I have a feeling it was a bug in FE2's dev and was made a feature in the final release of FE2, as characters that are never mages and start in the merc line in FE2 have functioning non-generic spell learnsets.
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Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia |OT|
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I have a feeling it was a bug in FE2's dev and was made a feature in the final release of FE2, as characters that are never mages and start in the merc line in FE2 have functioning non-generic spell learnsets.
Absolutely love this. It's actually intuitive!
Cow Mengde
Banned
The original game actually came out before Shining Force. I think they came out the same year as well.
You should promote ASAP. It's not like the other games. You promote by going into shrines and talking to Mila's statue.
Starwolf_UK
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I've heard a few people theory it being a bug but if that was the case you would expect things to get really buggy when it comes to the spells the looped mercenaries learn:
https://serenesforest.net/gaiden/characters/magic-levels/
I don't know how the data is stored in Gaiden but usually when you overflow data things get really weird for example Phantasy Star IV if you get your characters to level 99 where many stats were reduced or swapped between characters, and several attack skills could be wiped from your characters memory.
That does beg the question why only Dread Fighters loop back why not everyone else
yes I'm aware Villager's fork exists
C.Olimar788
Member
This looks fun and neat. Can't decide whether to pick up this or Revelations next, just finishing up Conquest and while I'd like to finish up Fates full stop, it'd be nice to take a break from those characters for a while as well...
SuperCambot
Banned
I just played the first mission and all the children died. I led them to slaughter.
I need some practice, I think...
I need some practice, I think...
I did the same thing and felt like a total idiot for completely disregarding what the old man says lol
DecoReturns
Member
It's weird having Armor units that can keep up
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Forsyth is my favorite character
Starwolf_UK
Member
Affection points. Get enough and you'll find the characters can talk to each other to gain support rank.
There are also some support bonuses that can't level up and have no indicator besides some in-battle stats being different when the characters in question are nearby.
Thanks I was wondering why some weren't working when they were standing next to each other so I thought maybe this game was different.
TheMoon
Member
I propose adding "Promote ASAP" to the OT as a subtitle, also a nice way to make the OT title not look bland af.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
I been meaning to ask, is the "# of day's" significant other than window dressing?
Is there a story or objective penalty if you backtrack, grind dungeons, and let the days pile up?
Is there a story or objective penalty if you backtrack, grind dungeons, and let the days pile up?
Technoweirdo
Member
I had that happen to me in Ch. 3 Alm's side, where you have to break through a tile-wide stairway and kill a bunch of archers, undead, and a summoner before an NPC gets killed. In the way was a bunch of armor knights as part of the standard encounter, then 10 additional cavaliers just to make that tile-wide stairway even more of a slog to get through.
Alm might've been taking nothing but 1's from all the enemies, but he couldn't cut them down quickly enough because not enough could even attack him. None of my own units could assist Alm either due to the 1-tile choke. Things slowed down to a crawl, but the NPC's blood loss wasn't. Needless to say, they died.
So I backed out of the fight, let the roamers come to me before engaging, then regretted it because letting them come to you means they get the first move on your low-def, low-spd cleric that you can't reposition. Needless to say, they died.
So then I fled all the way to the village, waited for the roamers to come near, then came out to attack them. Being able to keep my cleric from dying before I even get a chance to move them, I easily dispatched the roamers.--And then more roamers spawned from the same place I was trying to lure the previous roamers away from, forcing me to repeat everything all over again. Needless to say, I thought it was bullshit. >:|
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I feel Echoes works against itself at times as a game meant for the more narrative-oriented side of the fanbase. The game part can just drag.
Seconded.
This game gives you all the tools in the world to break chokepoints, for sure. Mages and archers can hit at greater ranges than normal, magic hit rates ignore avo bonuses, one spell can eliminate a dozen monsters at once, and pegasus riders can not only fly over walls, but even attack while sitting on top of them. Actual impassable walls are far less common in this game than in the average FE.
You're also given a few strong tools to build your own chokepoints and protective formations, from summoning meatshields to shield skills that can turn even a pegasus rider into an immovable object.
Gaiden's maps and encounter design get a lot of flak (and I won't try to argue it's entirely undeserved), but a lot of the criticism is based in the expectations built up by other FEs. The vast differences in mechanics at play mean that you have to relearn how to read situations, and adapt accordingly. Old formations and tactics might not apply, but new ones can be found.
Thankfully that'll be on your Switch.
Something just came across my mind: why is it that Faye got lots of shit for being disturbingly obsessed with Alm (not trying to defend her, I find her weird in this regard as well), but no one seems to complain about Leon being disturbingly gay towards Valbar?
Not that these two bother me much; I actually find them amusing at times. Still, I have to wonder why people react to Faye so negatively but at the same time Leon seems to get a pass? Either way, it's not that big a deal; it just come across my mind, that's all.
Not that these two bother me much; I actually find them amusing at times. Still, I have to wonder why people react to Faye so negatively but at the same time Leon seems to get a pass? Either way, it's not that big a deal; it just come across my mind, that's all.
Starwolf_UK
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Act 3 Celica spoiler/game logic silliness
Hey Atlas I'm going to take you to this shrine up north so you can become mercenary and have some fucking speed *en-route* "that's not the way to Grief's Fortress, bye" *Palla and Catra also leave 
*. After they were re-recruited instead Celica sailed across an ocean to a shrine that was even further away from the fortress with no protest from anyone
*. After they were re-recruited instead Celica sailed across an ocean to a shrine that was even further away from the fortress with no protest from anyoneAct 3 Celica spoiler/game logic sillinessHey Atlas I'm going to take you to this shrine up north so you can become mercenary and have some fucking speed *en-route* "that's not the way to Grief's Fortress, bye" *Palla and Catra also leave
lulz
same thing happened to me
I just want to do a thing before the other thing
I think Leon gets a pass because he's the first not totally offensive gay man that the series has had. In any case, I'm not sure if people were exaggerating or if localization fixed Faye, but she wasn't that bad?
Act 3 Celica spoiler/game logic sillinessHey Atlas I'm going to take you to this shrine up north so you can become mercenary and have some fucking speed *en-route* "that's not the way to Grief's Fortress, bye" *Palla and Catra also leave
That was so annoying because I had to backtrack and fight more skirmishes than I wanted to. I really wish extra battle were confined to the dungeons.
People react negatively towards Faye? Huh. I think she's great.
I don't think Leon is particularly comparable, anyway. He's just a dude with a serious crush, compared to Faye's constant "please let me kill in your name!" shtick.
wild wild rice
Member
If this happens, is there no one to recruit when you leave Ram for the first time? That would by amazing.
SuperCambot
Banned
No the children just sort of fall back, but they're in the cut scene that immediately follows. I'm playing Easy/Classic.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
They both creep me out IMO. Stalker vibes
She's no Camilla or Tharja, but she can still be a bit annoying. Her supports with Silque for example, all Silque wants is to be her friend and she's like NOPE, I ONLY CARE ABOUT ALM. Felt kind of sorry for Silque...
I didn't see Leon being that mean to anyone else, I mean I saw him jest to Kamui that he's no Valbar but it wasn't that bad.
Course my opinions may change, not seen a massive amount of supports as I'm only on Act 3.
Leon is in love with him, but he totally respect Valbar's boundaries. In fact he doesn't come of as creepy at all. (I do find him kinda boring, but I'm giving it a pass because FE doesn't have super-deep writing anyway)
No idea what you are trying to say, I haven't seen many people complain about Faye too? People generally seem to like her if anything.
mickagau33
Member
Characters who are not automaticaly recruited or do not have to be recruited have no dialogue at all during story bits. That's a bit weird. I just realised that because Genny was nowhere to be seen during story sequences ans it reminded me it was the same for Alm optional childhood friends.
DecoReturns
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So Sacred Stones also got some music from Gaiden? I could've sworn I heard the Arena Theme.
Edit: I'm stealing so much stuff. Food and wine everywhere
Edit: I'm stealing so much stuff. Food and wine everywhere
I couldn't tell you, but it wouldn't surprise me. Sacred Stones is Gaiden 2.0 in a ton of ways.
the arena theme from FE8 is indeed the regular battle theme from Gaiden/this remake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr3zK7FOE3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZJMLa49F9s
The Binding Blade has some FE2 remixes as well (so does Radiant Dawn, though that song is unused...)
Yeah I've noticed that. Kind of sad really when you consider there's no real reason to not recruit some of them - I don't think they needed to be optional, I'd rather have them just been mandatory so we got dialogue from them. Genny is a good example of that really, like why wouldn't you recruit her, and it's not like she's a challenge to get or anything.
DecoReturns
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Knew it. Use to always spend hours in the Arena in Chapter 5 of Sacred Stones. Yeah, Sacred Stones did take some ideas from Gaiden. Pretty cool looking back
I heard about the Radiant Dawn one, think it was Alm's battle theme that was unused.
Honestly, yeah a bit disappointing, but at least we get some optional conversations that are a bit in-line with whats happening in the story. I'll take that
When I replay this game, Think I'm gonna avoid recruiting optional people. Should be the game fun or frustrating.
Yep. Understandable but sad. Though the amount of dialogues is already huge even without them. Also, at least these optional characters still have base (or Mila's shrines) conversations/monologues.
Linkstrikesback
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Worse still, there is a solid chance this is the last FE game where we even have a second screen.
I can live with it, but I'm not looking forward to that step backwards for FE or Pokemon.
DecoReturns
Member
Mycen looks like a Jim Gordon
Also I love this dudes voice.
Also I love this dudes voice.
Freaking Limit
Member
Man, I just did Act 1 today. Ended up getting a few good levels on Faye as a villager, then I promoted her to Mage. She ended up getting a bunch more speed, attack and defense, so I gave her the Leather shield and suddenly she was tanking the world and doubling everything. She was rocking 15 attack, 11 speed and 9 defense +3 on the shield. Plus, I ended up giving her +3 hp from a fountain (didn't know how they worked, and Figured mages would want some more hp). I feel like tank mages break this game too hard unless higher res enemies show up.
Also, Lightning Sword is a nice early game bonus for keeping damage up.
Also, Lightning Sword is a nice early game bonus for keeping damage up.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Of all the things I will miss with the series transitioning from 3DS to the NSW is the second screen to reduce the clutter of the first screen.
It will be hard to go back to walls of text on the main screen.
I've had it a couple of times, but definitely not the norm lol
Skyball Paint
Member
"Damn him and his blood! They may sing of him as hero, but no one knows what wench he sprang from!"
Ha ha wow this localization is great.
Ha ha wow this localization is great.
Disturbingly gay is a running theme, and I like it. Forsythe does it towards Alm and Lukas.