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Lawbreakers dev: PC/console cross-platform play is dumb
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RedAssedApe
Banned
it was already announced for ps4 today...which is probably what prompted the question
Barrel Cannon
Member
Man gaf just loves to hate on cliffy. We all know his actual position on it. It sucks that one tweet is all it'll take for a bunch of people to hate on him without thinking about how his statement is fully true. It's a dumb move to make it crossplay. It just doesn't work with fps games. You either have to artificially neuter the feel of the mouse or give the controller players way more assists(halo 2 vista players will know how horrible that was). They clearly won't give console players a stupid advantage like that to balance it.
Ps4 players using a standard controller or ! shit chronusmax mouse/keyboard adapter will get destroyed the majority of the time by any mediocre pc fps player. That and we all expect the pc version to support much better response times as well.
Edit:happy to see most gaffers in this thread have some common sense. Arstechnia can keep posting these click bait articles
Ps4 players using a standard controller or ! shit chronusmax mouse/keyboard adapter will get destroyed the majority of the time by any mediocre pc fps player. That and we all expect the pc version to support much better response times as well.
Edit:happy to see most gaffers in this thread have some common sense. Arstechnia can keep posting these click bait articles
truestatic
Member
Couldn't it work if you had match making? And then just throw in independent divisions at the top of the competitive ladder for each platform? Then regardless of whether you get your advantage through skill or platform, you're facing up against a suitable opponent.
Ploid 3.0
Member
He did it with Unreal 3. You could choose to play with PC people or only stick to PS3 players. Paragon doesn't have that option, but only console players can see who's a PC or PS3 gamer. PC players can't tell, I guess so they can't use that info to their advantage in the draft and during gameplay. "Target the PS4 ranged character! He will likely miss you if you juke a lot." Though this could work against PC users if the PS4 player is using a mouse/kb.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Jesus christ. Trust me, you don't want to play this game with a PC player versus your controller. This game is Unreal Tournament 2k4 on meth.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Or just matchmake people by control choice instead of by platform. It shouldn't be that hard to disable mouse and keyboard controls in the server settings.just add native m&kb support on the ps4, buddy
KiefbladeMaster
Member
Think it's disingenuous to compare Gear's crossplay to a first-person shooter that requires a lot more precision. His response makes sense imo.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
He's not wrong for a competitive FPS.
This is fine if you can protect against client-side exploits to make sure KB+M users can't trick the game into thinking they're using controllers. BLOPS3 and Titanfall had this issue and people were able to get aim assist working while using a mouse.
But really, seems like it's too much of a resource cost (cross-play+multiple matchmaking queues) just to serve an extremely small base of controller-using PC players.
Or just gyro support.just add native m&kb support on the ps4, buddy
That solves the issue with the ones with a kb/m, but everyone else gets screwed.just add native m&kb support on the ps4, buddy
Cliffy is right on this occasion.
https://youtu.be/DF5hqdc510g
ehhhh, he's not wrong
Zomba13
Member
So I assume the PC version has no controller support right? Because it'd be stupid if it does given this reasoning.
The best thing would be to let players on consoles use m+kb and just match pads with pads and m+kb with m+kb across all platforms. Then everyone is happy and everyone can play together if they like.
The best thing would be to let players on consoles use m+kb and just match pads with pads and m+kb with m+kb across all platforms. Then everyone is happy and everyone can play together if they like.
There are some reasons it could be undesirable for a particular game or mode. I think Lawbreakers is a decent example of a game where it would be detrimental to implement, being a case where the different versions of the game will probably need to be balanced separately due to differences in the most popular input method.
Phrozenflame500
Member
This sounds like a large amount of work that will benefit a very small minority of players while opening up (or at the very least making more accessible) a brand new avenue of cheating.
Stripper13
Member
KB&M players are responsible for some of my biggest frustrations in Overwatch on PS4. It's just not fun getting slammed by a Widow/Soldier with pinpoint aim repeatedly.
So yeah, I'm against cross-play and if there was a way to completely disable KB&M use I'd be all for that too.
So yeah, I'm against cross-play and if there was a way to completely disable KB&M use I'd be all for that too.
Not a cross play issue, look at Killer Instinct. So it's actually a life saver for the game since the install base on both platforms is way smaller than expected.
Is... there a CliffyB meme/injoke I'm missing?Your game is dumb, buddy
If you can't beat them join them..
Or don't and just complain
Lot of people on gaf hate him.. He's a developer with opinions and says them a lot. Which typically never goes well with many gamers.
Should be obvious. He's not saying anything wrong. It seems insanely hard to balance a FPS for cross play with PC, even more so if the game is twitchy and just playing with a mouse is an advantage.
It's funny because in the thread about it coming to PS4, I was happy to see Cliff and the game get some love because both usually catch flak.
The gameplay videos for this game look dope. gonna give it a try when it releases.
GAF made threads off his tweets because he tweets a lot, I think he got annoyed and talked bad about GAF and how devs either don't like the site or laugh at the posts, and people here got upset.
Then more "insiders" started avoiding this place. Then you had the Rime dev talk bad about the site. Etc.
The one time I've seen an overwhelmingly positive thread about the game was when people were using in console war shit and once that thread died, most posts went right back to hating him/the game.
So I'm sure his opinion of this site didn't change. Especially after some of these comments attacking him and the game like he said something wrong. It's embarrassing.
This, this!just add native m&kb support on the ps4, buddy
Spoofing, cloning, or hijacking isn't tricking hence why such protection is useless against devices.
The reason the aim assists works is because they are emulating a pad.
Quality post; how is shit like this the norm nowadays on gaming side?Your game is dumb, buddy
On topic: anybody that has played Lawvreakers or has seen ganeplay should agree that crossplay would make no sense, the game is way too fast for a controller player to challenge a m+kb player.
tearsintherain
Member
What about cross-buy and a shared server database for character data, bought DLC, etc?
Reallink
Member
PC players would just hack their way around checks or spoof a controller and slaughter everyone for the lulz.
I was gonna say because it's super niche, but it should be built it as an option systemwide regardless. I never played UT3 with it on PS3 and idk if I played with anybody that did use it, but it was still cool. That plus mods.
Its 2017. Open up.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
LawBreakers has fast gameplay so this makes sense. Playing with a DS4 would be...interesting.
I can't speak to any sea change on GAF, but I personally always found the whole idea to be laughable and Cliff to be obnoxious, so this is just the par for the course, really.
titiklabingapat
Member
The only reason it's 'niche' is because Sony and MS decided not to support it out of the box. PC games have suffered as a result. No matter how much a developer wants to tell you that A and B game was developed for PC first, control mapping for game pads are still in their mind when developing said game, save for a few.
yanipheonu
Member
KonradLaw
Member
He's right. Balancing the game in such way that PS4 users would be able to not get wiped out would make PC version utter crap.
Some people say they might have added mouse/KB support for PS4, but this means you would have two completely differtent versions of the game on PS4 to support with patches and balance tweaks. It just doesn't seem worth the effort for the few who would play it in such set up.
Some people say they might have added mouse/KB support for PS4, but this means you would have two completely differtent versions of the game on PS4 to support with patches and balance tweaks. It just doesn't seem worth the effort for the few who would play it in such set up.
The big thing is in order for a game to get published on PS4 I'm fairly certain it has to support the Dualshock 4, but you could build in a setting that shuts off aim assist when it detects a keyboard. PS4 supports KB+M on the OS level and there's a few games that offer it as an option. I'll also add that cross platform play requires simultaneously updating each platform. It's not super easy for a small team to do. O and buying a keyboard and mouse is cheaper than buying a PC capable of playing the game when you have a perfectly capable PS4.
miller.skippins
Banned
just imagine quake champions on console and feature crossplay...
console players will not last a single second on the map.
console players will not last a single second on the map.