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Do we have to worry about Notch?
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I think that part of his problem I exactly what you have mostly demonstrated here in this thread. When you become extremely wealthy, you lose friends, peers, empathy to things that have nothing to do with money, and the respect of people who once admired or believed in you. Then, because of your high status, you're surrounded by toxic people who's only interest in you is money. While everyone who isn't as wealthy as you, that you wish to relate and associate with, will never sympathize with any single human difficulties you have. Like money somehow removes your rights to have emotional or psychological turmoil. Wealthy people tend to end up leaving their old associations behind not because they can't keep up with their rich life style, but because those friends and peers reject them.
Sad? Lonely? Depressed? Need help? Scared? All things every single one of us will experience, and compassion and empathy for that should be universal. Regardless of class status.
Sad? Lonely? Depressed? Need help? Scared? All things every single one of us will experience, and compassion and empathy for that should be universal. Regardless of class status.
So many people in this thread need a crash course in empathy...as well as human decency =/ Can't remember the last time I got so annoyed reading a thread, the amount of smug ignorance on display is staggering and upsetting. We really have a ways to go in mental health awareness eh...
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
That's an excellent metric! I'm gonna start using that from now on
You're making it look like he is far worse than he actually is.
gunslikewhoa
Member
Identify a problem / a group of people who need help. Get to work using your money and time to solve said problem / help them. You'll probably begin to feel better.
Life does for the most part suck for a lot of people on this planet, it's a simple fact. So why should some people's fake pretended perfect glossy facebook lies be more acceptable than a cry for attention or help?
I suspect you are a young person in for a rude awakening at some point in your life. Enjoy the ignorance while it lasts.
RoninChaos
Member
There is a very distinct difference between someone living paycheck to paycheck and someone who has the wealth to do anything he wants. "Got a TV" and "Got a billion dollars?" are VASTLY different situations. I'm not against feeling empathy for the guy but it's difficult to feel sorry for someone who has the means to do whatever he wants INCLUDING talking to someone and figuring himself out.
Someone brought up Robin Williams early as a counterpoint about wealth but Robin Williams was never on twitter bitching about how hard it is to party with friends in Ibiza. Robin Williams spent his time, effort, and money trying to make people happy. He called Children's hospitals as various characters to make kids laugh for fucks sake. He didn't shy away from what his talents could do for people because he may have to deal with some corporate assholes. Notch is the opposite. He's going "oh woe is me and my money! I would do something but I don't want to deal with corporate assholes!" With the money he has he doesn't HAVE to deal with corporate assholes. He just doesn't want to do shit and he wants people to empathize and sympathize with him and as you can see, most people do not.
the_batman
Banned
it doesn't seem to be in human nature to feel for someone you perceive to be much better off than you. unless you attach yourself to that person, like when royalty dies or something.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
This thread is perfect example of why depression isn't taken seriously in the world.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
He is not sad because he has money. You'd think people would know depression is a serious issues regardless of success or money
If he does have issues, the fact he is vocalizing them, and not keeping everything internal is at least a plus point.though.
Might as well use this graph again...
Thanks for posting this picture. Never though about it that way.
Agreed on every count. Juvenile is exactly the word I'd use too.
the_batman
Banned
depression is a first world problem, maybe that's why.
i'm sure he could afford some big producers, Kanye, Dr. Dre, etc.
Razorback
Member
I think it's wrong to dismiss these sort of stories.
Our whole society is built around getting money. A few people are so good at it that they accumulate so much that there isn't enough to go around.
If in the end even those guys aren't happy, then that means we got our priorities all fucked up.
Our whole society is built around getting money. A few people are so good at it that they accumulate so much that there isn't enough to go around.
If in the end even those guys aren't happy, then that means we got our priorities all fucked up.
He came into a LOT of money in a very short amount of time. Do you think it unusual for people that hit the lottery to be depressed or have their lives basically ruined shortly after the fact? Money changes everything, and not just for the better. Suddenly you have people that want to be friends with you who don't really want anything to do with you, and you have to figure that out. Then you have people who you did considered friends/loved ones who either can't handle such a drastic change in circumstance or are pissed that they themselves didn't get the windfall(and with whatever they get wonder why it isn't more). On top of all of this, you suddenly find yourself in a position where you really have no reason to really do much of anything at all anymore. Even if Notch wasn't motivated by money originally with Minecraft, it getting as big as it did means that even something he used to love doing won't hold the same feelings anymore.
People are both social creatures and are creatures of habit. Suddenly getting a LOT of money radically changes both of those, and in most cases it's not for the better. As was said, the lack of empathy in this thread isn't surprising, but it's depressing in and of itself. And this is from someone living paycheck to paycheck and still working a +100 hour workweek.
It's too easy to go the way of snarky comments, implying that being wealthy solves all problems and falling into the ludicrous fallacy that "there are people with worse problems than his" (as if that point in itself magically solved Notch's problem).
I'm with all the people that already stated that depression can hit anyone, and it's not too much of a stretch understanding that rubbing shoulders with this kind of lifestyle can be kind of jarring -- namely, the superficiality of some relationships.
Let's just be glad that he's got the resources to try and fight this feeling back. Also, it'd rock to see him turn this feeling back into something that helps him and others once he gets back on his feet again.
I'm with all the people that already stated that depression can hit anyone, and it's not too much of a stretch understanding that rubbing shoulders with this kind of lifestyle can be kind of jarring -- namely, the superficiality of some relationships.
Let's just be glad that he's got the resources to try and fight this feeling back. Also, it'd rock to see him turn this feeling back into something that helps him and others once he gets back on his feet again.
People seem to think money will fix problems. I think he regrets selling his company.
If he's miserable get a job or a blog. If he's depressed he should speak to a mental health professional.
Also if someone afriad of you its maybe time to look at your own actions than blame them.
If he's miserable get a job or a blog. If he's depressed he should speak to a mental health professional.
Also if someone afriad of you its maybe time to look at your own actions than blame them.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
This is a really frustrating thread for me to look at because I see a lot of people who are basically saying
"He doesn't matter anymore because he has more money than I will ever see in my lifetime."
And you wonder why he says he feels isolated. Gosh, what a mystery.
"He doesn't matter anymore because he has more money than I will ever see in my lifetime."
And you wonder why he says he feels isolated. Gosh, what a mystery.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
I hope your joking because I have no clue what this means besides the obvious. Which would be quite dumb.
And most of this thread is asking for the very thing that got him into the situation to begin with. It's kind of ridiculous how short sighted some people can be. Countless studies have been done on lottery winners and such. It ain't all roses and sunshine. Yet, people still can't stop talking about all his money and wanting it. It would personally drive me crazy.
the_batman
Banned
this is common sense. since when did you need to be an expert to realize something so obvious.
people in poor countries don't have time to be depressed. they either survive or die. little johnny in india doesn't like having to work 70 hours a week at the factory? tough shit.
I'm not saying he is in that state, but he might be and the point I was making is that money isn't the limiting factor for anyone who isn't struggling financially.
Maybe he isn't suffering depression, it could be that he's just feeling down but doesn't have anyone he trusts to talk about it with, surely even if we can't relate to his wealth everyone can relate to that no?
Alcoholikaust
Member
Notch needs to just get over himself and do something positive with all his money. No one cares if you are a billionaire and whining on Twitter.
edit: he will get positive attention by doing something good with all he has than just bitching about doing nothing
edit: he will get positive attention by doing something good with all he has than just bitching about doing nothing
RoninChaos
Member
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. He had the means to seek help without ANY of the outside influences that would stop him from doing so. I suffer from depression. I had a gun in my mouth last year. That's his bad it was. I made a decision to try and get help because I didn't want my son to grow up without a father because I couldn't find a way to control my depression. I didn't seek out help originally because I was afraid of what skeletons I might find when I went digging in my closet. I went digging anyway. I made a choice. The same one he can make. It's not easy and walking the road is hard. And it's a lot fucking harder when you're dealing with the day to day responsibilities of life actively stopping you from getting better. HE HAS NONE OF THOSE OBSTACLES. He's not worried about being fired from his job. He's not worried about his health insurance lapsing. No, he's upset because parting in Ibiza isn't fulfilling. Sorry, I have trouble sympathizing with someone who has no obstacles in his way preventing him from trying to get better if he's REALLY suffering from depression. For all we know he could just be bitching because he sold out and people are calling him a sell out.
You think people would at least remember the episode of Lost with Hurley hitting the lotto, and how it ruined the one friendship he had.
I've never said he isn't sad or depressed. The only thing I said is that he can change the situation if he wants to. And that if he is still going to parties and having more or less a normal life he isn't at a point where going to a doctor sounds like a ridiculous idea because he's been inside his house for a month feeling depressed.
Do I understand him feeling sad or lonely because of the drastic changes in his life? Of course I do. But he can change his life, which is more than most people can say.
Yes, I agree with that. But as I said, I think his condition is being overblown just because he tweeted a few lines (the thread title makes it seem like he is going to commit suicide). Maybe he just had a bad day and needed to vent.
Yeah, if anything this thread basically proved his point.
EnlightenedMint
Member
No it's not, stop being so damn ignorant.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-map-of-depression-rates-around-the-world/
| Praxis |
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I can't imagine not having to worry about anything that money can buy anymore. I think I'd be like Notch and have a hard time. It's bad enough when you have the money to buy loads of games, you just sit there in limbo, with so many options you don't actually feel like playing any and when you do, it isn't the same as when you're strapped for cash and only have the one to play. Imagine that, but applied to your whole life, you can't trust people completely, there will always be that doubt in your mind about the reasons these people are around you. I know my wife has stayed with me when I haven't had a penny to my name, I can take solace in that, I know she's with me for who I am rather than what I can provide. I envy his money and success but at the same time feel for the guy.
Ignorance is bliss.
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
oh come off it
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
His Ibiza example was to accentuate his situation and how he's tried to deal with it and the absence of any solution evident to him. As is the more humble (and important) examples of being left by someone he loved and the boredoms he faces waiting for his regular joe friends to get off from work while he sits staring at a computer screen. The wealth he's accumulated has hit a singularity of usefulness in his own mind yet he still faces difficulties he possible feels ill-equipped, in experience and knowledge, to deal with. This is possibly (dangerous armchair hypothesis here) an adverse consequence of his rapid influx of wealth and over reliance on it as a solution to life issues, which for most people include bills, housing, food, and novelty entertainment goods/adventures.
Maybe he is an asshole. I don't fucking know, because I don't follow his twitter, I don't follow his business and economic adventures, and haven't expressed much interest in the lifestyle of Notch beyond various bullshit posted here and elsewhere about Minecraft's fortune, selling to Microsoft, and some house party pictures I saw a little back. That's a lie; I did see him in an interview once, and he seemed pretty quiet and grounded, but TV is TV so who knows what he's really like.
Many people suffer personal issues in life and don't know how to seek a solution. Having wealth is extremely useful in these situations, but not a solution in itself nor does it immediately reward you with answers and direction if you don't already know them.
You've presented a version of him that is, to be perfectly honest and from my perspective (and hey, feel free to disagree), hugely judgemental and laden in a bias of your own perspective on his wealth and what that means. He's just fucking sad dude. Sad that someone he loved left him because of his wealth and lifestyle when he probably thought he was living well. On a holiday in a notorious party destination and bored shitless and feeling like he cannot connect with anybody. He can absolutely take steps to fix it and being wealthy as fuck gives him a huge advantage in doing so. But does he know how to fix it? Does he know the steps he should take? Does he know how to satiate those internalised feelings of loneliness and isolation?
Have you offered him advice? Or are you too busy accusing him of not wanting to do anything about it?
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Have you ever been depressed?
Where do you live?
Do you think being white and rich stops depressed?
NippleViking
Banned
Alright, well you oughta be able to back that up. How do you know all of this? Singling out a big chunk of human emotion to one group is a pretty lofty thing to do.
Sickboy007
Member
He has brought real happiness into millions of lives, and his success and the culture around Minecraft have revolutionised how the industry works (for the best IMHO). I hope he can learn to appreciate that.
the_batman
Banned
i'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that it's not as thought upon.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
He's just live tweeting the growing pains of coming into a ridicuous amount of money. Everybody with new money has the friends change on you/people started to look at me different story. He just hasnt adjusted yet.
RoninChaos
Member
Exactly. He needs to get some help and then work on things that he finds meaningful. He has practically every obstacle removed that would prevent him from doing what he wants now that he has that cash. His comment that he would do something like Elon Musk but doesn't want to deal with assholes shows that he doesn't understand that he doesn't HAVE to deal with those people now.
This is a disgusting and shameful line of thought and I hope you educate yourself on what depression is and the hardships people who suffer from it go through.
malingenie
Member
Unnecessarily mean way to talk about a struggling human
Depression is a problem in all societies. In poor or otherwise miserable societies people with tendencies towards depression just don't attract attention, since everybody thinks "Well he is poor/sick/miserable, of course he is depressed!".