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Israel has denied entry to a UN human rights team seeking to probe this summer’s war in the Gaza Strip. Authorities in Jerusalem have given their initial approval to the construction of 200 new settlement homes.

On Wednesday, Israel's Foreign Ministry formally refused to cooperate with the commission of inquiry sent by the UN Human Rights Council to investigate the actions of both sides during the summer's war in Gaza. Israeli officials had expressed reservations when the UNHRC appointed the commission in August, but had not decided whether to cooperate. A statement released by the Foreign Ministry on Wednesday made matters clear, accusing the UNHRC of "obsessive hostility" and charging that the commission had reached its conclusions in advance.

"We will not work with them, and they will not enter Israel," spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon said.

The war in Gaza killed more than 2,100 Palestinians, the vast majority of them civilians. Six people were killed within Israel by rocket attacks launched from Gaza and 66 soldiers died in combat in the Strip.

Israel bombed and shelled 5,000 targets, destroying 20,000 homes and damaging 40,000, according to the Palestinian Authority. Militants launched more than 4,000 rockets across the border.

'Requirements to build'

A Jerusalem panel has approved plans to develop a new settlement in Palestinian territory. Brachie Sprung, speaking for the city, said the decision had nothing to do with recent politics. She said that officials had not intended any provocation in giving approval at a time of escalating tension in the city.

"It's a private developer who owns the land, so, according to the law, he answered all the necessary requirements to build on it," Sprung said, adding that the committee hadn't considered the timing of the decision, coming as it did amid days of clashes between Israeli forces and Palestinian protesters.

Israel regards Ramot as a Jewish neighborhood located within Jerusalem's boundaries on land captured in the 1967 war and then annexed in a move never internationally recognized. Palestinians and the international community, however, regard Ramot as a settlement, built mostly beyond the "green line" separating Israel from the West Bank. Ongoing settlement expansion has added to the frustrations of Palestinians, who want a viable state in the West Bank and Gaza, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

"We are deeply concerned by this decision, particularly given the tense situation in Jerusalem," US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told a media briefing on Wednesday.

@ http://www.dw.de/israel-denies-entry-to-gaza-for-unhrc-fact-finders/a-18059587


In somewhat related note:

Norway's doctor of peace for Gaza, Mads Gilbert, has been hit by a lifetime ban from entering the region by the Israeli government on Thursday.

Who is doctor Mads Gilbert?

• Born in Oslo, 1947.
• Head physician specialising in anesthesiology at University Hospital of North Norway.
• Over 30 years working in international conflict areas, especially Gaza.
• Awards include Fritt Ords Honorary Prize (2009).
• Appointed Commander to the Order of St Olaf (2013).
• Received PhD at University of Iowa.

Israeli authorities cited security reasons as to why they have shut doctor Gilbert out from the Gaza Strip.

The Norwegian 67-year-old has travelled to and from Gaza to treat Palestinians. This summer, the chief physician who lives and works in North Norway, was back working at Shifa hospital, Gaza, where he treated over 50 days many of the 11,000 injured.

The doctor was attempting to return to the region in October to help in the hospital and was stopped by Israeli officials from entering.
Gilbert says: “When we came back to the Erez border station, the Israeli soldiers told me that I could not go in to Gaza.”

Now the Israeli government is stating it is for security reasons that Gilbert is banned, according to an email from the Norwegian embassy in Tel Aviv. The embassy took up the case on Gilbert's behalf after he was refused entry last month.

Norway's Secretary of State, Bård Glad Pedersen, said to VG: “From the Norwegian perspective, we have raised Gilbert's exclusion from Gaza and asked Israel to change their decision. The humanitarian situation in Gaza is still difficult and there is a need for all health workers.”

Gilbert himself believes the decision is connected to his critical comments against the state of Israel.

The outspoken peace activist wrote a letter to the global media in July this year, evoking the extreme conditions at the Gaza hospital he worked in.

@ http://www.thelocal.no/20141114/israel-shuts-gilbert-out-from-gaza-for-life#.VGVjNErBl4w.twitter

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Israel has the right to defend itself. It's not their fault that 20k homes and 2100 Palestinians got in their way in bringing the peace.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Jburton]

They know they have committed crimes, hence the aversion to allowing the UNHRC to investigate.


They may hope that God they believe chose them does not exist, they have sent many babies into the afterlife with their bloodthirsty actions.

 

[TarNaru33]

Isn't this that non-binding investigation team that was created? Not sure if worth news since, the investigation isn't going to do much lol. I may be wrong about it though. I am neutral on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

The Israeli government might make a lot of bad decisions (those 200 new homes being one of them) but they are not complete idiots. They must know that not allowing this team into Gaza will make it look like they have something to hide. However, if they truly believe that the fact-finding mission is rotten and biased then their calculation may well be that cooperating in any capacity will only backfire and reflect on them even worse. And the track record of the UNHRC and Mads Gilbert in particular when it comes to Israel is full of bias so I really don't blame them for not being cooperative on this occasion. There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with. Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

 

[TarNaru33]

The Israeli government might make a lot of bad decisions (those 200 new homes being one of them) but they are not complete idiots. They must know that not allowing this team into Gaza will make it look like they have something to hide. However, if they truly believe that the fact-finding mission is rotten and biased then their calculation may well be that cooperating in any capacity will only backfire and reflect on them even worse. And the track record of the UNHRC and Mads Gilbert in particular when it comes to Israel is full of bias so I really don't blame them for not being cooperative on this occasion. There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with. Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

So this is that group that was created specifically to investigate Israeli war crimes, who may be biased?

Lol at the bold text... No one that is critical will accept U.S's findings of an Israeli war crime investigation. To me, this requires a true neutral investigation. Unfortunately, both sides that want investigations are biased to either Israel or Palestine.

 

[FZZ]

The Israeli government might make a lot of bad decisions (those 200 new homes being one of them) but they are not complete idiots. They must know that not allowing this team into Gaza will make it look like they have something to hide. However, if they truly believe that the fact-finding mission is rotten and biased then their calculation may well be that cooperating in any capacity will only backfire and reflect on them even worse. And the track record of the UNHRC and Mads Gilbert in particular when it comes to Israel is full of bias so I really don't blame them for not being cooperative on this occasion. There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with. Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

So you're telling letting in the UNHRC would make it look like they're hiding something?

Okay.

 

[slit]

Well of course they would. If you killed someone in your home and the police asked to search your house for clues, would you let them?

 

[NullPointer]

There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with.

That must be a very small list. And I wonder if in the future you'll keep to the qualification here of only seeking for nations to cooperate in war crimes investigations that are in that country's best interests. You know, when it comes to any other nation on the planet.

Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

This right here though, this is farce.

Well of course they would. If you killed someone in your home and the police asked to search your house for clues, would you let them?

I think we can all agree that the police are notoriously biased in those situations. Not to mention the obsessive hostility when they think they have evidence.

 

[slit]

I think we can all agree that the police are notoriously biased in those situations. Not to mention the obsessive hostility when they think they have evidence.

Okay, but you can't bias your way into facts, unless your suggesting the UNHRC wants to plant evidence.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

So you're telling letting in the UNHRC would make it look like they're hiding something?

Okay.

Clearly your reading skills are worse than Pooh's. I said the opposite.

That must be a very small list. And I wonder if in the future you'll keep to the qualification here of only seeking for nations to cooperate in war crimes investigations that are in that country's best interests. You know, when it comes to any other nation on the planet.

Why would you cooperate with someone who has said from the outset that they want to take you down? Gilbert said, before the last Gaza operation, that he would love to take Bibi to court more than anyone else - you know, more than dictators like Assad who have killed hundred of thousands of Syrians. When pressed, he said the reason was for Israel's actions in a war which Bibi had had no involvement with. By not cooperating with this mission, Israel is not incriminating itself because it is rotten to the core. If, however, a genuinely legitimate body proposed an investigation it would not be in Israel's best interests to refuse. It would be practically an admission of guilt. Maybe the US couldn't provide a satisfactory investigation, let's hear some other suggestions then.

 

[Jburton]

The Israeli government might make a lot of bad decisions (those 200 new homes being one of them) but they are not complete idiots. They must know that not allowing this team into Gaza will make it look like they have something to hide. However, if they truly believe that the fact-finding mission is rotten and biased then their calculation may well be that cooperating in any capacity will only backfire and reflect on them even worse. And the track record of the UNHRC and Mads Gilbert in particular when it comes to Israel is full of bias so I really don't blame them for not being cooperative on this occasion. There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with. Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

So Israels biggest sponsor could independently investigate them?


Shake your head.

 

[NullPointer]

Okay, but you can't bias your way into facts, unless your suggesting the UNHRC wants to plant evidence.

My mockery is too subtle I see.

 

[Chichikov]

The Israeli government might make a lot of bad decisions (those 200 new homes being one of them) but they are not complete idiots. They must know that not allowing this team into Gaza will make it look like they have something to hide. However, if they truly believe that the fact-finding mission is rotten and biased then their calculation may well be that cooperating in any capacity will only backfire and reflect on them even worse. And the track record of the UNHRC and Mads Gilbert in particular when it comes to Israel is full of bias so I really don't blame them for not being cooperative on this occasion. There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with. Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

Isreal's foriegn minister is totally an idiot.

Also, Israel admitting to things that the world and the UN finds very unpalattable, even a comittee without OMG TEH BIAS is going to make them look really bad in the eyes of most of the world.

 

[slit]

My mockery is too subtle I see.

Oh well apologies. I don't know who's reasonable anymore.

 

[NullPointer]

Maybe the US couldn't provide a satisfactory investigation, let's hear some other suggestions then.

I can't even begin to presume what organizations that Israel would consider to be unbiased.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

I can't even begin to presume what organizations that Israel would consider to be unbiased.

Well, probably not one that has focused almost half of it's country-specific condemnations on Israel, and not one that would choose as the leader of a war crimes investigation a communist whose party supported Pol Pot, who has an unhealthy obsession with Israel, the US and her allies, and who has expressed support for jihadist attacks such as 9/11.

 

[NullPointer]

Well, probably not one that has focuses almost half of it's country-specific condemnations on itself, and not one that would choose as the leader of a war crimes investigation a communist whose party supported Pol Pot, who has an unhealthy obsession with Israel, the US and her allies, and who has expressed support for jihadist attacks such as 9/11.

Any suggestions?

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Any suggestions?

I suggested the US because it isn't as crazy as you might think - rabid Israel supporters see Obama as the devil because he and his administration have been willing to criticize Bibi and his government. But obviously I see the objections, so why not an investigation that has observers from various nations, so not just US but also other countries that do not directly support either Israel or Hamas. I would suggest Egypt but they have enough of their own problems. Turkey would have been good before the diplomatic fallout following the raid on the "aid" flotilla. Plenty of European countries could conceivably send independent observers. But who the UNHRC chose for this mission is just so non-independent, almost anything would be better.

 

[RiZ III]

Gee I wonder why..

 

[NullPointer]

Well, probably not one that has focused almost half of it's country-specific condemnations on Israel, and not one that would choose as the leader of a war crimes investigation a communist whose party supported Pol Pot, who has an unhealthy obsession with Israel, the US and her allies, and who has expressed support for jihadist attacks such as 9/11.

Who is leading this investigation?

have been trying to find who you're speaking of, but have had no luck.

11 August 2014 – The United Nations Human Rights Council announced today the appointment of three members to its independent Commission of Inquiry to investigate purported violations of international humanitarian and human rights laws in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and particularly in the Gaza Strip since the conflict began on 13 June.

In a statement released this afternoon, the Council's President, Ambassador Baudelaire Ndong Ella (Gabon), announced that the human rights body appointed Amal Alamuddin (United Kingdom), Doudou Diène (Senegal) and William Schabas (Canada) to serve as members on the international Commission. Mr. Schabas will also serve as the Commission's Chair.

(source: UN News)

Commissioners

In August 2014, the Human Rights Council announced the appointment of Mary McGowan Davis, Doudou Diène and William Schabas as members of the Commission of Inquiry. The following are the biographies of the members of the Commission of Inquiry:

Mary McGowan Davis (United States of America) served as a Justice of the Supreme Court of the State of New York and as a federal prosecutor during the course of a 24-year career in the criminal justice sector in New York City. She also has extensive experience in the fields of international human rights law and transitional justice. She is a member of the Board of Directors of the American Association for the International Commission of Jurists and the International Judicial Academy, and serves on the Managerial Board of the International Association of Women Judges. Justice McGowan Davis also served as a member and then Chair of the UN Committee of Independent Experts tasked with following up on the findings of the UN Fact-Finding Mission on the Gaza conflict occurring between December 2008 and January 2009.

Doudou Diène (Senegal) was the United Nations Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance from 2002 to 2008 and the Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in Côte d’Ivoire from 2011 to 2014. He is also a former Director of the Intercultural and Interreligious Dialogue Division of UNESCO. He is a Member of the Board of the International Coalition of Sites of Conscience. Mr. Diène holds a doctorate in public law from the University of Paris and a law degree from the University of Caen (France).

William Schabas (Canada) is professor of international law at Middlesex University in London. He is also professor of international criminal law and human rights at Leiden University as well as emeritus professor human rights law at the Irish Centre for Human Rights of the National University of Ireland Galway. From 2002 to 2004, he served as one of three international members of the Sierra Leone Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Mr. Schabas was also a member and Chair of the Board of Trustees of the United Nations Voluntary Fund for Technical Cooperation in Human Rights and has drafted the 2010 report of the Secretary-General on the status of the death penalty.

(source: http://www.ohchr.org/)

I suggested the US because it isn't as crazy as you might think ...

It really, really is.

 

[EnlightenedMint]

Well they can't have another Goldstone Report coming out.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Who is leading this investigation?

Where are you going with this? The constituent members could vote for a leader, I don't know. It doesn't matter. What matters is that the actual proposed investigation is bullshit. Do you honestly not believe that a better proposition could be made? Maybe Israel would indeed say no to any voluntary investigation. But there are plenty of scenarios where they would genuinely look bad if they did so. Those here who are suggesting Israel simply doesn't want the truth getting out need to actually do their research before deciding whether those behind the investigation are actually interested in the truth and not just slandering Israel while excusing Hamas's crimes. I too want any Israeli war crimes to be exposed and would condemn Israel's government if they refused entry to an observer team that had any credibility.

Edit: Sorry, I misunderstood your question.

I was actually referring to Israel banning Mads GIlbert from entering the region. Apologies for my mistake and the confusion.

Also, Schabas is the man who has been gunning for Netanyahu for many years, prior to this conflict, and accused him of crimes which, true or not, were alleged to have happened under a completely different leadership. So not bat-shit insane like Mads Gilbert.but certainly someone who makes very little effort to hide his bias.

 

[questionmark]

The Israeli government might make a lot of bad decisions (those 200 new homes being one of them) but they are not complete idiots. They must know that not allowing this team into Gaza will make it look like they have something to hide. However, if they truly believe that the fact-finding mission is rotten and biased then their calculation may well be that cooperating in any capacity will only backfire and reflect on them even worse. And the track record of the UNHRC and Mads Gilbert in particular when it comes to Israel is full of bias so I really don't blame them for not being cooperative on this occasion. There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with. Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

You do realise that Mads Gilbert is noting more than a doctor, right? You think there is any justification in preventing a doctor from working in an area where doctors are needed just because he calls Israel out on their bullshit is in any way justifiable? I say this as a guy who doesn't even like Gilbert.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

You do realise that Mads Gilbert is noting more than a doctor, right? You think there is any justification in preventing a doctor from working in an area where doctors are needed just because he calls Israel out on their bullshit is in any way justifiable? I say this as a guy who doesn't even like Gilbert.

Well, he is ostensibly a doctor, as well as a pundit who is often given legitimacy in the media, but I don't see a problem with Israel barring entry to someone who supports terrorism.

 

[Chichikov]

Well, he is ostensibly a doctor, as well as a pundit who is often given legitimacy in the media, but I don't see a problem with Israel barring entry to someone who supports terrorism.

He is a doctor, he treated thousands of people in Gaza and saved countless lives.
And please, it's not like his ability to say bad things about Israel (can we call it communicational terrorism? it will go well with economical terrorism and diplomatic terrorism) is hampered because he can't get into Gaza, it's a petty vindictive action that will cost people's lives.

p.s.
It's funny how he's allowed to Israel, but banned from Gaza, I guess his secret terrorist powers only work there. Also, remember that Israel can for all intents and purposes ban people from getting into Gaza next time the Israeli Internet Defense Force claim that Israel assert no control over Gaza.

 

[yarden24]

He is a doctor, he treated thousands of people in Gaza and saved countless lives.
And please, it's not like his ability to say bad things about Israel (can we call it communicational terrorism? it will go well with economical terrorism and diplomatic terrorism) is hampered because he can't get into Gaza, it's a petty vindictive action that will cost people's lives.

p.s.
It's funny how he's allowed to Israel, but banned from Gaza, I guess his secret terrorist powers only work there. Also, remember that Israel can for all intents and purposes ban people from getting into Gaza next time the Israeli Internet Defense Force claim that Israel assert no control over Gaza.

im actually wondering,does Egypt not let anyone into Gaza except for Palestinians? or do they not get to cross either nowadays?

 

[BrokenEchelon]

Pieces of complete shit.

 

[Chichikov]

im actually wondering,does Egypt not let anyone into Gaza except for Palestinians? or do they not get to cross either nowadays?

It's very unpredictable, though these days there's a pretty strong security collaboration between Egypt and Israel, so if Israel doesn't want anyone in, they won't get it.

Also, since Israel controls the Palestinian census in Gaza, it has effective control over who gets in as a Palestinian.

 

[FelixOrion]

Fucking israel, this is so goddamn ridiculous.

 

[ConstructMe]

I dont get why you guys are so anti israel, dont the Palestinians/muslims have enough countries already to just let the jews keep this bit of land?

 

[kess]

I dont get why you guys are so anti israel, dont the Palestinians/muslims have enough countries already to just let the jews keep this bit of land?

oh my

 

[Joni]

The Israeli government might make a lot of bad decisions (those 200 new homes being one of them) but they are not complete idiots. They must know that not allowing this team into Gaza will make it look like they have something to hide. However, if they truly believe that the fact-finding mission is rotten and biased then their calculation may well be that cooperating in any capacity will only backfire and reflect on them even worse. And the track record of the UNHRC and Mads Gilbert in particular when it comes to Israel is full of bias so I really don't blame them for not being cooperative on this occasion. There must be a body out there who can claim to be more independent and who it would be in Israel's best interest to cooperate with. Considering the US is currently being more critical than it has in the past, I don't see why they shouldn't propose an investigation, I could see them managing to be critical of both Israel and Hamas based on the actual evidence.

Or you know, what they have to hide is a lot worse than what we suspect.

 

[mjontrix]

I dont get why you guys are so anti israel, dont the Palestinians/muslims have enough countries already to just let the jews keep this bit of land?

Are you going blind or something to the numerous bombings, the forcing civilians out of their own homes, the insults to numerous cuntries, the complete discrimination, the blocking of medical aid... oh wait...

 

[Jonm1010]

I dont get why you guys are so anti israel, dont the Palestinians/muslims have enough countries already to just let the jews keep this bit of land?

Tell me more about these countries that the Palestinians have?

 

[ConstructMe]

Tell me more about these countries that the Palestinians have?

Arent they muslims? Muslims have heaps of safer decent countries like turkey/indonesia/jordan etc.

And if not israel where do you propose the jews expand into??

 

[Regulus Tera]

I dont get why you guys are so anti israel, dont the Palestinians/muslims have enough countries already to just let the jews keep this bit of land?

Arent they muslims? Muslims have heaps of safer decent countries like turkey/indonesia/jordan etc.

Fucking Poe's law.

 

[ConstructMe]

Thing is in threads like this why dont people answer the qs instead of making snide remarks? Im trying to be informed as to why this is a big deal.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Or you know, what they have to hide is a lot worse than what we suspect.

Possible, but considering at the time Hamas did everything in their power to mislead journalists in Gaza, denying them access to areas where they themselves were committing war crimes while presenting injured civilians as casualties of Israeli bombs even in cases where their own rocket fire had resulted in Palestinian casualties, I believe we would have heard about the worst offences by now.

 

[Joni]

Arent they muslims? Muslims have heaps of safer decent countries like turkey/indonesia/jordan etc.

Palestinians are an ethnic group that have lived there for ages. You're saying this ethnic group doesn't deserve their own country because of their religion.

And if not israel where do you propose the jews expand into??

The USA. Christians already have a lot better and safer countries to go to.

Possible, but considering at the time Hamas did everything in their power to mislead journalists in Gaza, denying them access to areas where they themselves were committing war crimes while presenting injured civilians as casualties of Israeli bombs even in cases where their own rocket fire had resulted in Palestinian casualties, I believe we would have heard about the worst offences by now.

And now imagine we'd have actual proof of all those things instead of claims by Hamas.

 

[Xe4]

Arent they muslims? Muslims have heaps of safer decent countries like turkey/indonesia/jordan etc.

And if not israel where do you propose the jews expand into??

You do know it's not OK to force people out of their homes, right. Thats the rough equivalent of saying "There's so many Spanish speaking countries, so obviously OK if the US invades Mexico, forces everyone out, and then demolishes the cities to build their own cities on top of them."

 

[Heshinsi]

Arent they muslims? Muslims have heaps of safer decent countries like turkey/indonesia/jordan etc.

And if not israel where do you propose the jews expand into??

What? Do you realise how crazy you sound? So what if Egypt dealt with it's Christian population by shipping them all out to Europe? There are "safer decent countries like France/Germany/Spain etc" Sounds batshit insane right? That's how you sound right now.

 

[Chichikov]

Thing is in threads like this why dont people answer the qs instead of making snide remarks? Im trying to be informed as to why this is a big deal.

You just really sounded like someone trolling this thread.
To answer your question - it's the place they were born and were their ancestors lived, why would they have to go anywhere?
Can you imagine someone going to Spanish people and saying - there are so many Christians countries, why do you have to live in Spain?

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Yeah Constructme, this is a touchy subject and it would pay to do a little research. The vast concensus is that Palestinians deserve their own state as much as Israelis. Also another answer as to why they can't live in other Muslim countries is because the Arab world in particular treats them as pawns and wants nothing to do with them, as evidenced by the terrible refugee camps in countries like Syria.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Arent they muslims? Muslims have heaps of safer decent countries like turkey/indonesia/jordan etc.

And if not israel where do you propose the jews expand into??

This sounds like what the Nazis thought when they decided to be assholes.

 

[ConstructMe]

No im not a troll just uninformed, i get it now thanks.

 

[Chichikov]

Yeah Constructme, this is a touchy subject and it would pay to do a little research. The vast concensus is that Palestinians deserve their own state as much as Israelis. Also another answer as to why they can't live in other Muslim countries is because the Arab world in particular treats them as pawns and wants nothing to do with them, as evidenced by the terrible refugee camps in countries like Syria.

Jordan granted Palestinian refugees citizenship.
But again, the question is not "why wouldn't they go to live in other Arab countries" but "why couldn't they go back to their homes", and the answer for that is very very simple -
Because Israel didn't let them, with the threat (and execution) of deadly force.

 

[Cheesecakebobby]

Jordan granted Palestinian refugees citizenship.
But again, the question is not "why wouldn't they go to live in other Arab countries" but "why couldn't they go back to their homes", and the answer for that is very very simple -
Because Israel didn't let them, with the threat (and execution) of deadly force.

Yep, the founding of the post war middle east was bloody and full of grievances. Jews in Arab countries had it at least as bad. The difference was that Israel repatriated expelled Jews while Palestinians had nowhere to go. (edit: except those granted Jordanian citizenship)

Count me as one of the people who thinks the creation of Israel was full of fuck ups and should have been handled extremely differently, but who thinks maintaining a secure Israel today is the best thing to do in the situation.

 

[Dai101]

In rare move, Israel denies Colombian foreign minister entry to Ramallah

Israel denied this week a request by Colombian Foreign Minister Maria Angela Holguin to visit Ramallah.

According to a statement by the Foreign Ministry in Bogota, Israel would only permit Holguin to visit Ramallah if she agreed to visit Jerusalem on the same visit to the region. A senior official in the Israeli Foreign Ministry confirmed the matter, stating that the directive was ordered by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.

MORE@ http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.626469

 

[Anion]

In rare move, Israel denies Colombian foreign minister entry to Ramallah

Israel denied this week a request by Colombian Foreign Minister Maria Angela Holguin to visit Ramallah.

According to a statement by the Foreign Ministry in Bogota, Israel would only permit Holguin to visit Ramallah if she agreed to visit Jerusalem on the same visit to the region. A senior official in the Israeli Foreign Ministry confirmed the matter, stating that the directive was ordered by Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman.

MORE@ http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.626469

hmm, clearly nothing is wrong