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[The Technomancer]

Very different situations to say the least.

In terms of understandability? Perhaps. Like I said in the other thread, I understand what was going through their heads and hearts and I might have even acted the same way

In terms of justifiability? I don't see much difference. Both cases of people taking the law into their own hands based on their convictions.

 

[DY_nasty]

In terms of understandability? Perhaps. Like I said in the other thread, I understand what was going through their heads and hearts and I might have even acted the same way

In terms of justifiability? I don't see much difference. Both cases of people taking the law into their own hands based on their convictions.

Blatantly disregarding a police investigation and taking law into your own hands with clear intent to kill from the start is very obviously different than the other scenario.

:|

 

[DiipuSurotu]

It really doesn't because that guy was caught naked and hiding in the bushes while staring at underage girls then actually punching the first person who confronted him for it.

Totally the same thing.

I didn't say it was the same thing. Just that it reminded me of that topic, because in both cases the vigilantes were borderline sociopathic people who were more likely motivated by their thirst for violence than by an actual sense of "justice".

In the first thread the vigilante was a child abuser and domestic abuser, and in this one it's two guys who look like this:

 

[Sats]

Vigilantism and actively defending your family instead of calling the cops and waiting for a situation to resolve itself are two very different things. There are no absolutes in this. To compare this situation to the other one is a substantial leap.

Edit: ^^Yeah, dude punched one of the underage girls' brother first - after he got caught masturbating naked in a bush. Did they go too far? Arguable as they got caught up in one of hell of a moment. This is very different though. Saying that they aren't does you no favors.

"Being caught up in the moment" is no excuse at all. They absolutely went to far. In BOTH cases, someone went too far. Your convictions are no excuse for your actions.

I can tell you right now that if I was in the EXACT same situation, I would not chase down the offender and attempt to beat them to death.

 

[Plywood]

The Hunt immediately springs to mind, what a harrowing way to go. :/

 

[hipbabboom]

That victim looks a little brown... are we sure this was only because they thought he was a pedophile and nothing more?

 

[DY_nasty]

"Being caught up in the moment" is no excuse at all. They absolutely went to far. In BOTH cases, someone went too far. Your convictions are no excuse for your actions.

I can tell you right now that if I was in the EXACT same situation, I would not chase down the offender and attempt to beat them to death.

Good for you.

They're not the same situation though. Its like... common sense. Adding your own qualifiers is just bizarre in this. One is premeditated and a clear case of ignoring the police - murder. The other is a case of guys defending their daughter/sister who, to many, looked like was in position to be potentially assaulted and went too far AFTER being attacked by the naked man in the bushes.

Saying they're the same thing makes you look ridiculous.

 

[lastflowers]

seems fair

 

[dralla]

God damn this is Freddy Krueger in real life. Luckily these assholes were caught.

 

[Bear]

There is no situation where it is okay to take the law into your own hands and promote vigilantism.



They were not "defending their family". They chased him and caught up to him and beat him into critical condition.

It certainly was at first, he was caught in the act and his first response was to attack them. The extent and relentlessness of the beating was not reasonable enough to be protected under defense laws, but that's not the same as vigilante justice. It started off as a conceivable case of self defense that ended up crossing into assault.

You can make the case that neither case was justified, and I would agree, but you're misrepresenting the arguments to make them seem contradictory. My point is that you can have different opinions on each case without being inconsistent or hypocritical, which is what you keep implying.

 

[Toparaman]

Let this be a lesson to internet vigilantes.

 

[Sats]

Good for you.

They're not the same situation though. Its like... common sense. Adding your own qualifiers is just bizarre in this. One is premeditated and a clear case of ignoring the police - murder. The other is a case of guys defending their daughter/sister who, to many, looked like was in position to be potentially assaulted and went too far AFTER being attacked by the naked man in the bushes.

Saying they're the same thing makes you look ridiculous.

You keep saying I said they were the same thing. I never said that.

What I am saying is that their differences do not change the problem. Taking the law into your own hands and going too far, which OBJECTIVELY, happened in both cases.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Fight the good fight DY!

*walks out*

 

[shira]

Burned alive? This is so dumb.

mob justice smh

 

[javac]

I feel so sorry for that poor man

 

[DY_nasty]

You keep saying I said they were the same thing. I never said that.

What I am saying is that their differences do not change the problem. Taking the law into your own hands and going too far, which OBJECTIVELY, happened in both cases.

There is no situation where it is okay to take the law into your own hands and promote vigilantism.

Yeah, there is. If you or your family is in direct danger, then you get to justifiably defend yourself accordingly. There's no blurred line here at all. They're very different situations. Waiting for the police to release and man and then burn that man alive should never be compared to defending your kids from a possible rapist and then going to far when he hits you back.

Hop off that line. Its nonsense.

 

[Skeyser]

This is crazy, even if he was a known paedophile, you don't just fucking burn him, you'll end up in jail for a long ass time if you do.

 

[RSLAEV]

Fucking monsters. The guy was trying to get some justice and he gets fucked. I hope they throw away the goddamn keys.

 

[Sats]

Yeah, there is. If you or your family is in direct danger, then you get to justifiably defend yourself accordingly. There's no blurred line here at all. They're very different situations. Waiting for the police to release and man and then burn that man alive should never be compared to defending your kids from a possible rapist and then going to far when he hits you back.

Hop off that line. Its nonsense.

Why do you keep ignoring what I'm saying. They went TOO FAR. In BOTH cases.

 

[ChubbyHuggs]

This is crazy, even if he was a known paedophile, you don't just fucking burn him, you'll end up in jail for a long ass time if you do.

But he wasn't a known pedophile. He took some picture of kids vandalizing his property and was going to giving them to the police or at least that's what I took from it.

 

[DY_nasty]

Why do you keep ignoring what I'm saying. They went TOO FAR. In BOTH cases.

If you can't see how there's a substantial difference between the two, its you ignoring stuff.

 

[Dawg]

I wonder what went through their heads the moment someone told them they murdered an innocent person. That he wasn't even a pedophile.

I do find it hard to believe they murdered him just because of that. Seems like there's more to this story, could be wrong.

 

[Skeyser]

But he wasn't a known pedophile. He took some picture of kids vandalizing his property and was going to giving them to the police or at least that's what I took from it.

I know that, I said that it would be crazy even if he was one.

 

[Elija2]

Goddamn, what a tragedy. The man just wanted to protect his flowers but ends up getting falsely labeled as a pedophile. The sick people that burned him to death should rot in jail.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

I wonder what went through their heads the moment someone told them they murdered an innocent person. That he wasn't even a pedophile.

Nothing. Burning him means it was a pleasure kill. People who kill and torture for pleasure don't really care.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Holy..that's insane! WTF were these people on? Unbelievable..

 

[Dunedain_Ranger]

damnit beat lol

 

[params7]

I know that, I said that it would be crazy even if he was one.

Absolutely, even if he was one it doesn't in any way warrant beating/burning the man. Let the judicial law deal with that end. This is how our civilization is supposed to function, don't piss over it and make it chaotic by taking law into your own hands.

 

[B.K.]

There was a similar situation in my community a few years ago. A guy was arrested and charged having child pornography, and maybe molestation too, I don't really remember. A group of his neighbors went to his house one night and set it on fire. He got out, but his wife burned to death in the fire.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

only good tjong is that he was unconscious before they burned him.

i hope i don't go out like this.

 

[Spine_Ripper]

R.I.P. innocent gardener. Fucking embarrassing.

 

[RS4-]

Should do something about the youths fucking with his property too. Sad story.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

based on his name... I wonder if there was a racial motivation to attack this man as well.

 

[godhandiscen]

Who watches the Watchmen?

 

[Bear]

Should do something about the youths fucking with his property too. Sad story.

Now that I think of it, I wonder what those kids are going through considering they were ultimately the ones who set off this chain of events. Obviously they had no idea this would be the outcome, but I would be racked with guilt in that position.

 

[Fedelias]

Aaaaaand this is why the people shouldn't take the law into their hands.

 

[Cloud Strife]

"Let's solve the problem by killing him!"

Why the fuck...eifuojdnsjkhfwo04iwtjf

 

[Village]

...

I'm sure these jokes are comforting to the family that has to live with the knowledge that their loved one was burned alive.

I wasn't trying to be humorous , if it came off that way i'm sorry. Its just an eerie obsorvation more than anything else.

Miss-placed vigilantism is very Very serious business.

 

[EightBitNate]

I always thought this was part of the reason Batman doesn't kill. He realizes he is a vigilante and as such isn't part of the judicial system or any system for that matter, and acts accordingly by not taking the law into his own hands. If he kills, much like these guys did to that poor man, he's just another crazy psychopath.

did you just

 

[Elija2]

There was a similar situation in my community a few years ago. A guy was arrested and charged having child pornography, and maybe molestation too, I don't really remember. A group of his neighbors went to his house one night and set it on fire. He got out, but his wife burned to death in the fire.

Wow, that's fucked up. It seems like these people who think they're doing good only end up hurting innocent people (assuming that his wife was innocent).

 

[DonMigs85]

did you just

Did Spider-Man ever kill?

 

[DXLelouch153]

vigilantes arent all bad
Batman would never resort to burning someone
hed just beat the crap out of them

 

[Mariolee]

did you just

What I was trying to say was it's a terrible tragedy due to people not understanding something as simple as something kids know from just reading a god damn comic book.

 

[Sigmaah]

How the fuck do you just go beat a man and FUCKING BURN HIM TO DEATH WITH NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.

Hope those fuckers get life.

 

[Videoneon]

What is the "blackface three" thread? I know about the Julianne Hough one and the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman costume one, but I don't understand this other thread is about.

mob justice smh

Yes.

SMFH

vigilantes arent all bad
Batman would never resort to burning someone
hed just beat the crap out of them

Beating the crap out of an innocent man still sounds awful to me. Anyway, I don't know what the closest parallel to Gotham society (plus Batman's rogues gallery) and a troubled playboy who comes from Old Money, but I don't see why it matters.

The public shouldn't be trusted with use of violence as a means to justice. Violence is often selfish, as shown here. At least ostensibly the police can be held accountable. It's not the same for vigilantes.

 

[Messofanego]

...

I'm sure these jokes are comforting to the family that has to live with the knowledge that their loved one was burned alive.

Guys the Freddy Krueger jokes aren't funny. Even if they were at some point (they weren't) it's been overdone at this point.

If you've got a problem with the jokes, PM a mod.

 

[CornBurrito]

vigilantes arent all bad
Batman would never resort to burning someone
hed just beat the crap out of them

Which can still kill them.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Horrible.
RIP

 

[Toparaman]

vigilantes arent all bad
Batman would never resort to burning someone
hed just beat the crap out of them

(Batman Returns) (sorry if in bad taste)

 

[NaughtyCalibur]

Was he unconscoous when he was set on fire? I'm really hoping he at least had a painless death. :/