ElectricBlue187 said:I don't really understand the reasoning behind restricting immigration. Your economy cannot grow in the long term if your population growth remains flat. Kicking out dem damn ferigners taken ur jerbs might feel good in the short run but in the long run you're shooting yourself in the foot
Isn't Japan facing an underpopulation issue right now? How does this move make any sense?
Fox318 said:Does that mean they are gonna kick CheapyD out of Japan?
vas_a_morir said:Sounds like uneducated "3 k" labor jobs. But, I could see that happening in the future, too.
Shouta said:Been hearing about this recently myself and I find it a damn shame they`re doing this. If this country needs any one thing, it`s people from other parts of the world, at least in my opinion.
LiveFromKyoto said:In the opinion of most sensible people. The Japanese government knows very well it's facing a population crisis with projected negative growth, they have for a while. The protectionist instinct in the LDP is just too difficult to overcome. They won't budge until the crisis hits them full in the face, and maybe not even then.
sprsk said:It's up to us to spread our seed and repopulate the country with half bloods.
But if she takes the money, Mrs. Yamaoka and her husband, Sergio a Brazilian national of Japanese descent must agree not to seek work in Japan again.
nyong said:To play devil's advocate here, I can certainly understand their actions. If they are anticipating massive low-end job loss, at best they're looking at costly social programs to support the unemployed non-citizens, or at worst (and quite plausibly) widespread social disorder and increased crime.
That said, I do not think what they are doing is right.
EDIT: And I think under-population only matters if they are looking at a healthy, steadily increasing economy. The forecast right now might well be over-population.
I do not think that Japan should ever become a multi-ethnic society like the United States, which has been a failure on the immigration front, Mr. Kawasaki added. That failure, he said, was demonstrated by extreme income inequalities between rich Americans and poor immigrants.
Blackace said:that is the lamest devil's advocate I have ever seen... Aso would be proud.
Also to the edit. No matter how they do it they are not going to have enough money to pay social sercurity to the retiring people coming up here. They need able working bodies in their 20 - 30s to be here.. They are targeting a class that has gotten too big for the government to feel safe about...
nyong said:I have no idea who Aso is.
And specifically to the bolded part, are you saying that their actions are the result of racism-fueled fear of a growing underclass?
Yep. It's the major reason why our family got the fuck out of there. We weren't going to take our chances when we had few friends on our side (none of whom would have been able or willing to do anything anyway) and the people who were threatening to come after us -- and specifically, me, being the child -- probably had Yakuza on their side (and even if they really didn't, we sure weren't going to take the bluff on that). It's a terrible situation with how much influence they have, but what can you do but to accept it or escape from it. And definitely the latter if you're not welcomed to live there.LiveFromKyoto said:You live in Japan now? I'm guessing you're in the inaka or a recent arrival. Stay a couple of years, and you'll start to realize just how much of the country the Yakuza have a hand in, from government and business right down to the hot dog stand at every neighbourhood matsuri.
The Yakuza get away with it for three main reasons:
1. Politics in Japan are expensive, and it's nearly impossible to run without taking Yak money. A lot of politicians at every level are in their pockets.
2. They're often better organized and motivated than the police are, and the populace is completely cowed.
3. There's a certain level of tolerance because A) organized crime is easier to deal with than the disorganized chinpira; the Yakuza at least keep the guns and drugs at a reasonable level, and B) at least they're Japanese. If it's not them running it, the triads and Koreans and Thai mobs will take over, and then the shit will really hit the fan.
rpmurphy said:Yep. It's the major reason why our family got the fuck out of there. We weren't going to take our chances when we had few friends on our side (none of whom would have been able or willing to do anything anyway) and the people who were threatening to come after us -- and specifically, me, being the child -- probably had Yakuza on their side (and even if they really didn't, we sure weren't going to take the bluff on that). It's a terrible situation with how much influence they have, but what can you do but to accept it or escape from it. And definitely the latter if you're not welcomed to live there.
rpmurphy said:Yep. It's the major reason why our family got the fuck out of there. We weren't going to take our chances when we had few friends on our side (none of whom would have been able or willing to do anything anyway) and the people who were threatening to come after us -- and specifically, me, being the child -- probably had Yakuza on their side (and even if they really didn't, we sure weren't going to take the bluff on that). It's a terrible situation with how much influence they have, but what can you do but to accept it or escape from it. And definitely the latter if you're not welcomed to live there.
Not Yakuza itself, but people likely to have connections with them. Specifically, the person who arranged for us to immigrate to Japan. The arrangement was politically-motivated so it turned out and we refused to do our end.LiveFromKyoto said:How did you run afoul of the Yakuza?
dr3upmushroom said:America's been doing this to Mexicans for decades...Actually nothing new as far as human history is concerned...
Green Biker Dude said:I'm pretty sure a lot of people say this is okay because Japan is doing it. If it was any other country they'd be grabbing their e-pitchforks.
How's your Japanese?Replicant said:I never said it's indicative of every foreigner's life. I just said it's what I and some of my friends have experienced so far. And God knows how many foreigners have good experiences vs. those who had bad ones. Just as my experience is not indicative of every foreigner's life, neither is yours. For all we know, yours could be an exception.
Japan is a fantastic country to live in, but so far my good experience came not so much from its people but more from the natural beauty, the convenience, and the awesome foods that the country has to offer. And oh, life do tend a bit nicer if you also have friends from other countries that you can talk to. Some Japanese people were nice to us but there's this invisible barrier that neither I nor my friends can seem to penetrate.
salva said:Couldn't agree more. Why are you guys saying that Japan is shitty for kicking foreigners out but don't say shit about the US doing the same?
thetrin said:Except it's not even a flat population growth. It's a SHRINKING population. Japan is about to enter a serious population crisis, but they don't seem to want to fix the problem.
salva said:Couldn't agree more. Why are you guys saying that Japan is shitty for kicking foreigners out but don't say shit about the US doing the same?
watsalva said:Couldn't agree more. Why are you guys saying that Japan is shitty for kicking foreigners out but don't say shit about the US doing the same?
I would've gone with "kawaii!" or however it's spelled.norinrad21 said:well you do know half the posters here are Japanophiles don't you? Everything Japan does is sugoi in their eyes.
salva said:Couldn't agree more. Why are you guys saying that Japan is shitty for kicking foreigners out but don't say shit about the US doing the same?
While I agree that it isn't the same, the difference between a legal and an illegal immigrant often isn't as big as people might think. Bureaucracy makes a big deal of it, and often it's all about whether the country wants them or not.Chumly said:Please tell us how kicking out LEGAL immigrants is the same as kicking out ILLEGAL immigrants?
God forbid the day that the US decides to kick out legal immigrants the way Japan is doing. Can you imagine the shit storm on this board of hate for the US?
Jamesfrom818 said:They could be throwing out girls that grow up to look like this
Their loss.
This is some Street Fighter level shit right there. Them babies will make Chun Li blushJamesfrom818 said:They could be throwing out girls that grow up to look like this
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/killer-ra/Women VI/Unkown_JP-BZ5.jpg
Their loss.
Oh, stop talking like Japan is kicking out foreiners.Zyzyxxz said:First of all, we are kicking out Mexicans because they are here illegally and crossed the border illegally.
Secondly, Japan invited the South Americans of Japanese descent back in the first place, read my previous post about wanting cheap labor but not wanting non-japanese immigrants.
These Japanese-Brazilians were lured by the strong currency and better wages, compared to Brazil's unstable economy and were welcomed by the Japanese government. They took the plane and legally immigrated to Japan to work. Illegal mexicans on the other hand jumped a fence and just settled here. It's a whole different scenario so dont use this as an opportunity to bash America when its clearly not relevant.
So yeah Japan is shitty for kicking out foreigners who were allowed and wanted in the first place.
Hellion said:Name?
Jamesfrom818 said:They could be throwing out girls that grow up to look like this
Their loss.
That's pretty same as what I thought about the US when I was a teenager.Black-Wind said:Japan: The more I learn the less I like . . .
Black-Wind said:Japan: The more I learn the less I like . . .
basicallyBlack-Wind said:Japan: The more I learn the less I like . . .
cicerone said:Oh, stop talking like Japan is kicking out foreiners.
Illegal immigrants cannot stay even if they want, but in this case, these Japanese-Brazillians can do if they want. Japanese goverment just said that they would give 300,000 yen to those who want to go back home and find a new job there. What's wrong with it? That NYT article only introduces people who are blaming Japanese goverment, but there are also people who consider this program as a good chance. (Link)
Can't work in Japan again? What if they get money and come back in a half month. That's better than work.
Not per family. 300,000 yen for per worker and 200,000 yen for per dependent.Zyzyxxz said:300,000 probably doesn't even cover the cost of airfare for an entire family.
Neo C. said:Their loss. When the economy is back to the better, Japan will have trouble to use its potential simply because of the lack of workers available.