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Early reactions to Alien: Covenant are in
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Inceptional
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Just the fact that people are even still thinking about it 5 years on means Ridley did something right. I just love that Ridley gives absolutely zero fucks about what people think of his work. The man is 79 and he's gonna do what HE wants. Fuckin' A man!
Lys Skygge
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I agree. I actually enjoyed Prometheus. It was much better than Alien 3 and Resurrection.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah I have problems with it but still enjoy most of it.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No it doesn't.
How does that even work?
Alienfan
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(Today, 06:22 PM)
Inceptional
Member
You really come off as a troll man.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You didn't answer my question.
People are still thinking about The Phantom Menace. Fuckin' A, George. Yousa do yousa!
andythinkpad
Member
Not watching it in theater because I don't want to encourage the same shit for 2 more movies.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
This isn't exactly an "any publicity is good publicity." situation. People still talk about The Phantom Menace. Or a more apt comparison, The Dark Knight Rises.
Hate click is what happened to Prometheus. It's wasn't great, but it was by far the best Alien movie since Aliens.
Inceptional
Member
Fuck yea! This is gonna be a looooong two weeks for me. https://youtu.be/WxyCoaQvG1Y
Also, possible spoilery thoery:
Also, possible spoilery thoery:
What if the Engineers descended from Aliens like we descended from Apes? It would help that mural in Prometheus sure make a lot more sense. Also, what if David's final experiment is to facehug Walter, finally birthing the "perfect organism." It would make sense since he looks at himself as God now, therefore the final xeno would be a perfect combo of primal engineer and machine.
bggrthnjsus
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prometheus is a million times better than alien 3 and resurrection and all the avp movies combined
brandonh83
Banned
Yep. Try as they might, nobody can convince me that Alien 3 is good. I will say the extended cut makes it better in some ways, and Fincher did decent directing work but I just do not like the story or outcome. Prometheus has some dumb writing problems due to them playing shuffle with what they wanted the movie to BE and mixing different writers but I was still engaged and wanted to see what came next.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Alien 3 is okay at best. It's too broken to be GOOD, I think.
But since Resurrection is bad and Prometheus is amazingly worse somehow, Alien 3 still hold onto that #3 spot.
Speaking of Prometheus, one of my favorite film critics, Matt Zoller Seitz, is currently livetweeting his second-ever viewing of the film (first since it opened) if you'd like to follow along.
Takamura-San
Member
The only thing this movie need to be better than prometius, is for the main characters to make decisions that are more intelligent than 2nd grade kids.
Alien 3's main problem is that it's just boring as fuck. Prometheus is many things, but it's not that. Even Resurrection provides some entertainment in its shittyness.
The original Alien does indeed feature people doing stupid stuff.
brandonh83
Banned
Man Resurrection isn't just bad, it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen lol. At least 3 is competently made despite being drab.
Bobby Roberts was wrong.
GaijinZero
Member
Japanese release is September 15... Guess I'll be importing the BluRay before then. At least once the movie is over, I'll still have something to show for it. God damn you, Japanese cinema operators.
brandonh83
Banned
I liked the underwater sequence in Resurrection. That's all I got.
^^yes it is lol
^^yes it is lol
I know Japan tends to get movies later, but my god that's late!!!
Banjotanooki
Member
It was so bizarre seeing Moana as an in-flight movie on the plane heading back to Japan when it wasn't even released there yet, lol.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It won't.
I still think they should have kept Vickers alive in Prometheus. It would have gotten rid of the dumb rolling ship death and given David someone worth experimenting on since they actually hated each other.
Edit: This is assuming David actually does something cruel to Shaw instead. This would be totally unearned by the events in Prometheus and the covenant prologue.
Edit: This is assuming David actually does something cruel to Shaw instead. This would be totally unearned by the events in Prometheus and the covenant prologue.
But it's not.
Sure, argue that it's worse than Alien 3, but Resurrection? How is that possible?
Whatever else Prometheus might be, it's visually beautiful. Resurrection is a full serving of shit, Prometheus is shit with sprinkles.
Inceptional
Member
Who are you, Nostra-fucking-damus?
It's been five years. What's going to happen that people suddenly (or gradually, whatever) come around on a movie most have decided is kinda poor?
I like it. Watching Life recently made me realize how far ahead Prometheus was in terms of quality despite its problems.
People always bring this up. Those early BvS reactions were mostly from random people/fan screenings on Twitter, not actual critics whose reviews end up on RottenTomatoes.
(And I'm not sure what you're referring to with the Thor mention.)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Alien Resurrection is also pretty decently shot. It's not like Jeunet is some sort of slouch, visually.
For me, Resurrection wants to be, and is, a stupid, self-referential sitcom version of ALIENS. It's failure as a movie comes down to a) that unfortunate aim in the first place and b) the lackadaisical, half-ass attempt at that bullseye. It aims low, and mostly misses. Yet it's ultimately more successful at being what it wants to be than Prometheus is.
Prometheus wants to be a gateway to a grand mythology full of philosophical revelation and engaging ideas/possibilities, that also wants to be a horror movie, that fucks up almost everything but two scenes of the horror movie bit.
So yeah, both films are pretty. Prometheus is prettier. But it's also dumber, clumsier, and as a result of attempting to aim higher, also has farther to fall. And it hits most of the fucking rocks on the way down to that bottom.
My initial statement is confusingly worded, looking at it. I don't mean to say that Prometheus is significantly worse than Resurrection. It's only barely worse. The two are very close together on the quality scale (and amazingly, both aren't too far above Alien vs Predator. The quality of all three films are in the same egg chamber). My usage of amazingly was meant to highlight that despite all the tools, all that time, all that preparation, and all that possibility, amazingly, the sum of its parts ended up being lesser than the what Jeunet tossed off on a lark because Fox thought throwing money at him was a good idea.
Dreadnought
Member
Why are they even still making Alien movies?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They make money and the creature is very, very recognizable in general pop culture.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
People really give modern Ridley too much credit
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
Member
It can't be worse than Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, AVP, AVP: R or Prometheus, can it?
Messofanego
Banned
Prometheus ain't better than Alien 3 or even AVP!
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It can, sure.
The hope is that it isn't.
That simplifying the story and focusing on the horror movie aspect much, much more over the mythology (such as it is) will make for a more efficient, effective thriller.
That and a fucking shitload of blood.
I'd rather rewatching Resurrection, AVP, or AVP2 than Prometheus. I think that speaks of what I think of it. It's a total mess of a film. Tonally, plot, characters, etc. The complete package of how to have no idea what it wants to do. Does it want to be Alien? Aliens? Something new? Who knows. It's pretty at least.
Resurrection while a bad film, is at least consistent with what it is. Well shot, the story flows along well, and hell, I even liked the characters a bit.
AvP is the same, it's not a good film, but it's not trying to be anything else than a fanservice flick. AvP2, same. I can't dislike either for that reason, and also, bias is I'm a huge Predator fan and AvP2 did do that right. They made it a hunter again.
Resurrection while a bad film, is at least consistent with what it is. Well shot, the story flows along well, and hell, I even liked the characters a bit.
AvP is the same, it's not a good film, but it's not trying to be anything else than a fanservice flick. AvP2, same. I can't dislike either for that reason, and also, bias is I'm a huge Predator fan and AvP2 did do that right. They made it a hunter again.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Seriously though, Seitz's livetweet of the film is pretty damned entertaining right now.
Alter_Fridge
Member
I'm not sure if I hate it because it's been so overdone in the Alien movies or because it's such a dumb ass thing to do in the depths of horrible space
But because Alien was first I'll give it a pass
How About No
Member
Prometheus trying to pass itself off as an avant-garde philosophical epic is more lolworthy than anything else. Still a fun movie tho
On a world where Trump is leader of the Free world, is the Prometheus plot so far fetched?
Checkmate
FrenchMovieTheme
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Prometheus did very little right. It started off very promising and then went to shit shortly thereafter. It was pretty fucking bad and talking about how bad something is years later doesn't mean you did something right.
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