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Japan to foreign workers: We don't need you anymore; get out & don't come back ever
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Jamesfrom818
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I'm surprised there hasn't been a "(I'm an expert)" post.
ElectricBlue187 said:
the government doesn't want to budge, they know the population is in decline but they want to keep it homogenous at the same time.
Thats why they brought in all those Japanese-Brazilians because they could keep the population as pure as possible.
it doesn't. In a country of over 127 million they are expected to lose near 20 million of those people by 2050.
SovietStriker
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Who the hell is the girl in that pic
titiklabingapat
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If this is hoe they treat thier own race's expatriates, I don't even want to know how they treat those lower end jobs from the rest of Asia that don't have any Japanese ancestry at all.
Fox318 said:Does that mean they are gonna kick CheapyD out of Japan?
nah I think he's fine.
They mainly want to get rid of low end factory workers wh are probably unemployed and dont have any future job prospects ATM for fear of actually having poor hobos in their country.
Anyway what I don't understand is: why can't they come back ever? Doesn't the government want the cheap labor when the times are good?
The Frankman
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Japannia for Japannians!!!
Seriously, racist bastards.
Seriously, racist bastards.
LiveFromKyoto
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Shouta said:
In the opinion of most sensible people. The Japanese government knows very well it's facing a population crisis with projected negative growth, they have for a while. The protectionist instinct in the LDP is just too difficult to overcome. They won't budge until the crisis hits them full in the face, and maybe not even then.
To play devil's advocate here, I can certainly understand their actions. If they are anticipating massive low-end job loss, at best they're looking at costly social programs to support the unemployed non-citizens, or at worst (and quite plausibly) widespread social disorder and increased crime.
That said, I do not think what they are doing is right.
EDIT: And I think under-population only matters if they are looking at a healthy, steadily increasing economy. The forecast right now might well be over-population.
That said, I do not think what they are doing is right.
EDIT: And I think under-population only matters if they are looking at a healthy, steadily increasing economy. The forecast right now might well be over-population.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
sprsk said:
didn't help them
nyong said:
that is the lamest devil's advocate I have ever seen... Aso would be proud.
Also to the edit. No matter how they do it they are not going to have enough money to pay social sercurity to the retiring people coming up here. They need able working bodies in their 20 - 30s to be here.. They are targeting a class that has gotten too big for the government to feel safe about...
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Income inequality > population decline
America wins again!
But really now, that was alot of stupid that just came out of "Mr. Kawasaki's" mouth. Japan should stay a solo-ethnic society despite the population shrinkage because of America's income inequality problems, despite said problems not being as black and white as "immigrant vs rich guy" (what is this, the 1800s?).
Ether_Snake
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Plenty of "poor immigrants" see their kids live fine lives making as much as any other American.
It usually takes a generation or two at most.
It usually takes a generation or two at most.
Blackace
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nyong said:
Aso is the current PM... and pretty much they are targeting Latin Americans, mostly ones from Brazil.
There are plenty of Chinese, Korean and African factory workers. But they have their heart set on sending the Latinos back.. who knows maybe they are offering other people this as well.. but nothing has been reported as much..
Yep. It's the major reason why our family got the fuck out of there. We weren't going to take our chances when we had few friends on our side (none of whom would have been able or willing to do anything anyway) and the people who were threatening to come after us -- and specifically, me, being the child -- probably had Yakuza on their side (and even if they really didn't, we sure weren't going to take the bluff on that). It's a terrible situation with how much influence they have, but what can you do but to accept it or escape from it. And definitely the latter if you're not welcomed to live there.LiveFromKyoto said:
LiveFromKyoto
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rpmurphy said:
How did you run afoul of the Yakuza?
Love To Love You Baby
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rpmurphy said:
Errr - details please?
Tornado Condor
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dr3upmushroom said:
Couldn't agree more. Why are you guys saying that Japan is shitty for kicking foreigners out but don't say shit about the US doing the same?
norinrad21
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Green Biker Dude said:
well you do know half the posters here are Japanophiles don't you? Everything Japan does is sugoi in their eyes.
RevenantKioku
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How's your Japanese?Replicant said:
ElectricBlue187
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salva said:
because America doesn't kick out legal immigrants en masse.
HomerSimpson-Man
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salva said:
Yeah, we Americans tend to kick out illegal immigrants like the Japanese kick out legal immigrants.
I'm so sorry.
The Frankman
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I would've gone with "kawaii!" or however it's spelled.norinrad21 said:
oh shit pagebanner ad :lol
salva said:
First of all, we are kicking out Mexicans because they are here illegally and crossed the border illegally.
Secondly, Japan invited the South Americans of Japanese descent back in the first place, read my previous post about wanting cheap labor but not wanting non-japanese immigrants.
These Japanese-Brazilians were lured by the strong currency and better wages, compared to Brazil's unstable economy and were welcomed by the Japanese government. They took the plane and legally immigrated to Japan to work. Illegal mexicans on the other hand jumped a fence and just settled here. It's a whole different scenario so dont use this as an opportunity to bash America when its clearly not relevant.
So yeah Japan is shitty for kicking out foreigners who were allowed and wanted in the first place.
Their loss. When the economy is back to the better, Japan will have trouble to use its potential simply because of the lack of workers available.
Usually the worse the economy is, the harsher and stricter the laws are. Which means immigrants who were legally in a country twenty years ago would be illegal under today's circumstances. My parents were immigrants too, and I'm not sure if they could be here (and get the citizenship) if they came ten years later.
While I agree that it isn't the same, the difference between a legal and an illegal immigrant often isn't as big as people might think. Bureaucracy makes a big deal of it, and often it's all about whether the country wants them or not.Chumly said:
Usually the worse the economy is, the harsher and stricter the laws are. Which means immigrants who were legally in a country twenty years ago would be illegal under today's circumstances. My parents were immigrants too, and I'm not sure if they could be here (and get the citizenship) if they came ten years later.
MWS Natural
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Wow...More Japanese Brazilians please 
Oh, stop talking like Japan is kicking out foreiners.Zyzyxxz said:
Illegal immigrants cannot stay even if they want, but in this case, these Japanese-Brazillians can do if they want. Japanese goverment just said that they would give 300,000 yen to those who want to go back home and find a new job there. What's wrong with it? That NYT article only introduces people who are blaming Japanese goverment, but there are also people who consider this program as a good chance. (Link)
Can't work in Japan again? What if they get money and come back in a half month. That's better than work.
Jamesfrom818
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Hellion said:
No clue. Just saw the pictures from the beautiful women thread.
Black-Wind
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Japan: The more I learn the less I like . . .
The Take Out Bandit
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America's the melting pot, not Japan. :lol
cicerone said:
As if the prospects in Brazil are any better, South American economies suck anyway and Brazil, although its suppose to be a real growth market, is also very volatile right now.
Also 300,000 probably doesn't even cover the cost of airfare for an entire family. Basically its voluntary kickout because what really changes when they get off the plane in Brazil? The 300,000 they got from the government is gone and they aren't gonna have a job either way.
Never allowing them to seek work in Japan again? That's bullshit and the politicans are gonna go back on their word once the economy recovers and they are begging to pay them 300,000 yen to fly back over to work shit jobs.
LiveFromKyoto
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Neo C. said:
There'll always be a lineup of people from China, South/Southeast Asia and Oceania waiting to take those jobs. Japan will never have an issue filling them as long as they're paying better than back home.
Not that it matters. Anybody who's motivated enough to stay long term in Japan in the first place is likely not going to leave. Things like this move are pissing into the wind against globalization.
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