thread. Any other razors besides Hanlon's, Occam's, and Mach 3's?
thelastword
Banned
Metrics aren't relevant in a tech analysis? Well I'll be damned, you're more concerned about the bickering that will ensue than a tech site presenting the facts?
It's as simple as this, a tech site can't be so clueless on on so many things, it shows incompetence or bias, either or. In this analysis, DF did not identify POM differences between the two versions but yet they're all up in the air talking up AF on the XBONE, but downplay the PS4 advantages.
They have set a trend of downplaying advantages on the PS platforms and praising the most trivial advantages on Xbox in the past. Need for Speed Rivals really opened my eyes, these guys were on that same song, talking how better the AO was on the XBONE when it was the PS4 that had the superior implementation all along, had it not been for the devs who corrected them perhaps many would have taken their word as truth and that would have remained unchanged even now.
All of a sudden, they don't notice certain graphical features, so viewers have to constantly point out what they missed most times using their own screens and videos, so who's really doing the objective analysis then? I'll tell you something, DF sure told me all the features that was missing in PS3 Bayonetta and RDR, I don't think they skipped a beat there and you bet ya, they were significant differences to boot.
Oh, it's coming. Probably sooner then you think.
DangerMouse
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Yeah, but they are making subjective decisions based on those numbers. They need to standardise their decision matrix for judging the numbers between writers, or just stick to the numbers.
No complaints when ps4 version is better than the x1 version.....hmm wonder why. Maybe because its a more powerful system.
When a less powerful system gets the 'better' version apparently, people are right to question it.
That's because the Xbox One version actually looks worse.
Seriously.
Because this game doesn't look better than TR: DE.
I hope it can come up close to the sales expectation of SE...but from the reviews, not likely with its current 69 review score.
TR 4million+ copies weren't good enough for SE...I don't even want to know the sale forecast for this game.
This might be the last game Eidos Montreal studio will make, and also the end of the Thief series. If you can't reboot a series on the same quality of TR then don't do it.
The Grim Heaper
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That's the thing, just because they "felt as a whole that version was better," doesn't mean it is. Everyone in here is showing and saying facts that disprove that, mostly on a technical standpoint. They're both bad anyway.
If and when a XB1 multiplatform title looks and performs better than its' PS4 counterpart, then you won't have as many people discrediting it. There's always going to be a select few that will fight you to the death about it, though.
boredandlazy
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Makes plenty of dollars though...
Jessie.Bristol
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Just started playing Thief today on Xbox One. One thing I am glad about is the lack of black crush that was apparent in IGN's comparison. IGN definitely had something messed up with their settings or capture device. My main problem thus far with the game is the frame rate, my god can it be horrid. My first session with the game and I was walking away with a headache. I will most likely finish it, while at the same time consuming a bottle of aspirin. They probably should have delayed the game a little while to polish it up a bit.
digoutyoursoul
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Means fuck all without proof
I see cheques in the post claims about various sites all the time without any evidence
If it was true, vote with your wallet, buy the PS4 version, you would amazed by how many people there are who don't give a shit about what's posted on the internet.
I agree, this isn't like PS3 & Xbox 360 in which the hardware inside of those consoles are just about similar to each other.
PS4 is tons more powerful than Xbox One is due to a much superior GPU & 8 GB's of faster RAM, so multiplats on PS4 should automatically win by default.
TheChewyWaffles
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Yes I'm sure MS paid to have the Xbone version of Thief edge out the PS4 version by the slimmest of margins. All of their hopes were riding on this huge coupe.
boredandlazy
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Sorry, didn't really I needed to put
or /s after that rather obvious joke....Scatter...
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LOL - They totally went out and "stole" this one?
It will never be proved, but people can look at the pattern that has been established both last gen and this new one to draw their own conclusions.
digoutyoursoul
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Sorry, didn't really I needed to put
Yeah sure
miDnIghtEr20C
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Anyone else find it amusing that last gen the internet was ablaze with 400% zooms of GTA 4, and now here we are in the next gen, and we're getting 800% zooms with Thief.
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Ha ha... I love it. The day and age of the net. If only this was around when I was in High School. Dammit... the good times there would of been with Sega vs Nintendo.. hell.. and even the TG16! Heeeyyy Yooo!
(credit to my buddy hdinred for that joke
Ha ha... I love it. The day and age of the net. If only this was around when I was in High School. Dammit... the good times there would of been with Sega vs Nintendo.. hell.. and even the TG16! Heeeyyy Yooo!
UnrealEck
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No need to sell me the console. That screenshot was in reply to someone else regarding the minimum frame rates.
Lord Carnarvon
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I think DF is right. Keep up the good work, guys!
boredandlazy
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Care to explain what they're right about?
vxXJordanXxv
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Lost a lot of respect for Digital Foundry but I have less respect for the developer for using the unreal engine c'mon it is supposed to be next gen. Anyways this whole article feels like a lame pissing contest to me. Just my opinion.
I find it funny that you find it funny that there's a problem when the weaker system's version of a game gets a recommendation over a superior system.
"God" has nothing to do with it son, this is what I like to call "math" and when the numbers don't line up I check them myself.
It's gonna be insane, probably one of the biggest threads of the month.
perfectsil
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people are debating which one of the 2 crappy looking console version of a crappy game is less crappy, seriously neither side wins here
vxXJordanXxv
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Yep Xbox One version looks superior to PC. /endsarcasm. Or didn't ign have something similar.
They are breaking down the Zapruder film in here.
Digital Foundry doesn't have the balls to make a ludicrous statement like that.
It's going to be interesting to see Xbox One and Xbox 360 comparison though.
Chobel
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I hope Respawn nails the 60fps in xbone version, at least nobody will complain about the framerate.
The only way to win is not play Thief
Lord Error
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http://abload.de/img/the_gapqlpov.png
This doesn't looks even close to 16xAF. It's like 2-4x at most, even though PS4 version indeed looks like it has even less (although it has POM where XB1 doesn't)