I just have a simple question; if I don't like Toriyama's work, why should I be thankful that he continues to make games?
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Lightning Returns trailer
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I just have a simple question; if I don't like Toriyama's work, why should I be thankful that he continues to make games?
Meccanical
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Luuk is a joke poster.
We are all getting trolled.
We are all getting trolled.
PairOfFilthySocks
Member
Trailer is so bad it's comical.
Toriyama must have photos of Wada getting into some BDSM shit or something, that's the only explanation I've got for this shit.
Toriyama must have photos of Wada getting into some BDSM shit or something, that's the only explanation I've got for this shit.
FalsettoVibe
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I hope SquareEnix dies and all of its IPs are bought off by Mistwalker.
They don't need to die... they just need to start making quality products that appeal to more than just a niche crowd.
really now? I don't like what Wada is doing and how they turned Final Fantasy brand into an unpopular mess but come on this is just horrible.
Maybe they kind of feel secure that Eidos will sell in the west for them and SE Japan products will sell in Japan, so they don't feel the urgent need for wider appeal.
Femmeworth
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Nah, they just need to appeal to a better niche.
FalsettoVibe
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So far that hasn't been working out very well.
well Eidos don't really have games that sell well,this year Sleeping Dogs bombed and I doubt Hitman will do any good,even Tomb Raider is not a big seller and that why SE is trying to turn TR into Corftcharted.
Maybe, but FF used to have much wider appeal than it has this generation. They squandered everything built up from the PS1 and PS2 era.
By niche crowd I assume you mean Lightning lovers.
I don't think the XIII stuff is popular in Japan either. XIII-2 had a huge sales drop from XIII, and from what I understand their reaction to LR is about the same as ours.
The market has also changed, so it's not entirely on their shoulders. The chief problem is how they're approaching this market, and Toriyama is certainly not insightful or creative enough to make games that expand SE's audience rather than shrink it.
sublimit
Banned
You forgot (i hope) the SP in your sentence so i fixed it for you.
Yes, I would consider them a niche group.
Meccanical
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It was popular enough I guess, it turned a profit.
But this Lightning only game their trying to put out now is not gonna be that successful, then again I think they know that, and are just trying to get max profit with little investment.
Yeah they're definitely profitable...I was more talking about fan reaction. The FF fanbase in Japan is similarly disillusioned with the XIII/Lightning stuff (from what I've read).
I think it's a bad idea to damage the brand with these games despite short term profit.
Meccanical
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Hey at least this is the last one.
Then we can move on and the whole saga will be quickly forgotten.
lol yup...the end is finally in sight!
Hopefully Square blows us all away with XV and we'll look back on this and laugh
Do you really believe that.
CielTynave
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That would be worse than giving Toriyama full creative control of every franchise in existence.
True, and it seems that Toriyama's response is to simply copy ideas from popular western franchises instead because he can't figure out what else to do so he resorts to cliches instead.
There's a few reasons. One, XIII-2 and LR have a shorter development cycle. Two, FFXIII was developed for PS3 first and used a lot of its strengths as a result. XIII-2 and LR are being developed simultaneously for two platforms. Three, Crystal Tools just isn't good at memory management or something, which is why with XIII-2 and its bigger environments you saw a lot more slowdown and flatter textures.
Meccanical
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Yes, look at how cheap this game looks.
As soon as FFXIV is out and they can finally spare people to make other games, the Lightning "saga" is over.
FalsettoVibe
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I can see it now........Introducing Final Fantasy XV, previously known as Final Fantasy Versus XIII. I wonder would everyone be upset.
That's what people thought about XIII, and then XIII-2 and look at where that got us.
Femmeworth
Banned
In his defense, I doubt he was given a whole lot of pre-production time for this. Three games in a row must be taking its tole.
As far an Main characters in XIII-2 goes, it is mostly conversations between Serah and Noel, and then some from Hope and Alyssa too. Noel was quite well regarded it seemed. Alyssa is kind of blah.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
GILGAMESH only game would be more exciting.
I just want Bravely Default, Versus, and the Type series, and of course more GILGAMESH, especially in XIV for a new rendition of his battle theme.
I don't want Square to die. I just want Squaresoft quality to return and only Type 0 and BDFF give me that feel. I fear Squaresoft died a long time ago and they were a one time thing.
I don't really like the KH series but at least that series is consistent in what it wants to be.
XIII series does not know what kind of game it wants to be with each installment. It probably would have been received better if it wasn't a ripoff of DDS and was it's own IP not relying on the FF name.
XIII should have ended at XIII, I felt it defined it's world and it's sequel's just flip it's world on it's head and breaks it's own previous rules it had set in stone.
Magius sad.
I just want Bravely Default, Versus, and the Type series, and of course more GILGAMESH, especially in XIV for a new rendition of his battle theme.
I have over 136 different renditions. Fanmade and official arrangements! Woo!
I don't want Square to die. I just want Squaresoft quality to return and only Type 0 and BDFF give me that feel. I fear Squaresoft died a long time ago and they were a one time thing.
I don't really like the KH series but at least that series is consistent in what it wants to be.
XIII series does not know what kind of game it wants to be with each installment. It probably would have been received better if it wasn't a ripoff of DDS and was it's own IP not relying on the FF name.
XIII should have ended at XIII, I felt it defined it's world and it's sequel's just flip it's world on it's head and breaks it's own previous rules it had set in stone.
Magius sad.
Meccanical
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Nobody could have ever expected Toriyama to retcon XIII's ending just to force a sequel...also nobody could have predicted Toriyama lying and ending XIII-2 on a cliff hanger.
I want to believe that they have SOME integrity and mean what they say this time...
Third times the charm right?
R-Right?
Yeah I have no idea how everyone would react...would certainly make for another interesting thread!
Wait. Who are you again to call me a joke? As if things weren't already personal enough, you need to come here and be as ofensive as ever... Why am I even surprised?
It's not going to be truly over until either Toriyama is content (which if LR doesn't perform up to whatever standards he may have, that's a negative) or until SE bigwigs affirmatively step in (which... I thought would happen after XIII-2, but...).
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Is this a joke? I kid.
They said Lightning's final journey. Not final adventure. MWA HA HA
If you read some of your posts and see how you've been behaving in this thread, you shouldn't even be surprised by some of the responses you're going to get. Don't act surprised.
1st Course
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Eidos games sells well (1-3 millions) but they don't sells gangbusters by any means, DQ 9 sold in Japan alone more than any Eidos game ever did this gen WW.
I neither said a developer just works to satisfy his sex fantasies nor personally called someone a troll/joker in this thread, so I have all the rights to be surprised if someone acts like that.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
As do others also have the right to be surprised at some of your retorts. It's a two-way street. All there is to it buddy.
We can only hope, young one. We can only hope.
Corleth the Fey
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Half the scenes in the original were pre rendered high quality video streaming off of the blu ray. They just used in game assets. Come FFXIII-2, they dropped the FMV for real time. Voila!
If you really have no idea then honestly you're going to keep getting jabbed at by posters. If I were you I would at least attempt to find out why I'm giving away free ammo.
Because to defend a game/character with inoffensive arguments is totally on the same level as what I pointed out, right?
Meccanical
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Guys, he's tricking you again.
That Luuk man, he's dedicated, keep at it man.
That Luuk man, he's dedicated, keep at it man.
What you're doing is worse, honestly. You should just be happy about a game you're excited about!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
But you offend others when you defend something that genuinely looks bad.
You can look at something one way and someone else can look at it another way.
It's how opinions work.
Luuk rhymes with puke for a reason
It really isn't.
Oh, I totally am.
These are two totally different kinds of offenses...
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