Herbspiceguy
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New HTC vid up, addresses spoof e-mail, privacy laws and Skype chat.
New HTC vid up, addresses spoof e-mail, privacy laws and Skype chat.
I don't buy anyone saying it's a spoof.
The guy literally has been caught in lie after lie, scam after scam and - again - I'll make this point:
These assholes are too dumb to understand you don't do this kind of stupid shit, try to bribe or threaten people with A TEXT BASED DIGITAL FINGERPRINT like email or Skype - which seems to be a fucking calling card at this point.
Everything fits the M.O. These guys are idiots turn after turn.
It's actually baffling to witness :|
Tmartn claimed Skype convo was a breach of a "contract" - not a word of that being faked from HTC.Thing is, it's INCREDIBLY easy to fake an email like that. As evidence its value is zero. Zilch. Nada. It makes HTC seem kind of bad actually, at least when he doesn't seem to care. "I don't know if it's fake or not" isn't good enough, that's a very poor excuse and it's quite honestly a bad judgement to use it when you can't be sure it's legit.
Also disappointing to see HTC take the safe route and not publish the skype logs. There's absolutely no basis for tMartn to sue for anything.
3 is unlikely too. I mean come on.
Does this look like the face of a guy who would do something like that?
Thing is, it's INCREDIBLY easy to fake an email like that. As evidence its value is zero. Zilch. Nada. It makes HTC seem kind of bad actually, at least when he doesn't seem to care.
Also disappointing to see HTC take the safe route and not publish the skype logs. There's absolutely no basis for tMartn to sue for anything.
3 is unlikely too. I mean come on.
Does this look like the face of a guy who would do something like that?
Phil or whatever the fuck the clowns name is trying to chime in as if he's relevant.
HTC just said in his latest video that he's just holding off on posting the Skype chat until he gets some legal advice, not that he will not be posting it at all.Also disappointing to see HTC take the safe route and not publish the skype logs. There's absolutely no basis for tMartn to sue for anything.
It didn't sound like he was merely questioning the legality of HTC's logs for his own channel's relevance tbh (though why this wasn't questioned of others' videos idk). Fwiw he has the guy who set up the fundraiser for h3h3productions when they were sued by Bold Guy recently over fair use, contributed $5k to it, and with the awareness raising reached over $100k which h3h3 then placed in a separate fund to also help other Youtubers.
HTC mentioned he'll be posting the email header in the next video.
I would hope that the people enjoying HtC's videos haven't lost the ability to think critically on their own, even when it comes to information put out there by HtC.
I don't recall anyone saying it's 100% undeniably legit. Even I said it may not be.Well, if we can trace that data back to tmartn, then I have no problem agreeing that it truly was from him. I hope we can prove that he is scummy enough to offer hush money.
But people aren't doubting HtC because they're not on his side. He's doing great work, but a lot of that work was built on his own critical thinking, sifting through thrid party information along with the BS tmartn was trying to feed him and constructing a narrative by removing things that didn't make sense. I would hope that the people enjoying HtC's videos haven't lost the ability to think critically on their own, even when it comes to information put out there by HtC.
So that's why I worry about the validity of that email. When you read it, it just doesn't make sense.
1) we keep saying here that tmartn is a simple minded scammer who loves to just put everything out there on Skype without worrying about his digital fingerprints. So why did he include a vague, convoluted plan to accept a bribe by posting a video and tweet instead of a simple and private agreement response? If he has no problem clearly communicating a bribe via email, he shouldn't care about getting the acceptance via email. In fact, that could make a clear and possibly binding agreement, rather than a set of vague videos and tweets.
2) furthermore, why didn't he want him to respond at all via email? This was the immediate red flag when I first read the email. If an email is faked then of course you don't want the receiver to respond to the person's real email address because if he does then the scam just ends there, the real tmartn will respond from his real account with "$1,000??? WTF are you talking about??" So the troll wants what trolls want people to do- which is to make some sort of stupid or humiliating public statement (in a video or tweet).
3) also, do you mean to tell me that this one email is the only mention of the bribe ever?? So HtC never responded with "fuck off, I don't take bribes" and neither did he ever ask tmartn about it in their Skype conversations?? And on the other side, Tmartn never asked him his thoughts on taking payment after apparently getting no response at all? So it was just this one email very early on and it never came up in their conversations ever again? To me that is more proof the email is from a troll that just wanted to see if HtC would take the bait.
4) the threat of getting his channel deleted with the help of his friends "high up in YouTube" is definitely a lie, but it's such an obvious cheap scare tactic to appear all-powerful that it doesn't help the argument that the email is legit. It's the obvious scare tactic you would employ if you were impersonating a multi-million sub youtuber.
5) and lastly, I know some of you have said that it's improbable that a bribe would have been offered this early on when the video had such low views, but that's the same day tmartn uploaded his panicked rebuttal rant. And there is another possibility that this email isn't even from someone who's a tmartn fan, but from someone who just hates HtC.
Not sure if already posted but the child gambling aspect is making political waves in Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/ga...mething-worse-came-along-20160728-gqfp5x.html
depending on how it's defined it's either rip valve in Australia or banning one of f2p's cornerstone monetization usagesNot sure if already posted but the child gambling aspect is making political waves in Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/ga...mething-worse-came-along-20160728-gqfp5x.html
depending on how it's defined it's either rip valve in Australia or banning one of f2p's cornerstone monetization usages
Why would HTC fake an email? I'm more likely to believe HTC over Tmartn given the evidence he's produced so far. HTC is also in contact with the video game lawyer.
Yeah, I call BS on that email. Dude just wants to keep the controversy going because he has never been paid that much attention before.
can you like, not assume I'm sucking corporate dick? I think such practices can go to hell but there's not enough me in the world.Thankfully all of this exploding is probably going to accelerate regulation and you only do yourself a disservice coming out of this feeling upset or bad for your favourite million/billionaire gaming companies finding it oh so rough that they can't continue as is. Like it or not Valve need this kick up the arse, as do Blizzard and many others. They are not your best friend and I can assure you will survive off their riches and continued riches just fine even if they have to behave differently in the coming years.
Tmartn, is that you? This is the exact kind of shit that dick is retweeting.
You really think he would fake an email and put it in his YouTube video over Tmartn sending it or somebody spoofing the email?
can you like, not assume I'm sucking corporate dick? I think such practices can go to hell but there's not enough me in the world.
Yes, I am Tmartn because I posted an opinion you're apparently unable to wrap your head around.
Right. You're accusing HTC of faking an email because he wants attention, and you actually think that is more likely than the other options. Think I can wrap my head around that just fine.
Or at the very least microtransactions can only be used to buy something you know you are getting. Lock boxes and things alike can only be used in-game and must be able to be opened only via something else you earn in-game.
In other words the way it should be. Charging for a key for a RNG chance at something is a disgusting practice we should be weeding out of gaming.
Congrats, you successfully baited me with your shit posting personal attacks. No longer gonna happen.
Well I haven't "baited" you and my posts to you certainly weren't "shit posting personal attacks". Unless you are Tmartn who I referred to as a dick, I have done neither of those things.
You said Honor the Call created and faked an email for attention over other options such as the email being spoofed or Tmartn sending it. I was asking why you think this is the case. You still haven't followed up about this, but instead chose to condescendingly suggest that I am "unable to wrap [my] head around" your opinion.
If you want to accuse HtC of faking emails for attention then fair enough, but don't get defensive when someone asks why you believe this to be more likely than the other options.
"hey, are you that scumbag pretending to be someone completely objective?"
"I was just trying to start a conversation"
Lol no, you don't get to personally attack someone and then pretend you're being a reasonable person asking for an explanation. You don't get to act like that and in the future I will try to not respond to people who act like you. It's not funny nor is it clever and it's insulting. So long.
You really think he would fake an email and put it in his YouTube video over Tmartn sending it or somebody spoofing the email?
I don't see a problem with it. This type of business model has existed for a very long time in many other fields. Maybe we should ban card games like Magic as well, while we're at it? Because it's the exact same thing: you're paying for randomized goods.
The only problem and difference that exists here is the gambling aspect, and how ridiculously easy it has been enabled by Steam providing third parties methods of fetching and transferring those assets.
Just saw a video of Syndicate recording himself crying as a PR stunt. Whats worse is people gobble that shit up like candy.
Was that him reacting to the kid who lost his battle with cancer? Because despite being famous, people do still have feelings.Just saw a video of Syndicate recording himself crying as a PR stunt. Whats worse is people gobble that shit up like candy.
I was skeptical but then I saw the cute dog. How could I doubt a guy like that?
Was that him reacting to the kid who lost his battle with cancer? Because despite being famous, people do still have feelings.
Does this look like the face of a guy who would do something like that?
I finally watched all the videos about this. amazing research.
Oh wow."hey, are you that scumbag pretending to be someone completely objective?"
"I was just trying to start a conversation"
Lol no, you don't get to personally attack someone and then pretend you're being a reasonable person asking for an explanation. You don't get to act like that and in the future I will try to not respond to people who act like you. It's not funny nor is it clever and it's insulting. So long.
Oh wow.
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Also, HtC says there are threats made via Skype as well. I doubt that he would be dumb enough to purposefully fake any evidence now that lawyers and such are involved, just for YouTube views. It's wholly irrational and a weak argument. Claiming that the e-mail may be spoofed is a stronger argument to make.
Hope HtC is able to post the Skype logs eventually so we can see into this for ourselves.
EDIT: Looks like he did!
Oh wow.
neogaf.gif
Also, HtC says there are threats made via Skype as well. I doubt that he would be dumb enough to purposefully fake any evidence now that lawyers and such are involved, just for YouTube views. It's wholly irrational and a weak argument. Claiming that the e-mail may be spoofed is a stronger argument to make.
Hope HtC is able to post the Skype logs eventually so we can see into this for ourselves.
EDIT: Looks like he did!
Oh wow.
neogaf.gif
Also, HtC says there are threats made via Skype as well. I doubt that he would be dumb enough to purposefully fake any evidence now that lawyers and such are involved, just for YouTube views. It's wholly irrational and a weak argument. Claiming that the e-mail may be spoofed is a stronger argument to make.
Hope HtC is able to post the Skype logs eventually so we can see into this for ourselves.
EDIT: Looks like he did!