IncandescentPrecept
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Pathetic list.
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Gamasutra: The Top 30 Developers of All Time
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w1gglyjones
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Vanquish? Bayonetta? Batman Arkham games? Gears of War? Sorry, you're wrong.
You started off strong, then something happened.
Don'tBeWeird
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He's not wrong.
AppleSmack
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Those games are uncomparable to Naughty Dog's and it's far from a stretch to say that the Uncharted games are much better than all of those. We don't even need to mention the Last of Us.
I can't believe people are complaining about MAME being on this list. lmao
I'd say ND's games are better than the Arkham ones but Bayonetta and Vanquish are games with way better mechanics that focus on intricate gameplay instead of aping Hollywood-esque narrative.
I'd say ND's games are better than the Arkham ones but Bayonetta and Vanquish are games with way better mechanics that focus on intricate gameplay instead of aping Hollywood-esque narrative.
It is. Before Naughty Dog tried their hand at it, the best cinematic game we had was Metal Gear Solid. There's a lot of room for improvement, but narrative and storytelling absolutely have their places in video games. And any developer that pushes those areas and excels, and inspires others to, deserves commendation.
Riot and Mojang are probably the most egregious inclusions. Personally, I don't give two fucks about GameFreak either.
Oh and Double Fine absolutely does not deserve an honorable mention, as much as I like Tim Schafer's Lucasarts games.
w1gglyjones
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Batman games are certainly better than the Uncharted games.
KillerTravis
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Naughty Dog fans ladies and gentlemen.
littlebirdtoldme
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i hate when they make lists and divide it on 50 different pages.
Kenshin001
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I haven't played one. Are the developers on that list? Perhaps you could suggest which game I should try.
That's like your opinion man. Imo they didn't outclass much just going by gameplay.
w1gglyjones
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So you say that ND outclassed all action games this gen, but ignore Bayonetta and Vanquish just to pick on Batman?
Uncharted better than Vanquish on what? Certainly you're not suggesting action game terms? If so:
RumblingRosco
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Very happy to see Microprose on there.
Naughty Dogs can do no wrong, just like Apple
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IncandescentPrecept
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Put all those studios together and they still haven't achieved half of what Naughty Dog has achieved.
RamzaIsCool
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Dude wtf... why can't people complain it didn't make the list? There are compeling arguments to be made that it should have been there! This whole "Naughty Dog defense force" thing that people are spewing around also pisses me off. You know there is a reason why terms as Xbot, Sony ponies or whatever they call Nintendo fans are bannable here! Try harder...
No, I just mocked your Batman selection, I think TLoU is better than Bayonetta and Vanquish too, I just don't think they're laughable selections as I do with Batman.
Canis lupus
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Naughty Dog needs to be in the Top 3, an honorable mention just after releasing what is one of the best games of this gen nags me.
They do it for the clicks. and it seems to be working (when hasn't it?)
w1gglyjones
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What have the achieved? Spending lots of money to refine and polish ideas already used in countless other games before them?
DeaconKnowledge
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I was 14 once too.
You can start from System Shocks. A more personal suggestion is Journey. It had great narration through gameplay although the plot itself is barebones.
*high five*
Wait, you're saying Batman has better gameplay than TLOU? No sir. Not one bit.
WolfForager
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Yes and in the process make some of the greatest games of this generation. What's your point?
have you only played games made by Naughty Dog
The ND shit is already rolling downhill for a third thread. Sometimes it's best to just get out of the way.
w1gglyjones
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You went from saying that ND output outclasses all other action games this gen to.. TLoU is better than Bayonetta and Vanquish.
And in truth, Batman is a better action game than any Uncharted. Take away the story and production values and it's easy to see.
KillerTravis
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I would probably be happier if Naughty Dog kept making games like Crash and Jak instead of pushing all the cinematic crap in recent years.
They redefined action set pieces for better or for worse. So many games after UC2 were a clone of it's interactive cut scene set piece dynamic. They also propelled VA and character emphasis with more refinement and believability than most games ever. A great dev isn't necessarily one that innovates, but one that makes genre defining games, which is exactly what ND has done. With action adventure, third person shooter and survival horror. I'd also argue that Crash and Jak and Daxter were brilliant efforts too.
DaSorcerer7
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Pretty solid list
Please....Naughty Dog is relatively new compared to others in the list....Top 3 .....jesus...
In what way are two high speed action games, one with the complexity of a fighting game and the other a literally high-octane shooter, comparable to the slow burn adventure narrative with shooting game?
After recently finishing Vanquish before I played TLOU - I really have a lot trouble saying that it is a better action game than The Last Of Us. Same thing with the Batman Arkham games.
No, I didn't. I said TLoU did, and I certainly believe it does.
Vanquish is a better dedicated shooter, but it's not close to being as good of a game to me. And I think Vanquish is already better than Bayonetta.
w1gglyjones
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Many games have tried to do this before. You're not making a compelling case beyond saying that they were the first ones to spend money and really focus on something that has arguable value to gamers and the industry in general.
Uno Venova
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Yeah I have no problem saying TLOU is a better action game than those, which I also love especially Vanquish.
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