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Doom announced (id/Bethesda, PC/PS4/XB1, idtech6, 1080p/60fps, gore), first details
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SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I think the best gamepadders could hold their own against average mousers, but the best mousers look like aimbots. It would be a complete slaughter.
But game devs have made so many tweaks that with aim assist, movement speed and level design that the overall experience isn't much different as long as all players use the same input device.
AgentOtaku
Member
we can only hope.
whoa, what's the story behind this!?
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Story in an FPS is like story in a porno, &c...
They're probably bringing John in as a consultant, which is more likely than John learning how to design highly-detailed modern maps with tools he doesn't recognize.
Dictator93
Member
we can only hope.
Guys, we are about to be made someone's bitch.
AgentOtaku
Member
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
I say that because John, when asked by Doomworld people if he would consider making a new Doom episode, said that he'd do just that, but only after learning Doom Builder 2's in-and-outs and after playing stuff like Back to Saturn X a whole lot. Imagine if id would give him a full salary and stay at their place to work on New Doom...even if he'd just be doing an extra episode, the prospect certainly sounds cool.
I don't know that Doom needed more gore. That was always a gimmick, not an important piece. Violence is in the DNA but I'd rather this not turn into God of War.
Rather the important parts were in the level design, things don't have to look like things in real life, levels were levels because they were fun. I don't know the feasibility of it these days but with great effort you can have engaging levels in realistic environments with some suspension of disbelief.
The other thing was the encounters. Enemies don't need to be smart if there's many of them. Dodging slow moving fireballs from 360 degrees from 10 enemies was the feeling Doom had. Single enemies weren't threatening, but horde management was a skill.
I hope they can nail down those aspects.
Rather the important parts were in the level design, things don't have to look like things in real life, levels were levels because they were fun. I don't know the feasibility of it these days but with great effort you can have engaging levels in realistic environments with some suspension of disbelief.
The other thing was the encounters. Enemies don't need to be smart if there's many of them. Dodging slow moving fireballs from 360 degrees from 10 enemies was the feeling Doom had. Single enemies weren't threatening, but horde management was a skill.
I hope they can nail down those aspects.
Oveja Negra
Member
I'm wondering if Id Tech 6 is Carmack's last contribution to Id Software. If not, who's the brain behind the engine?
Anyways, count me excited for the news.
Anyways, count me excited for the news.
ClaptoVaughn
Member
Romero coming back to iD and helping make Doom 4 awesome would be a comeback story for the ages.
I'm wondering if Id Tech 6 is Carmack's last contribution to Id Software. If not, who's the brain behind the engine?
Anyways, count me excited for the news.
Dunno, but it's a team called core Technology Group (going with zenimax hiring page)
and to be honest I hope John Carmack put little to nothing in this new engine before he left since id-tech 4 and id-tech 5 were huge disasters.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
They need to have bodies stay on the floor that was one thing doom was amazing about .
To see how many enemies you mowed through to get to the end.
To see how many enemies you mowed through to get to the end.
nextgeneration
Member
Completely agreed and one of my pet peeves about many games these days.
Oveja Negra
Member
Care to elaborate?
I'm an old fart that lived the birth of FPS and my last loved game was Half-Life franchise. After that I only played Portal games.
I can't wait to try this game, but ...
Standing ovation ?
I think I have different tastes.
There is a massive lack of context here. It's one thing to read just that statement and another to be there, see it properly and either have you expectations squashed or exceeded. Further to that, this was shown to the most passionate of the Doom fans that typically attend quakecon. If anything, there expectation would be higher than most, so it bodes well, but obviously peoples tastes there at quakecon are very similar to each other as fans of ID over the years.
My imagination leads me to think this may be similar to my first experience of Brutal Doom, and having my expectations from what I was told by friends and what I had read, completely obliterated
soulassssns
Banned
Exactly how were they disasters?
Id tech 4 (Doom 3, Quake 4, Prey, Brink) runs like garbage on consoles, it also demanded too much of that era PC GPUs for it's shitty lighting system and used in few games (like 6 games or something). then we got Id Tech 5 that lock on 60fps and can't go more than that on even most powerful PC ever because that is hardcoded or something and still Rage and TNO have performance issues on PC, the megatextures look ugly as sin and can't scale right. and it can't support open world games (and used on only 3 games).
OK, which wad is this? I want to play that now.I'd love to see stuff like this when entering a new area.
Very few people have licensed them and their modding and Indie communities are near-non-existent (Doom 3 has a bit of one to be fair). Compared to rivals like the Unreal Engine I think those are good enough signs they didn't do especially well.
I'd love to see stuff like this when entering a new area.
Image broke for anyone else?
TheMan
Member
maybe if john was still there
Dictator93
Member
Stencil shadows are hard on CPU performance and not GPU performance really. Hence why they did so many tricks to make the stencil shadows run better in 2004, but then made it multi-threaded with doom 3 bfg, hence why it runs at 60 on consoles.
AuthenticM
Member
evilromero
Member
This Romero thing is interesting. Legit?
Not to rag on the guy but it's not like he's got a lot going on. With his house burning down last year the ID job was well timed for him.
Ixion
Member
Those two members at Doomworld, GoatLord and Caffeine Freak, spoke about the graphics a bit more...
Seeing as the teaser was entirely pre-rendered, this is pretty promising.
Some more tidbits:
GoatLord said:
Caffeine Freak said:
Seeing as the teaser was entirely pre-rendered, this is pretty promising.
Some more tidbits:
Caffeine Freak said:
Caffeine Freak said:
Caffeine Freak said:
GoatLord said:
GoatLord said:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
He might have been one of the people contributing to the environment that drove away essentially everybody behind Wolfenstein, Doom I&II, and Quake I.
Ixion
Member
He posted this the next day:
Seeing as he still hasn't seen the new Doom preview and he hasn't seen Kevin Cloud in a while (the current Lead Artist at ID), I doubt he's involved. But maybe I'm misunderstanding.
Kydd BlaZe
Member
Man all of that sounds really amazing. I need to see footage ASAP.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Still no images or a 5 second video anywhere? How is that possible?
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
I have no idea if he's played it. He simply said that the mappers of today will continue to out-do him if he doesn't play through their stuff and learn their tools.
And wow, his house burned down? Karma's made a bitch out of him...and has forced him to make Facebook games.
There might be a thread for this elsewhere (I'm on my phone), but the head of engine/rendering for Crytek for the past 10 years, Tiago Sousa, has left Crytek to join id. I'm sure he will be in a guiding position for idtech6. For the first time in years things are looking up for id (as Crytek stumbles?)
The twitter replys are a who's who of the fame rendering world (including Carmack)
twitter
The twitter replys are a who's who of the fame rendering world (including Carmack)
peanutbutterlatte
Member
I hope Hell Knights look like scary goats again in this one.
Holy shit are you playing with your feet or something? Didn't realise some gamers could be so bad with controllers.
I believe that was Crytek's E3 demo at the EA press conference.
This just raises more questions. If that's how devs plays their own game, what are most gamers like with a controller? Must be why so many people hate them as they just suck with it.
Druz
Member
Or maybe the games suck because the devs are programmer and artists but don't play games?
I am the absolute worst with controller while playing FPS. Need that mouse and keyboard precision.
Beats me, it's just eye opening to see how shit people can be with a controller. I have something to imagine when people slag off controllers now, this is how they play.
Ever since GoldenEye and the PSone port of Quake II, I've got on fine with controllers to play FPS's.
Although I used to have a mate who could still only play racing games with a D Pad. Even with the advent of Gran Turismo 4 he would insist on using it, although all credit to him, he was a dab hand in split screen!
Although I used to have a mate who could still only play racing games with a D Pad. Even with the advent of Gran Turismo 4 he would insist on using it, although all credit to him, he was a dab hand in split screen!
