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[AcademicSaucer]

British jihadi brides are returning home after being widowed, or being sent away by husbands preparing to make a final stand with the Islamic State group.

As many as 10 British women and their children have left the extremists' so-called caliphate in recent months and a couple have already made it back to the UK, according to both counter-terrorism sources and a former jihadi bride.

Foreign women are also apparently fleeing after becoming disillusioned with the restrictions of life under Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil).

Police and Home Office officials expect more women to arrive in the coming months, posing the question of what to do with them and their children.

More than 50 British women are estimated to have headed to Iraq and Syria in recent years. Some went out with their husbands and even children, but others travelled alone after being attracted by Isil social media recruiters portraying a jihadi bride's life as a heady mix of romance, adventure and piety.

Those returning face police questioning, but any decision to arrest people, charge them or keep them under surveillance is based on intelligence about what they did abroad, or any plotting they carried out before they left the UK.

One source said: ”When we look at the risk these women pose, it's all case by case, but we have to be aware of who they were married to."

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...es-returning-home-widowed-sent-home-husbands/

 

[Kerensky]

Why should the UK take them in?

 

[Skellig Gra]

Why should the UK take them in?

I assume they are citizen still. Don't really have a choice.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Foreign women are also apparently fleeing after becoming disillusioned with the restrictions of life under Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil).

The fuck did they expect?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Why should the UK take them in?

I mean, the first word in the OP implies they are British.

 

[n00bsauce87]

Religion can be a hell of a drug

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

I thought trying to leave isis was a death sentence.

 

[MistakenMobius]

I thought trying to leave isis was a death sentence.

Gotta prepare the next generation.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Man, it took me a good second to unpack that thread title, I'm not even going to lie.

 

[Tagyhag]

I thought trying to leave isis was a death sentence.

Yeah I'm surprised the husbands even divorced them. Hope the government keeps a close watch on them.

 

[milanbaros]

Why should the UK take them in?

It's literally the first word in the OP. They're British citizens.

 

[LizardKing]

People can be so dumb. It's better to be accepting though when people want to be accepted back as rejecting only creates more enemies/misguided people. Best way to defeat radicalism is to accept people into society as a whole.

 

[Sinfamy]

They should be welcomed in jail if they left and put their children in danger.
Kids should be given therapy.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Both the wives and children will need heavy therapy, hopefully they get the help they need.

 

[CryptiK]

Lock em all up. Put the kids in therapy and adoption agencies.

 

[GavinUK86]

Some went out with their husbands and even children, but others travelled alone after being attracted by Isil social media recruiters portraying a jihadi bride’s life as a heady mix of romance, adventure and piety.

Idiots.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

should be stripped of citizenship and banned from Nato affiliated countries

i imagine theyll be allowed back in, only so that officials can keep a closer eye on them

 

[Kerensky]

It's literally the first word in the OP. They're British citizens.

Oh i just read that dual citizenship is a thing in the UK, No way that this will bite them in the back i guess.

 

[MistakenMobius]

It's literally the first word in the OP. They're British citizens.

Couldn't they be considered of intelligence with the enemy and charge with treason.

 

[Rktk]

Sounds like everything is being done correctly.

Do love the group photo:

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Straight to jail. lose the key.

 

[cameron]

'Case by case' is obvious.

Some of these brides were groomed into it, but they're still complicit in atrocities.

 

[Izuna]

Both the wives and children will need heavy therapy, hopefully they get the help they need.

That's assuming they were held against their will, right?

 

[EmiPrime]

Unless someone can persuade me otherwise I have very little sympathy for the "jihadi brides". Chuck them in prison and put their children in care and grant them all the counselling they need after the trauma their idiot parents put them through.

 

[milanbaros]

Couldn't they be considered of intelligence with the enemy and charge with treason.

What does that have to do with allowing them back into the country? If anything they would want them to be tried here for any crimes they may have committed.

 

[Paz]

should be stripped of citizenship and banned from Nato affiliated countries

i imagine theyll be allowed back in, only so that officials can keep a closer eye on them

That sounds like a logical course of action, but wouldn't it only create more problems down the line?

If we're not going to kill everyone remotely associated with ISIS then there has to be some other solution that involves re-integration at some level, perhaps trying the adults for any crimes they may have committed/supported and separating the children out to receive therapy in the hopes of removing the obvious brain washing that would've occurred.

Though I have no idea if that's at all feasible, what to do with these women and children seems like a pretty complex problem to solve....

 

[Skellig Gra]

Unless someone can persuade me otherwise I have very little sympathy for the "jihadi brides". Chuck them in prison and put their children in care and grant them all the counselling they need after the trauma their idiot parents put them through.

There is the little matter of if they did anything illegal. Being married to a criminal does not make you a criminal. Horrible judgement? Sure.

 

[andythinkpad]

I assume they are citizen still. Don't really have a choice.

What do you mean they don't have a choice? UK can revoke their citizenship.

 

[Carl2291]

I can't wait to feed and house them with my taxes.

 

[Skellig Gra]

What do you mean they don't have a choice? UK can revoke their citizenship.

Without any proof of wrong doing? That might be a little tricky.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

That's assuming they were held against their will, right?

I'm pretty sure that [living with an insane Jihadist in Daesh] is similar to [sex] in that consent can be withdrawn partway through the act

 

[Chmpocalypse]

'Brittish'

BRITTISH

The paper can't even spell, lol, what garbage.

 

[ThatStupidLion]

That sounds like a logical course of action, but wouldn't it only create more problems down the line?

If we're not going to kill everyone remotely associated with ISIS then there has to be some other solution that involves re-integration at some level, perhaps trying the adults for any crimes they may have committed/supported and separating the children out to receive therapy in the hopes of removing the obvious brain washing that would've occurred.

Though I have no idea if that's at all feasible, what to do with these women and children seems like a pretty complex problem to solve....

definitely a very complex problem. damned if you do. damned if you dont.

the proactive approach would be to monitor them and all affiliates for life, while reintegrating them, but at the same time what they did was a criminal act and you would think they should be jailed, or have some consequences. theres no way around it. any ill will towards tehm will result in even more resentment and segregation, while being too lax on them opens up the security of the western world.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

The fuck did they expect?

kind of what one would ask Trump voters as well.

Apparently, people will believe weird things despite everyone telling them it's not real and it's going to be really bad. Live and learn!

 

[hipbabboom]

What do you mean they don't have a choice? UK can revoke their citizenship.

And then what? Look at it from another perspective: it's the UK's mess to clean up because it's there citizens. They were wherever else they went to illegally, committing criminal acts.

 

[Poltergust]

I don't get this "ISIS last stand" thing. As far as I know that group is nowhere close to getting eradicated anytime soon.

 

[Dilly]

Treat them the same way as Nazi collaborators. That's all they deserve.

 

[LegendofJoe]

'Brittish'

BRITTISH

The paper can't even spell, lol, what garbage.

It's just their way of saying that Brits are sexy. You can't spell British without tish.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

More than 50 British women are estimated to have headed to Iraq and Syria in recent years. Some went out with their husbands and even children, but others travelled alone after being attracted by Isil social media recruiters portraying a jihadi bride’s life as a heady mix of romance, adventure and piety.

I can't even began to fathom how can anyone find this lifestyle even remotely attractive.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Couldn't they be considered of intelligence with the enemy and charge with treason.

Even so they'd be let back in so they could charge them.

I don't get this "ISIS last stand" thing. As far as I know that group is nowhere close to getting eradicated anytime soon.

I imagine it's a fancy way to say those who have accepted a suicide bombing.

 

[Silexx]

I can't even began to fathom how can anyone find this lifestyle even remotely attractive.

I mean, are you assuming that the recruiters are being totally upfront and honest about the realities of joining their terrorist group?

 

[KonradLaw]

Both the wives and children will need heavy therapy, hopefully they get the help they need.

I think in a lot of those cases the children would benefit from being given up for adoption

 

[pa22word]

I assume they are citizen still. Don't really have a choice.

Don't the british revoke citizenship in some cases involving terrorism though?

 

[LegendofJoe]

I agree that there should be repercussions for their actions. They can't just be allowed to come back like nothing happened. They need to prove somehow that they actually want to be British citizens.

 

[Stinkles]

Don't the british revoke citizenship in some cases involving terrorism though?

IF they're foreign born or naturalized. But you can't really do that with a native born person.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Don't the british revoke citizenship in some cases involving terrorism though?

Maybe but who says the wife of a terrorist is herself a terrorist? The fact they are leaving leads one to believe they aren't actually criminals. Either that or working as double agents.

 

[MistakenMobius]

Yeah but who says the wife of a terrorist is herself a terrorist? The fact they are leaving leads one to believe they aren't actually criminals. Either that or working as double agents.

At the end of Nazi Germany, a lot of collaborators also ran away.

 

[Rktk]

Treat them the same way as Nazi collaborators. That's all they deserve.

So tell us what happened to the wives of Nazis... Western allies weren't into Sippenhaft, unlike the Nazis.

 

[Freeza Under The Shower]

I agree that there should be repercussions for their actions. They can't just be allowed to come back like nothing happened. They need to prove somehow that they actually want to be British citizens.

that's what they mean by 'case by case'. I get the feeling none of you understand that when the government has your number, so to speak, you're not getting off easy.
They are not 'just coming back', they'll have surveillance on them for life. They're just going one prison to another as far as their previous private lives went. That IS the price of their actions, and it's theirs to bear.

 

[slider]

Don't the british revoke citizenship in some cases involving terrorism though?

Yeah, they have done. I think, again, that's on a case by case basis.

Just spitballing... I don't think you can leave someone "stateless" and, when they're dual nationals you'd have to ensure that the other country would accept the individual being a mono-national and that the individual wouldn't be subject to treatment contravening the ECHR. And when it comes to the kids... it's trickier. It'd probably be illogical to leave the kids as Brits and revoke the parent (I think the ECHR grants people the right to a family life).

On instinct, if I've got the above right, I'd expect a lot of people to eyeroll hard.