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[Metalmurphy]

Anyone taking a GamesRadar review seriously needs to check their brain...

That's the website that did a couple of GT5 anti-hype articles.

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-.../a-2010082610354612024/g-20070711154452396099
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-...100728114643309041/g-20070711154452396099/p-2
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/f/gra...a-20100322105224554072/g-20070711154452396099
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-...a-20100618141029519084/g-20070711154452396099

Hey look, and they're all by the guy that actually reviewed the game...


I'm sure I'm missing a few others as well.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Trust no one. :lol

Actually, you're 100% right. Before GT5 my favorite game of this gen was Mirror's Edge. It's a game that was spit on by reviewers and is most likely going to receive a heavily watered down sequel as a result of those reviews and the sales that followed. Thankfully GT is a big enough series that reviews won't impact it in the same way that they did with ME.

 

[mik]

do we have a list of trusted sources?

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Those who echo my opinion

NON-TRUSTED:*
Those who offer a contradictory opinion





* subject to change by the management without prior notice

 

[1-D_FTW]

Actually, you're 100% right. Before GT5 my favorite game of this gen was Mirror's Edge. It's a game that was spit on by reviewers and is most likely going to receive a heavily watered down sequel as a result of those reviews and the sales that followed. Thankfully GT is a big enough series that reviews won't impact it in the same way that they did with ME.

Please. Most people don't even read reviews anymore. Demos play ten times the role of professional reviews and the demo was damn good. That is not why the game performed the way it did.

 

[DCharlie]

Thankfully GT is a big enough series that reviews won't impact it in the same way that they did with ME.

Well, they already HAVE impacted the game and for the good (re: Kaz vowing to fix issues ASAP), so i'm not sure i fully agree with that part.

I really REALLY hope that the comments are taken on board for the next GT.

 

[Ashes]

Well, they already HAVE impacted the game and for the good (re: Kaz vowing to fix issues ASAP), so i'm not sure i fully agree with that part.

I really REALLY hope that the comments are taken on board for the next GT.

Kaz fixed issues asap, cause of reviews? how do you know this definitively?

 

[Loudninja]

Gran Turismo 5 MTV review

The Verdict

"Gran Turismo 5" is not for everybody. Despite the flashiness of this iteration, it's still a driving sim at heart, with all the requisite hang-ups that come along with the genre (anybody raised on arcade racers like the "Burnout" series or the re-jiggered "Need For Speed" line will likely be confused and frustrated by the painfully realistic physics). But if you're a veteran of the genre or have the patience to dive deep into virtual driving, then "Gran Turismo 5" is your "Citizen Kane." It's the racing sim by which all other racing sims will be judged, and they will perpetually pale in comparison. Almost overwhelming in its depth, "Gran Turismo 5" should keep players experimenting, building, challenging and reinventing their experience until we finally get those flying cars promised to us in "Back to the Future Part 2."

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2010/11/29/gran-turismo-5-review-reinventing-the-wheels/

Game Revolution GT5 review A-

+ Incredible attention to detail
+ Bottomless content
+ Sets new bar for cockpit view
+ Late-game surprises
+/- Online mode under construction
- Beginning to show its age

http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/ps3/gran-turismo-5

Gran Turismo 5 Loot Ninja review 5/5

The menu quirks are small and certainly don’t change the fact that Gran Turismo 5 is the best racing game you’ll lay your hands upon. Whether you’re using the DualShock 3 controller or a racing wheel, GT5 is a must purchase for all PS3 owners. The game is just that damn good. And with so many cars and tracks available, the value for your dollar is tremendous. Get out to your local game retailer and pick up a copy of Gran Turismo 5 right away.

http://loot-ninja.com/2010/11/29/review-gran-turismo-5/

Guardian: Gran Turismo 5 Review #2

Yamauchi-san has indeed created an artifice of marvel and wonder. But it seems his quest for perfection must continue – one doubts he would have it any other way. And in the meantime Gran Turismo 5 is one hell of a ride.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/nov/28/gran-turismo-5-review

Meristation | Gran Turismo 5 Review 9.5
http://www.meristation.com/v3/des_analisis.php?pic=GEN&id=cw4cf158819b41f&idj=cw42893da71ff42


PSXExtreme: Gran Turismo 5 Review 9.9

So was Gran Turismo 5 worth the wait? Absolutely! Sure there's a few drawbacks, but when looking at the big picture, they hardly seem to matter. The game will be kept alive with continuous downloadable updates, and that's already well under way. So with that said, is it possible that after numerous updates we may actually revisit this score and bump it up to a possible 10? Yes. But let me make something clear, a 10 doesn't quite mean perfection. Having said that, I'll allow Ben to wrap up with a few words he asked me to share at the very end:

"Without making any comment on the game itself, I'd like to remind everyone of something- we can't issue review scores based on expectations alone. For the most part, an overall score takes the competition into account; i.e., the current games on store shelves. Whether or not GT5 measures up to our super lofty expectations does matter, but let's not forget that at the end of the day, we have to ask ourselves, "how does this stack up against the best of the best of the generation?"

It's not necessarily about comparing it to some picture of perfection in our minds; it's about saying to the consumer, "you should buy this because it's superior to most other products" or, as the case may be, "you shouldn't buy this because it pales in comparison to other options." We hope you understand." - Ben D.

To put it blunt: there is no equal.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-reviews/436.html

 

[Loudninja]

Gran Turismo 5 Gamespot review 8.0

Regardless, if you've ever fantasized about a Ferrari or dreamed of driving at Daytona, Gran Turismo 5 is a game that you're sure to get a lot out of. This is simultaneously the most accessible GT game yet and the most uncompromisingly realistic driving game on a console to date. It's unfortunate that much of what makes Gran Turismo 5 so great is under the hood rather than on display for everyone to see, but a powerful engine trumps a perfect paintjob every time.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/driving/granturismo52/review.html

G4 review 4/5

So now, the biggest question: was Gran Turismo 5 worth the wait? That’s difficult to answer. For those who played GT4 obsessively and have always just wanted more of the same on an HD console, then this is the amazing update they’ve been waiting for and things look and feel better than ever. But, someone who was hoping for a total reinvention of the franchise will be disappointed. This is very much a straight sequel to GT4 with more cars and better graphics and, if you’ve become accustomed to Forza’s class-based racing that ensures you always have good competition online or off, you’ll likely find yourself a little bored before long.

http://g4tv.com/games/ps3/42533/Gran-Turismo-5/review/
I am not sure why anyone would hoped that.

 

[watership]

Gran Turismo 5 Gamespot review 8.0

JC's video review seemed more positive than that score.

 

[UFRA]

Wow, 8.0 huh GameSpot?

The forums over there are just pouring with fanboy laughter right now...it's horrible.

 

[CaseyTappy]

Gamespot forums are always pouring with fanboy laughter so nothing new there !

 

[nib95]

Anyone taking a GamesRadar review seriously needs to check their brain...

That's the website that did a couple of GT5 anti-hype articles.

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-.../a-2010082610354612024/g-20070711154452396099
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-...100728114643309041/g-20070711154452396099/p-2
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/f/gra...a-20100322105224554072/g-20070711154452396099
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-...a-20100618141029519084/g-20070711154452396099

Hey look, and they're all by the guy that actually reviewed the game...


I'm sure I'm missing a few others as well.

Lol what a joke site.

 

[CozMick]

The Gadget Show

"5 years and $60 million later, yes folks, it was worth the wait!" :lol

 

[Unknown One]

Lot of these reviews hardly even played the game. It's pretty pathetic really.

 

[Sorc3r3r]

Lot of these reviews hardly even played the game. It's pretty pathetic really.

.

Gaming journalism at its finest.
But to be honest i cant blame them with a gargantuan game like GT.

I blame them on Castlevania, on Resistance...but i'm off topic.

 

[Yoshi]

Do you own the game?

I don't see where a "hardcore" mode would fit in?

You can jump into arcade straight away with varying difficulties or you can complete licences and progress. If you were able to destroy you car on the first corner the costs would basically stop your progression?

I wouldn't put your hopes up for any sort of patch, anyway if you own the game you'll have full AI and damage before any patch would be released!

You could still start this game as a millionaire per default, so that crashing your car right away doesn't hinder you from playing further, couldn't you?

 

[travisbickle]

You could still start this game as a millionaire per default, so that crashing your car right away doesn't hinder you from playing further, couldn't you?

And you could start any game on the last level with all weapons and invincibility fighting the final boss!

There's a well stood theory in games development called progression, its the reason games reviewers bitched about GnG and its a very good design decision by PD for GT5.

 

[sajj316]

Anyone taking a GamesRadar review seriously needs to check their brain...

That's the website that did a couple of GT5 anti-hype articles.

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-.../a-2010082610354612024/g-20070711154452396099
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-...100728114643309041/g-20070711154452396099/p-2
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/f/gra...a-20100322105224554072/g-20070711154452396099
http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/gran-...a-20100618141029519084/g-20070711154452396099

Hey look, and they're all by the guy that actually reviewed the game...


I'm sure I'm missing a few others as well.

These guys did the same with other games. It's ridiculous. I think it might have been Killzone 2.

 

[Crazypanda_85]

All I can do is :lol at most of these reviews. I personally love GT5 and I'm not that great at realistic racers. GT is a brand, like all games should be, about gameplay first and almost every review I read speaks on how GT excels in this part. Most reviewers crack on it's interface (which I like) and some of it's graphical hiccups but look at all these racers they compare it to and if you honestly compare all their features and what they present, then you couldn't give GT the shorter end of the stick.

 

[SmokyDave]

Blimey, first time I've looked through all the reviews and they're fairly underwhelming. I'm glad I don't read reviews to make purchasing decisions or I might have skipped over GT5.

I'd be interested to know how many of the (more negative) reviewers left 'skid recovery force' & the rest turned on for their entire review. There don't seem to be many enthusiasts of the genre doing reviews. Have any of the sim sites posted reviews yet?

I used the word 'review' 6 times then. I feel dirty.

 

[Yoshi]

And you could start any game on the last level with all weapons and invincibility fighting the final boss!

There's a well stood theory in games development called progression, its the reason games reviewers bitched about GnG and its a very good design decision by PD for GT5.

Being a millionaire would solve the aforementioned problem, you could still lock most cars / tracks away at the beginning an unlock them when you progress in the game. And still, a millionaire is not quite Bill Gates yet.

 

[iam220]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/30/gran-turismo-5-review/

Not sure if already posted, but that's a pretty good review from someone whom actually plays racing sims regularly.

 

[Dynamic3]

From what I understand, the Autoblog review is both accurate and objective. The (lack of) tuning options is truly disappointing. I'll love it anyways though.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/30/gran-turismo-5-review/

Not sure if already posted, but that's a pretty good review from someone whom actually plays racing sims regularly.

yea, it is what it is at this point. respect it for what it is and what it is not.

entertaining to see the same defense squad faces engage all manner of ad-hominem fallacy, spin and defensive manuvering to sap every last bit of rosey positivity out of these reviews and generally objective and honest critiques. no evaluation is going to be perfect...and no game is going to be perfect. GT has failed to meet the hype afforded it, but it's still a beautiful experience for those who can look past is faults.

It's apparently not the best racing game this generation as we had anticipated, but it's a master work in its own right. If that's not good enough, then so be it.

 

[kitch9]

Did Gamespot have the twat who drives his racing games in the chase cam review the game?

I'll fucking facepalm if so.....

 

[MrPink93485]

Did Gamespot have the twat who drives his racing games in the chase cam review the game?

I'll fucking facepalm if so.....

I think so, but from what I skimmed, the review seemed fair.

For the most part, I can understand the 8's and 9's, but scratch my head at the 10's and 7's. But I suppose it all works out in the end.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

From what I understand, the Autoblog review is both accurate and objective. The (lack of) tuning options is truly disappointing. I'll love it anyways though.

Yes, I was deeply disappointed with the transmission customisation. All you can do now is specify what top speed you want and roll with it - you can no longer specify individual gear ratios like you could in earlier GT games, which fucks up my whole "tight gear ratios for good acceleration, graduating into a long 6th gear for good top speed" tactic. I guess PD tried to balance the game a bit more by eliminating this exploit (can you even call it that?), but it still sucks.

I also would have loved some sort of auto-tune option.

 

[LCfiner]

Yes, I was deeply disappointed with the transmission customisation. All you can do now is specify what top speed you want and roll with it - you can no longer specify individual gear ratios like you could in earlier GT games, which fucks up my whole "tight gear ratios for good acceleration, graduating into a long 6th gear for good top speed" tactic. I guess PD tried to balance the game a bit more by eliminating this exploit (can you even call it that?), but it still sucks.

I also would have loved some sort of auto-tune option.

I bet it unlocks at a higher level. like if you spend 50 fucking hours with the game, you can adjust gear ratios.

you know, to ease people in...

 

[beast786]

Did Gamespot have the twat who drives his racing games in the chase cam review the game?

I'll fucking facepalm if so.....

This is simultaneously the most accessible GT game yet and the most uncompromisingly realistic driving game on a console to date..

apparently its the best realistic racing game this generation

 

[LifEndz]

Wow, 8.0 huh GameSpot?

The forums over there are just pouring with fanboy laughter right now...it's horrible.

Those are among the worse forums on the net. The whole "teh hypz was AAA and it's only teh A" is what dominates the conversation over there.

Surprised the GS review wasn't a 9 or higher. Guy sounded really high on the game. Oh well.

 

[DuckRacer]

Yes, I was deeply disappointed with the transmission customisation. All you can do now is specify what top speed you want and roll with it - you can no longer specify individual gear ratios like you could in earlier GT games, which fucks up my whole "tight gear ratios for good acceleration, graduating into a long 6th gear for good top speed" tactic. I guess PD tried to balance the game a bit more by eliminating this exploit (can you even call it that?), but it still sucks.

I also would have loved some sort of auto-tune option.

Someone on SA said he was able to individually tune gear ratios (from the start, iirc, but he could've been confused). Then again, the description tells people to change the top speed before diving into gear ratios so maybe it's indeed unlockable.

 

[dankir]

Autoblog did a really good and pretty thorough review of GT5.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/11/30/gran-turismo-5-review/

They said it's good but not a must buy.

 

[marc^o^]

Gaming-age: A-
http://www.gaming-age.com/review/ps3/gt5

 

[Orlics]

Serious question: is this your first GT or are you more of a MW2 inclined gamer?

How should that matter at all to his enjoyment of the game?

 

[LiK]

Wow, 8.0 huh GameSpot?

The forums over there are just pouring with fanboy laughter right now...it's horrible.

Gamespot and GameFAQs forums actually merged after they bought GameFAQs so yea...

The grade didn't surprise me in comparison to their other reviews this year.

 

[zoukka]

How should that matter at all to his enjoyment of the game?

He might not be worthy to experience Kazunori's vision

 

[NHale]

edit: wrong thread

 

[sadaiyappan]

Where is the game trailers review?

 

[Jimrpg]

GT5 reviews just goes to show what a bunch of smarmy self important people these reviewers really are. Of course they'll come back and say this was my honest opinion etc etc.

But lets be real - the game had a development cycle of about 6 years... content was locked away along time ago, engine was locked away a long time ago.... i would imagine most of the last year or so they would have been working away at perfecting alot of things and getting the game to play well. This is basically a 2008 game released in 2010 and it hurt it somewhat but that doesn't mean its not fun to play.

It irks me that the reviewers complain about so much stuff when they have already been given so much already... its like a spoilt brat at christmas. Look at the game - karting, nascar, formula 1, rally, weather, course maker, 3D and the list goes on. But the reviewers complain about how there's a drop in frame rate or the bad AI - how about looking at how much 'fun' they actually have in the game... i find with american games and american reviewers they need to continously get more realistic... which to me doesn't necessary mean a better game, sometimes it can be more gamey when its simplified.

Anyways - IF this game was released back in 1988 I wonder if reviewers would have been as spoilt.

The only decent review has been at Eurogamer.

 

[Ken Masters]

TRUSTED:*
Those who echo my opinion

NON-TRUSTED:*
Those who offer a contradictory opinion





* subject to change by the management without prior notice

basically

 

[LCfiner]

GT5 reviews just goes to show what a bunch of smarmy self important people these reviewers really are. Of course they'll come back and say this was my honest opinion etc etc.

But lets be real - the game had a development cycle of about 6 years... content was locked away along time ago, engine was locked away a long time ago.... i would imagine most of the last year or so they would have been working away at perfecting alot of things and getting the game to play well. This is basically a 2008 game released in 2010 and it hurt it somewhat but that doesn't mean its not fun to play.

It irks me that the reviewers complain about so much stuff when they have already been given so much already... its like a spoilt brat at christmas. Look at the game - karting, nascar, formula 1, rally, weather, course maker, 3D and the list goes on. But the reviewers complain about how there's a drop in frame rate or the bad AI - how about looking at how much 'fun' they actually have in the game... i find with american games and american reviewers they need to continously get more realistic... which to me doesn't necessary mean a better game, sometimes it can be more gamey when its simplified.

Anyways - IF this game was released back in 1988 I wonder if reviewers would have been as spoilt.

The only decent review has been at Eurogamer.

holy shit. :lol

Gold, Jerry! Gold!

yes, those crazy spoiled reviewers with their smarmy, self important opinions.

 

[marc^o^]

basically

Nah, the game is awesome, it's not even debatable. I've read 7/10 reviews, something I've never seen in a gamer's life for high quality games like GT5. Hype was certainly too high for its own good, but GT5 is an A game, that's a FACT that may take more than a week for some to realize.

 

[flyinpiranha]

Nah, the game is awesome, it's not even debatable. I've read 7/10 reviews, something I've never seen in a gamer's life for high quality games like GT5. Hype was certainly too high for its own good, but GT5 is an A game, that's a FACT that may take more than a week for some to realize.

I love the game, but the issues they bring up are pretty spot on sans a couple errors here and there in random publications. I would never give this game a 7 though. But different strokes I guess.

And I know I'm in the minority here but I don't think a reviewer needs 100's of hours with the game or to explore every aspect of the thing to give a general review of what the game is. I know, I'll get shit for this mentality but to be honest, with most games I'm not looking for a play by play in depth analysis of every single aspect that it offers. I want to know the few things that most people want to know. Does it look good? Does it play good? Sup with damagez?

I agree that games journalism has gone downhill (in the mainstream sites at least) but a lot of the 8's and 7's I've read have really good points no matter how you look at it. Not many people are going to play 100 hours of GT5. Not many people even finish games to be honest, look at the numbers for ME2 and that's about as streamlined as you get (although still fantastic).

I see where their disappointment lies because I see the things they mention. While it doesn't hamper my enjoyment of the game you can't dismiss the problems with a simple "but look at all the other stuff".

 

[J-Rzez]

It's apparently not the best racing game this generation as we had anticipated, but it's a master work in its own right. If that's not good enough, then so be it.

I think it IS the best racing game this generation, as had anticipated. Unfortunately, it's not the "perfect racing game" we anticipated, with the various bugs/glitches and just flat out oddities. Those issues were just as unexpected as seeing the final feature-set the game offered, as well as how much work they put into the physics engine.

Only thing I'm really curious of is how the patches are going to work for this game since it sounds like we're going to get a plethora of them.

I bet you KY is very-very heartbroken right now though with the lukewarm response from reviewers and some gamers though.

 

[h3ro]

:lol smarmy

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

reviews != journalism

Reviews are opinion pieces. I see that misconception a lot on this board.

 

[Mobius 1]

I don't really blame the reviewers for disliking or even reporting inaccurate facts about the title. They're after all writing to their audience, and that audience was raised on Burnout and Modern Warfare. There's also a higher level of scrutiny over GT5 that's uncommon. It's unfortunate that many consumers rely on scores to make a purchase decision (understandable since games are not exactly cheap), but also sad that publishers are measuring their success by metascores as well.

I just hope PD sticks to their vision and keep working to the best of their ability. If they compromise in order to appease the critics, we will lose the only racing game/simulator that can absolutely convey what automotive passion is about.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

I don't really blame the reviewers for disliking or even reporting inaccurate facts about the title. They're after all writing to their audience, and that audience was raised on Burnout and Modern Warfare. There's also a higher level of scrutiny over GT5 that's uncommon.

I hate to break it to you but the Burnout, MW and GT5 audiences basically the same people. They were raised on GT too.

GT is not a niche series. The sales should tell you that.

 

[flyinpiranha]

I don't really blame the reviewers for disliking or even reporting inaccurate facts about the title. They're after all writing to their audience, and that audience was raised on Burnout and Modern Warfare. There's also a higher level of scrutiny over GT5 that's uncommon. It's unfortunate that many consumers rely on scores to make a purchase decision (understandable since games are not exactly cheap), but also sad that publishers are measuring their success by metascores as well.

I just hope PD sticks to their vision and keep working to the best of their ability. If they compromise in order to appease the critics, we will lose the only racing game/simulator that can absolutely convey what automotive passion is about.

You know, do a lot of 12-15 year olds go to all these websites like GamesRadar, Kotaku, Gamespot, IGN and all the other obscure review sites that pop up and read game reviews? I always see this "they're just writing to their audience" but I thought the main gaming audience was mid 20's to early 30's raised on the NES.

 

[dimb]

You know, do a lot of 12-15 year olds go to all these websites like GamesRadar, Kotaku, Gamespot, IGN and all the other obscure review sites that pop up and read game reviews? I always see this "they're just writing to their audience" but I thought the main gaming audience was mid 20's to early 30's raised on the NES.

People in their 20's and 30's have better things to do with their time.