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First DMC4 review

xaosslug said:
DMC is THE action series as far as the genre goes, so I think everyone looks to it for 'the next step' in action games, so whatever tweaks and upgrades are made to the series go overlooked on account it won't do much for the genre as a whole.

Which is the problem. The innovation in DMC4 seems to be enough for the DMC series. Yet everyone expects it to 're-establish' the fuckin genre like DMC1 did, or improve it vastly with gameplay additions (instant weapon swap, style/stance system) like DMC3 did.

But still, I promise you the "instant grapple/arm mechanic" of dmc4 is going to show up in future action games. I can already see Kratos' blades of chaos in God of War 3 being used in a similar fashion as Nero's Devil Bringer arm is used.
 
test_account said:
How much do those cost? I dont think they are too expencive. But anyway, at newegg.com you get 120GB 2.5" HDD for under $75. If space is lacking and its important, $75 shouldnt set anyone that much back. I guess you can get like $25 for the PS3 HDD as well if you sell it. But if they own a PS3 in the first place i guess they can afford $75 for a HDD with more space. Its an easy solution :)
now you're determining if $75 is an easy solution for everyone or not, when an easier solution is simply "Would you like to install files to decrease loading time in this game? ( Yes / No )"
 
Allllriiiight, 500+ responses and only about 4 of them have been about the review.

Close, lock, banish, eliminate?

*there are going to be plenty of review threads from more mainstream websites like ign, gamespot, and 1up* that we can all bitch 360 ver. ps3 differences about. Fear not.
 
C- Warrior said:
Allllriiiight, 500+ responses and only about 4 of them have been about the review.

Close, lock, banish, eliminate?

*there are going to be plenty of review threads from more mainstream websites like ign, gamespot, and 1up* that we can all bitch about. Fear not.
most people disregard the review, the reviewer sounds like the average button masher who doesn't understand the intricacies that devil may cry offers over a friendlier game.
 

besada

Banned
Y2Kev said:
How in the world do you get better textures and AA?

It's almost like no one read the OP, which had a review where the reviewer said more aliasing and flickering shadows on the PS3 version.

Dunno where the texture stuff came from, but the other stuff is in the review.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
The Faceless Master said:
now you're determining if $75 is an easy solution for everyone or not, when an easier solution is simply "Would you like to install files to decrease loading time in this game? ( Yes / No )"

True that, but i mean if lack of space is that big of an issue for people, the solution to the problem is only $75 away. I'm looking for the solutions, not the problems ;)
 

Mrbob

Member
All this whining about the install, geez.

All I know is this game will play infinitely better with the sixaxis (or DS3) than it will with the X360 pad. Perhaps we should add a PS2 controller adapter onto the cost of the 360 version since this is what you'll really need to play the game respectfully. The X360 pad is great for a lot of things. DMC games it is not. The face buttons are too hard. The bumpers are too hard for constant pressing.


C- Warrior said:
I love my HDD the way it is, empty and un-used because no dev. wants to take advantage of it. Damn Capcom for wanting to take advantage of it to help make the PS3 version unique and end the days of homogenuos ports and eliminate load times.

Fuckin-a.

You got a PS3? Send me your tag! ;)
 
test_account said:
True that, but i mean if lack of space is that big of an issue for people, the solution to the problem is only $75 away. I'm looking for the solutions, not the problems ;)
oh, i get it.

we should never complain, and instead just spend money to solve all our problems.

good plan!

text too small?

buy a HDTV!

game needs an intstall?

buy a HDD!
 

McLovin

Member
So... I hear this game is fun. It is a fun game right?
edit- you guys know the game is like finished right? Bitching about it isn't going to fix anything. They aren't going to patch the game because most people don't care.
 

Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
The Faceless Master said:
most people disregard the review, the reviewer sounds like the average button masher who doesn't understand the intricacies that devil may cry offers over a friendlier game.

I'll also offer a guess that the majority of gamers who buy DMC are the same way. =P
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
besada said:
It's almost like no one read the OP, which had a review where the reviewer said more aliasing and flickering shadows on the PS3 version.

Dunno where the texture stuff came from, but the other stuff is in the review.

Interesting! I only read reviews in Esperanto though.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
The Faceless Master said:
oh, i get it.

we should never complain, and instead just spend money to solve all our problems.

good plan!

Of course you can complain, its a good thing to show both good feeling and bad feelings about something (atleast if its valid points, which i feel it is in this case (well.. to certain point atleast, its not that big of a deal in my opinion, but it can be an issue)). But now the situation is the way it is so you can either find a solution the problem or you can complain. Sure, people can state their opinion even if its positive or negative, no problem at all, but what do you do after you stated your opinion? You can either complain some more (which would hardly change anything) or you can see if there is a solution to the problem.

I also thinks having a mandatory install isnt the best solution, but i do see the solution to it. All PS3 do have enough space to install it. If you dont want to delete current stuff on your PS3 HDD, then a solution is to buy a bigger drive. If you dont want to delete any stuff nor buy a new disc you basicly have 2 choices left: 1) Do not buy the game 2) Complain some more. What people do is totally up to themself of course, but i would have either deleted some old stuff or gotten a bigger drive if i needed more space :)
 

McLovin

Member
test_account said:
Who said you shouldnt complain? That is totally up to yourself if you want to do that or not. Now the situation is the way it is so you can either find a solution the problem or you can complain. Sure, people can state their opinion and all that, no problem at all, but what do you do after you stated your opinion? You can either complain some more (which would hardly change anything) or you can see if there is a solution to the problem.

I also thinks having a mandatory install isnt the best solution, but i do see the solution to it. All PS3 do have enough space to install it. If you dont want to delete current stuff on your PS3 HDD, then a solution is to buy a bigger drive. If you dont want to delete any stuff nor buy a new disc you basicly have 2 choices left: 1) Do not buy the game 2) Complain some more. What people do is totally up to themself of course, but i would have either deleted some old stuff or gotten a bigger drive if i needed more space :)
or 3) they can also buy it for the 360 :/
 

Kittonwy

Banned
Good stuff, I will get the PS3 version, since I have the Dual Shock 3 now. Rawr.
Indifferent2.gif
 

Dave1988

Member
The Faceless Master said:
oh, i get it.

we should never complain, and instead just spend money to solve all our problems.

good plan!

text too small?

buy a HDTV!

game needs an intstall?

buy a HDD!


...or you could delete some useless shit form the HDD? Yes, I know. Crazy.
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
andrewfee said:
I doubt people buying a 20gb machine were expecting 5GB mandatory installs.



So, GAF, which version do I get?

360:
Rumble
Achievements
Cross-game messaging / invites.
Better textures. (only minor from the comparisons I've seen, but a difference nonetheless)
More anti-aliasing.
3rd game on this engine on the 360 so it's bound to run well.

PS3:
No load times. (~5 seconds on 360 so no big deal)
Uncompressed audio. (big plus in my opinion)
Better video output. (most people won't care, I do)
PS3 buttons/layout better suited for it.
5GB required install though.
Costs £10 more. (£12 for the LE)
Need to buy a Dual Shock 3, adding £40 (DS3 supposedly doesn't cut out like sixaxis does, has rumble)
...It's kind-of why I bought my PS3 :(


How do I install Resistance to get rid of the loading?

Wow there isn't enough faceplam gifs and rolls eyes gifs for this post. really. And isnt DMC4 on a new engine?
 

yurinka

Member
I don't understand this trolling about the install. Why don't delete some downloaded things? You can also re-download them later. Or also can delete an old installation of a game you aren't playing, you won't loose your game stats and savefiles.

And I doubt you'll see all your dozen of porn movies stored in the HD every day. :lol

I think it's just an excuse to troll the PS3 version. If you want to troll it, talk about the flickering of shadow and edges and less aliasing.

But this graphical issues of the PS3 version wasn't mentioned in previous comparations. They only happens on the PS3 version?
 
The Faceless Master said:
oh, i get it.

we should never complain, and instead just spend money to solve all our problems.

good plan!

text too small?

buy a HDTV!

game needs an intstall?

buy a HDD!


has worked since the beginning of time so i don't see why not :lol :lol :lol
 
yurinka said:
I don't understand this trolling about the install. Why don't delete some downloaded things? You can also re-download them later. Or also can delete an old installation of a game you aren't playing, you won't loose your game stats and savefiles.

And I doubt you'll see all your dozen of porn movies stored in the HD every day. :lol

I think it's just an excuse to troll the PS3 version. If you want to troll it, talk about the flickering of shadow and edges and less aliasing.

But this graphical issues of the PS3 version wasn't mentioned in previous comparations. They only happens on the PS3 version?
Now that the news it out that the PS3 version does in fact have achievements of a sort, people have to bitch about not having a gamerscore to add those to, or about the only report anywhere that has said the 360 version looks better, or about lower load times.
 

Steroyd

Member
My Arms Your Hearse said:
So we're almost to 500 posts and people are STILL BITCHING about the install requirement for PS3.

GAF KILL YOURSELVES. YOU'RE NOT WORTHY.

I am absolutely amazed that this "issue" has got such legs. :/

I almost miss the typical review memes.
 

AKingNamedPaul

I am Homie
C- Warrior said:
Which is the problem. The innovation in DMC4 seems to be enough for the DMC series. Yet everyone expects it to 're-establish' the fuckin genre like DMC1 did, or improve it vastly with gameplay additions (instant weapon swap, style/stance system) like DMC3 did.

But still, I promise you the "instant grapple/arm mechanic" of dmc4 is going to show up in future action games. I can already see Kratos' blades of chaos in God of War 3 being used in a similar fashion as Nero's Devil Bringer arm is used.
Are you talking about the way nero pulls himself to set areas with the devil bringer? or the combat itself?

Because god of war 2 already had platforming part.
 

65536

Banned
Killthee said:
It's a mandatory cache that gets installed the first time you run the game.
Oh, thanks, I guess I have that then. I've still got 30-60 second load screens in it.

Mrbob said:
All I know is this game will play infinitely better with the sixaxis (or DS3) than it will with the X360 pad. Perhaps we should add a PS2 controller adapter onto the cost of the 360 version since this is what you'll really need to play the game respectfully. The X360 pad is great for a lot of things. DMC games it is not. The face buttons are too hard. The bumpers are too hard for constant pressing.
Don't all Sixaxis pads cut out intermittently though? I've disabled all wireless devices in the house, and even then mine still does it, which pretty much does make a Dual Shock 3 a requirement for a game like this (seeing as it's supposed to fix that problem) assuming they haven't made it any easier.

I'll wait and see for the 360 demo before passing judgement on how it plays on that pad but I do think it'll be better on a DS3.

Mrbob said:
Both are 60fps.
CoD4 is 60fps too, but it runs better on 360. Do we know which DMC4 runs better yet?

I remember there was some tearing pre-release on the 360 version, has it been fixed? Does the PS3 version tear too?

As the game was originally being created for the PS3, does it run better? Will it run better on 360 because they've done two games on that engine before?
 

Teknoman

Member
andrewfee said:
Don't all Sixaxis pads cut out intermittently though? I've disabled all wireless devices in the house, and even then mine still does it, which pretty much does make a Dual Shock 3 a requirement for a game like this (seeing as it's supposed to fix that problem) assuming they haven't made it any easier.

CoD4 is 60fps too, but it runs better on 360. Do we know which DMC4 runs better yet?

I remember there was some tearing pre-release on the 360 version, has it been fixed? Does the PS3 version tear too?

As the game was originally being created for the PS3, does it run better? Will it run better on 360 because they've done two games on that engine before?

Yeah my Sixaxis does the same thing as well...and it would definatly suck to get a boss down to low health and then the controller just cuts out on you, or even worse forces you to stop completely to get the USB cable, plug it in, reset the controller, then start playing again.

Also I thought the PS3 version WAS supposed to perform and look a little better than the 360 version? Didnt the guys at 1up go on about that in the show that featured DMC 4 with that plant boss lady?
 
Hmm, I don't really know what version to buy either. I was planning on getting the PS3 one (because I'm planning on buying single player multiconsole games for PS3), but achievements and rumble are luring me over to the 360 version.

I don't know why achievements affect me so much...
 
1. People, learn how to delete shit. The space is there. What do you have that's so important on your PS3 that you can't have on your computer or re-download later?

2. For those wondering the difference between PS3 vs. 360 versions, here.
 

Kittonwy

Banned
Teknoman said:
Seriously. Wasnt it supposed to be early Spring 08?

If you live in Tortondo you can already pick one up (or any chinatown in a major metropolitan city with a large chinese population).
 

Dave1988

Member
UncleGuito said:
Hmm, I don't really know what version to buy either. I was planning on getting the PS3 one (because I'm planning on buying single player multiconsole games for PS3), but achievements and rumble are luring me over to the 360 version.

I don't know why achievements affect me so much...

Accomplishments and an online ranking is also available in the PS3 ver so you should be fine.
 

Teknoman

Member
Kittonwy said:
If you live in Tortondo you can already pick one up (or any chinatown in a major metropolitan city with a large chinese population).

Hmm well i'm in Houston..we've got a fairly large chinese population, but the only thing I can find in most of the chinatown section is travel agencies, food, and maybe the odd clothing store here and there. Was a store that carried super famicom games...but they closed down.

Oh and on the subject of accomplishments (not just in DMC4 but in Ratchet, Resistance, and Uncharted as well), it would be nice if they took the data from those, and converted them into trophies when HOME releases. Actually I like the ideal of 3d trophies being displayed for friends more than just achievements.
 

Teknoman

Member
Himuro said:
I know of a few stores here in Houston that sell import games, mod systems, stuff like that but I'm not sure if they still exist. I'll look into it.

Thanks. I remember a place called Microplay used to, but i'm not sure if it's still open.
 

JudgeN

Member
hmm after that comparsion video that was posted, what the hell were they talking about no AA on the PS3 version. They looked identical unless it got worse when it went gold, can that even happen?
 

h3ro

Member
JudgeN said:
hmm after that comparsion video that was posted, what the hell were they talking about no AA on the PS3 version. They looked identical unless it got worse when it went gold, can that even happen?

Seriously, I love how we've taken GERMAN gamepro as gospel... come on GAF, its not even regular shitty gamepro, its gamepro with wienershnitzel!

Has this HD install been confirmed as being compulsory and not an option?
 

65536

Banned
tanod said:
Wow! The core and arcade not having a hard drive is a gaping wound. This thread is proof.
Doesn't it prove that the opposite is true? I'm not required to use 5GB to play the game on 360. (though it would be nice to have the option to do so if I wanted to)
 

h3ro

Member
andrewfee said:
Doesn't it prove that the opposite is true? I'm not required to use 5GB to play the game on 360. (though it would be nice to have the option to do so if I wanted to)

Has it been confirmed by Capcom or a credible media source that its not just an option on the PS3 version as well? If it turns out to be an option, then your whole argument goes out the window...

Either way, I'm getting the PS3 version d/t the controller, I have plenty of space on my 60GB triple, so no load times is a bonus as well... (I have an Elite, if that means anything in a counter argument about the space available on the 360)
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
There is one thing nagging on my mind, since this is capcom's first PS3 game will the manuals be in black and white like the PS2 capcom games or in color like in lost planet for the 360.
 

East Lake

Member
JudgeN said:
hmm after that comparsion video that was posted, what the hell were they talking about no AA on the PS3 version. They looked identical unless it got worse when it went gold, can that even happen?
From the screenshots they showed there was some apparent aliasing, however there weren't any 360 shots there to compare those to. The gametrailers videos showed a bit less aliasing but the quality of their HD vids are terrible. Another case of waiting for the demos to judge.
 
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