Beam said:Naruto & one piece
That´s one of my pet peeve of one piece. The crew is never shown to train (except for Zorro lifting some weight) yet they pull moves out of their ass. I don´t need to see them train, but i would like to see how they came up with the idea to get the move or any kind of explanation really.
Their moves are usually explained either direct (Gear 2nd) or sublimably being built up in the background (like when Ussop built Nami's Clima tact, the islands all the crew got blown on etc), just take the latest chapter for example, and how Sanji's Super Saiyan was explained in a nice short sweet and hilarious way, same with the air walk.
Mirror it onto Sasuske who literally pulled a hawk out of his ass. (I'm not letting this one go damnit. >_< )
All true, but a lot of these kind of training was because Naruto learned how to control the fox´chakra. He learned Rasenshuriken because he had so many clones. He had so many clones because he used his fox chakra. Without using the fox chakra which, Jiraiya taught him, he would not have mastered it so fast. Same with his sage training. He needed to learn how to use natural chakra. If Jiraiya did not teach him how to control his chakra, Naruto would not have learned how to use sage mode. The Jiraiya trainig came in very useful when Naruto was trying to learn Kyuubi mode. So while you say he did not learn much, i would say, teaching Naruto the basics, allowed Naruto to learn all these S class techniques.
That's all well and good, but Naruto's progress was doing well until the timeskip, if we use Sasuske as the barometer, the timeskip gimped Naruto.