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Fighting Games Weekly | June 9-15 | Q Bomb is Top Tier
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SousedLouse
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Most of the frustration about MvC3's roster was based on the idea that the game's release was supposed to be this big event - 10 More Years, and all that - and yet Capcom and Marvel alike were "wasting slots" on irrelevant characters.
And yes, there was a little backlash against the competitive MvC2 players - characters like Tron (heh), Storm or Akuma caught some flack because some fans were convinced they were picked over possible new characters due to how heavily they were used in tournaments. Of course, some people were also upset that characters like Psylocke, Spiral and Captain Commando weren't making a comeback despite the fact they were tourney staples. And both of those reactions are only a small part of the overall dissatisfaction fans had towards the roster before the game was released.
At least, until Sentinel was announced. 10 More Years went from a battle cry to a death knell overnight. And he was one of the last few characters Capcom teased, too, so that pissed all over the event hype that people were enjoying.
And yes, there was a little backlash against the competitive MvC2 players - characters like Tron (heh), Storm or Akuma caught some flack because some fans were convinced they were picked over possible new characters due to how heavily they were used in tournaments. Of course, some people were also upset that characters like Psylocke, Spiral and Captain Commando weren't making a comeback despite the fact they were tourney staples. And both of those reactions are only a small part of the overall dissatisfaction fans had towards the roster before the game was released.
At least, until Sentinel was announced. 10 More Years went from a battle cry to a death knell overnight. And he was one of the last few characters Capcom teased, too, so that pissed all over the event hype that people were enjoying.
What are these terms?!?!?!?! Dahbomb has clearly lost it. Kappa
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Are MK fans mad Ed Boon threw out the spoiler bomb that Cassie Cage is Johnny Cage and some other MK character's daughter?
The funny part is that catering to competitive players is exactly what (U)MvC3 did, and probably what makes it so hard to grow the competitive scene.
Like you have a game where Phoenix Wright can team up with or face off against She-Hulk, among other ridiculous matchups, and all we get are some one-liners and a few lines and pictures in the endings?
I used to not think story modes, single-player content, or other things like that were that important in fighters, but now I realize that making a bare-bones game with just arcade/versus/training/online, especially one full of well-known characters, effectively cuts out everybody except for those who spend a lot of time on fighters anyway.
That Dude John
Member
I thought the more interesting tidbit was that Kiefer Sutherland isn't actually in the game.
Slamtastic
Member
Where did they say that?
irfaanator
Banned
frying pan and crouch b are too strong yo
That Dude John
Member
Ed Boon was on Day 3 of the Giant Bomb's E3 podcast. He mentioned being surprised that no one asked him about that specifically during the whole conference, and that the answer was "No".
Slamtastic
Member
Now that I think about it, didn't they say a while back that the next MK game would feature an original character from the upcoming theatrical movie reboot by the web series guy? The one whose plot details included an everyman who worked at a store of some kind who gets wrapped up in the MK series events?
Of course, it's been quiet on the info front on the movie for a while now too.
Of course, it's been quiet on the info front on the movie for a while now too.
they are the bane of my existence
Lambda Pie
Banned
when's the next big tournament?
Spooku playing Ultra online:
http://www.twitch.tv/team/fgcpros
http://www.twitch.tv/team/fgcpros
Slamtastic
Member
That's really weird.
I did Mortal Kombat, and that's such a huge game, but its so not like [MGS5]."
IGN claims that is a direct quote. He wasn't in any previous ones(?)
SousedLouse
Member
No, he definitely wasn't. That is weird. And he name dropped MK well before MKX was announced, but not too far back as to be vague. Maybe he's referring to another game altogether?
Supposedly they tried to add all that stuff. At least, that's what they told the handful of Marvel staff that spoke to the press about the game. It seems like they just failed to do so. Twice in a row. Or maybe they just lied? I supposed the Shadow Battles and Heroes and Heralds stuff was supposed to make up for it, but both of those modes were poorly executed as well.
I went into the abyss and came out a broken man.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Personally I love the more characters they show. As someone who loves reading comics (Marvel especially) and is a big fan of Capcom games, the game was always going to be appealing to me (with the exception of Hawkeye). But competitively I don't play it due to the stupidity of X-factor. I played through single player as one of those people in supposed minority who does enjoy single player in fighting games. Arcade mode featuring Marvel and Capcom characters is a awesome. I also enjoy doing all the missions in fighting games.
That Dude John
Member
I dunno. Look at it yourselves. Maybe he's not being entirely serious?
http://www.giantbomb.com/videos/giant-bomb-live-e3-2014-day-3/2300-9133/
Skip to 9:10
CountBlack
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:cryfam:
direct_quote
Member
Sounded like Mike is going to low-tier hero him perhaps?
this is hilarious blackule, let me live off of your salt.
SousedLouse
Member
Thanks for the link. The denial was a solid punchline, so it could go either way. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
It's not like Honda's any better.
I think it should've built on 4's roster and had a decent single player mode, instead of removing characters and bringing in new ones. Not sure what the consensus is with SCV but I think it should've done what TTT2 did and just throw everything in. Basically I guess if you go for a reboot it still has to feel like value. It did release at a time where there were many other options and I ended up playing it for like a week, while I stuck with 4 for a year or so.
irfaanator
Banned
so many shots were fired there
Are those legit questions or examples.
because I can give you an answer if you want.
your avatar goes in sync with the majority of your post village
Look up who owns the film rights. Then you might notice a pattern.
Nope still doesn't make sense really because movie rights does not equal game rights.
Seasoned Badger
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But the game rights also belongs to different companies. Activiation holds, held the x-men and spiderman rights for awhile now.
Kirblar is saying that Marvel doesn't want to promote those characters more than necessary. They're kind of fucked with Spiderman though, since he's still like their most popular comic.
Ragingnight
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wolverine, x-23, magneto, storm, sentinel, phoenix, skrull, doom and spiderman all say hi.
Film rights had nothing to do with Marvel 3 character roster. Upcoming film marketing on the otherhand? Probably had an influence in the case of avengers + strange
Karsticles
Member
It's nice when avatars coincide with personalities. That's why everyone liked your Cloud avatar.
It does make sense, outside of Spiderman merchandise (since it's their biggest property), even in toys/TV and stuff you see a lack of X-Men promotion hence the game not being as X-Men heavy.
They did want a Spiderman villain (Doc Octopus) at one point. But apparently it wasn't feasible from a technical standpoint: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=35412
Ragingnight
Member
thats different. We're talking about character inclusion.
Gambit did not get excluded because fox owns the film rights because what happened in regards to magneto, storm, sentinel, x-23, wolverine, doom, skrull and etc.
Let's be real here...
No game company at the time of MVC3's inception was holding characters like Gambit or Venom for hostage.
The main explanation for characters like Gambit/Venom not making in MVC3 was because those characters were not the main focus of Marvel at that time in terms of promotion. A character like X23 made it in because she had a new comic series coming out at the time and it worked like cross promotion. Hell almost the entirety of the characters in UMVC3 on the Marvel side were a result of cross promotion for future products:
Dr Strange - New movie coming out
Iron Fist - New TV series or movie in the work
Ghost Rider - Ghost Rider 2 cross promotion
Hawkeye - Avengers cross promotion
Rocket Raccoon - GotG cross promotion
Nova - GotG/Marvel cinematic universe cross promotion
Bottom line is that characters like Gambit/Venom didn't make it in NOT because of they couldn't be in because of movie/game rights but because Marvel had other characters they wanted to promote for some reasons. That said you can't expect random Joe Schmoe who played MVC1/MVC2 to understand this so they are right to complain about it if they want.
SloaneRisette
Member
Like at a tournament? I'll watch matches and be on my phone on Twitter and GAF a bunch, which I do a lot since I never tend to play casuals at tournaments (which I should probably fix)
No, but the game isn't as X-Men heavy as previous VS titles. It's a bit of both. X-Men is still going to have a bigger presence than their other franchises because it's one of their biggest properties despite not owning the film rights.
Exactly, though I do think lacking the rights does affect which properties they'd rather push to some extent.
Missed this since apparently 4 of us posted at exactly the same time. This is pretty much what I'm saying too.
Ragingnight
Member
Captain America
Deadpool
Doctor Doom
Dormammu
Hulk
Iron Man
Magneto
M.O.D.O.K.
Phoenix
Sentinel
She-Hulk
Shuma-Goratha
Spider-Man
Storm
Super-Skrull
Taskmaster
Thor
Wolverine
X-23
yeah not nearly as x-men heavy. Just 31% of the marvel cast.
Karsticles
Member
X-23 and Deadpool are in different categories. X-23 is in her own generation of mutants, and Deadpool is Deadpool.
Sometimes tournaments (at least, the few I've been to) don't have casual stations since they're all taken for tournament matches, which is a shame. I understand the need though. If you play more niche games, they generally have setups going throughout a tournament though which is nice.
In a lobby, I try to think about why I lost, but honestly I more often just browse GAF. :V
I didn't say it wasn't X-Men heavy, I said it wasn't as heavy as previous VS titles. I'm not going to argue and compare character lists, my point is that Marvel has properties they'd rather push. I do feel film rights and other properties dictate which properties they'd rather push in the future to some extent. It's not as heavily pronounced in Marvel 3, but it does apply to some of their other properties like a lack of an X-Men tv show and merchandise.
Spiderman they apparently did want to keep pushing, but Doctor Octopus had technical difficulties.
Spiderman they apparently did want to keep pushing, but Doctor Octopus had technical difficulties.
Ragingnight
Member
still under FOX in terms of movie rights.
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Movie rights had little to no say when it comes to mvc3 character roster. Movie promotion on the otherhand did.
He's right though... it's not as X Men heavy as the previous VS games with the only exception being Marvel Super Heroes.
MVC2: 18 out of 28 characters were X Men which makes it a 64% cast of Marvel made up of X Men characters.
MVC1: 3 out of 8 characters were X Men (still more ratio than MVC3 at 37%) but the more important fact is that ALL BUT ONE of the assist characters were X men characters. The boss was an X men character as well.
Marvel Super Heroes: 4 out of 12 were X Men characters (so about the same ratio as MVC3).
X Men COTA and X Men vs SF had an entire X Men roster essentially.
Edit: Pretty sure Deadpool is under FOX rights as they are planning a Deadpool movie.
MVC2: 18 out of 28 characters were X Men which makes it a 64% cast of Marvel made up of X Men characters.
MVC1: 3 out of 8 characters were X Men (still more ratio than MVC3 at 37%) but the more important fact is that ALL BUT ONE of the assist characters were X men characters. The boss was an X men character as well.
Marvel Super Heroes: 4 out of 12 were X Men characters (so about the same ratio as MVC3).
X Men COTA and X Men vs SF had an entire X Men roster essentially.
Edit: Pretty sure Deadpool is under FOX rights as they are planning a Deadpool movie.
Movie promotion is only a thing now, not when MvC3 or UMvC3 came out. See: pushing Iron Fist.
Not only that, but the promotion stuff is very flimsy considering Spider-Man cartoon characters are being pushed in merchandising. Pretty fair to say that rumour was some bullshit.
Just a heads up to anyone interested: I'm doing a small PSN team tourney for Ultra.
To those interested.
No one really gives half a crap about gambit anymore, thats it really. Marvel keeps trying though.
And as for spider man villians, if your name isn't Venom and possibly a goblin or a nerdy cotipus no one really cares about you either. But really if your name isn't venom eh. Combine that with the rise of their other super hero's like the avengers, yeah spidey's rouge galler isn't looking so hot.
Although Venom isn't even a villian anymore so if Marvel 4 did happen and he got in, it would be the one with guns.
But you all aren't asking the important questions
No one really gives half a crap about gambit anymore, thats it really. Marvel keeps trying though.
And as for spider man villians, if your name isn't Venom and possibly a goblin or a nerdy cotipus no one really cares about you either. But really if your name isn't venom eh. Combine that with the rise of their other super hero's like the avengers, yeah spidey's rouge galler isn't looking so hot.
Although Venom isn't even a villian anymore so if Marvel 4 did happen and he got in, it would be the one with guns.
But you all aren't asking the important questions
Why isn't galactus's canon , super moe animu daughter in mahvel 3
