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Obviously those films took it too far. Nolan has almost taken it to the opposite extreme, though.Last time Batman "reveled in it's silliness", the franchise died for 8 years.
Obviously those films took it too far. Nolan has almost taken it to the opposite extreme, though.Last time Batman "reveled in it's silliness", the franchise died for 8 years.
Hey don't get in the way of my entertainment. I'm reading someone claim that TDK and Bourne Ultimatum are the best ACTION films in the last decade! This is comedy gold.
It won the oscar due to Health's untimely demise. Tragic but the movie was nowhere as good as people claim. The emotional factor of his death made the movie appear better than it was. Reason why people have done a 360 a couple years later, the shock has wore off.
NOTE: Heath did an AMAZING job. But TDK was overrated due to his death.
EDIT: Uhhhh.... the death of a character who was shown to believe in the concept of heroes and the display of the trading cards had nothing to do with them uniting? Riiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt. And pay attention to the dialogue, Natasha mentioned Clint all the time and the reason he came was due to he could pilot the jet and Cap saw his ability and took over. Cap was the veteran on the team during wartime eras. Thor may have fought plenty but he isn't exactly shown as being a tactician though.
You gave a fuck about Batman triumphing over Ras who wanted to burn down Gothamn in Begins but didn't feel compelled at all with the stakes in Avengers? Considering the whole planet was going to be invaded by an alien race, I don't even follow the logic there at all. Even if you compare it to just Gotham vs NYC, one of those is a completely fictional cesspool of corruption and the other is a genuine, real city. Not to mention you're missing the whole point of Avengers which was all these characters coming together to form a team that was capable of overcoming obstacles and threats that none of them could handle alone.
Worst post in this thread, by far.
This is not executed at all. The only reason they decided to play well was because of the death of that Agent guy who nobody cared about before but now suddenly the audience is supposed to care because he had bloody training cards.
Before his death, everyone was raging and separated, after his death suddenly Cap America is the leader without his thoughts on the matter, nobody asks what happened with the bow and arrow guy and who he is he just enters the group without a problem, no reason why Banner comes back he just does perhaps he wanted to apologize for hulking out earlier who knows, Stark is cool he does good things because he's good, Scarlett is a paid mercenary/spy by the government so as far as she's concerned she's risking her life for a paycheck and continued future paychecks, Thor probably just wants to beat up his brother.
There is no common thread in any of that. There's nothing there that unifies them except the destruction of the world (which is obviously a big motivator, but that's not the big emotional 'learning' process you're implying). It's all a bunch of random people that come together for no reason at all other than so the audience can see them all together. And once they're done showing off their skills they go their separate ways again.
Deadline is reporting a confirmed $185+M. The record is secure, folks.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/ave...sunday-with-u-s-canada-russia-china-openings/
Like I posted a few pages back, the person who's got a better record than Nikki says its 70M or more.
So are we not counting the movies that lead up to this? I thought that was the whole point.This is not executed at all. The only reason they decided to play well was because of the death of that Agent guy who nobody cared about before but now suddenly the audience is supposed to care because he had bloody training cards.
Before his death, everyone was raging and separated, after his death suddenly Cap America is the leader without his thoughts on the matter, nobody asks what happened with the bow and arrow guy and who he is he just enters the group without a problem, no reason why Banner comes back he just does perhaps he wanted to apologize for hulking out earlier who knows, Stark is cool he does good things because he's good, Scarlett is a paid mercenary/spy by the government so as far as she's concerned she's risking her life for a paycheck and continued future paychecks, Thor probably just wants to beat up his brother.
There is no common thread in any of that. There's nothing there that unifies them except the destruction of the world (which is obviously a big motivator, but that's not the big emotional 'learning' process you're implying). It's all a bunch of random people that come together for no reason at all other than so the audience can see them all together. And once they're done showing off their skills they go their separate ways again.
Next Hulk should be a horror film, in which Hulk is the monster chasing the protag and then gets his shit together to save them in the endCan we get back to talking about how this was a better Hulk movies than the other 2 combined? That scene with Black Widow cowering in the corner, hoping he doesn't find her, just makes it
It's going to Hulk smash it, bro.Is this gonna crack a billion?
It's not about "glossy action" but comprehensible action. Casino Royale is what I would consider one of the better action films in the decade in terms of actual -action- scenes. The staging is important, the cinematography is important. You need to be able to SEE the action and appreciate the choreography. If the camera is zoomed in all the time and shakes everywhere, and it's IN YOUR FACE or whatever, that's not gritty action, it's just shit action. No one can see anything, no one cares. See: Quantum of Solace's opening scene. Pile of dogshit.
And that's a big underprojection. $68m will mean, like, exactly $200m, and I'm pretty certain it'll go higher.Deadline is reporting a confirmed $185+M. The record is secure, folks.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/ave...sunday-with-u-s-canada-russia-china-openings/
Honestly, I'm not really interesting in defending against the arguments that the stakes were shit in Avengers because I agree they were. They did a poor job of making the threat feel real, but it seemed like they didn't really care by then. The threat wasn't the alien army but rather what would happen if no one bothered to stop them. We basically KNOW the Avengers can stop them, because they're cannon fodder shit. They look like it, they act like it, and the show never convinces us otherwise. That was one area the movie could really have improved on.
Can we get back to talking about how this was a better Hulk movies than the other 2 combined? That scene with Black Widow cowering in the corner, hoping he doesn't find her, just makes it
Like I said in my last post (well next to last), Nikki sucks at Weekend multipliers.
68M would be a bigger Friday (without midnights) to Saturday increase than normal for Marvel movies, so a 185M weekend prediction is laughable.
Fri - 80.5M
Sat - 68M
Sun - 48M (30% drop)
Total = 196.5M
With a 68M Saturday, 195M for the weekend is the low end estimate. 200M is definitely a possibility. The film would need a 24% drop on Sunday, which is light but not unheard of.
You think this seizure inducing shit is worthy of praise?I see. We have nothing to discuss then. You lot actually like what I hate. This discussion is completely futile. Once people started favourably comparing Batman Begins' action to TDK's I understood I was just in the wrong place. It's funny seeing things from this side, though. It's like a mirrored image.
Just to make this clear... I don't really think TDK's action is ALL THAT GOOD, but I do firmly agree with Ultimatum's standing within the serious movie industry. In your opinion, Casino Royale action > Bourne Ultimatum action?
It's not even a contest. I'm having trouble recalling one memorable set piece in Ultimatum.In your opinion, Casino Royale action > Bourne Ultimatum action?
I see. We have nothing to discuss then. You lot actually like what I hate. This discussion is completely futile. Once people started favourably comparing Batman Begins' action to TDK's I understood I was just in the wrong place. It's funny seeing things from this side, though. It's like a mirrored image.
Just to make this clear... I don't really think TDK's action is ALL THAT GOOD, but I do firmly agree with Ultimatum's standing within the serious movie industry. In your opinion, Casino Royale action > Bourne Ultimatum action?
As opposed to the other sort of movie industry? What?but I do firmly agree with Ultimatum's standing within the serious movie industry.
Because, like it or not, warranted or not, that's the current standard to compare any comic book movie to at this moment in time.Also, why the fuck is TDK being the go-to movie to compare this to?
The Sat # will go up, and it's gonna drop 25% or less on Sunday with the WOM working out the way it is.
Also, why the fuck is TDK being the go-to movie to compare this to? I swear, every fucking comic book movie thread you have people who love TDK comparing said movie to it, and people that feel TDK needs to be knocked down comparing said movie to it.
The Avengers is Michael Bay's Transformers done right. A big dumb action movie with funny comedy, and is actually good. This is the movie that makes people who defend Transformers 2 and 3 with "just turn your brain off, it's not for critics, etc etc" look like the fools they are.
Whedon had Bay's budget and Bay's ILM, and made him look like a fool.
My biggest complaint with the film is how the revelation that Shield had been studying the Tesseract to create Phase 2 weaponry became some big deal-breaker. It made no sense. Of course humanity would want to reverse-engineer alien technology in order to eventually equal Asgardian/other alien military might. No one should have been upset about that.
Also, why the fuck is TDK being the go-to movie to compare this to? I swear, every fucking comic book movie thread you have people who love TDK comparing said movie to it, and people that feel TDK needs to be knocked down comparing said movie to it.
The Avengers is Michael Bay's Transformers done right. A big dumb action movie with funny comedy, and is actually good. This is the movie that makes people who defend Transformers 2 and 3 with "just turn your brain off, it's not for critics, etc etc" look like the fools they are.
Whedon had Bay's budget and Bay's ILM, and made him look like a fool.
I think the way they played the scene was a bit artificial, but Captain America actually had legit reasons to be pissed. For him, it was more personal.What he found was not just Tesseract enhanced weapons, but old Hydra tech that SHIELD was replicating. The same tech he was sent to destroy in WW2.
I would not be surprised at just a 20% drop on Sunday; it's Saturday decrease will end up less than Spider-Man 3 despite more nearly double the midnights, and that had a 22% Sunday decline.Agreed. Even with 68M for Saturday, that is a 10% increase over Friday numbers without midnights. Clearly the movie has not burnt through its demand yet.
I think Batman Begins is better but it's not hard to see why TDK is the go-to one. It's the biggest grossing, it's the most 'epic' with the biggest set pieces, it has the most well known and arguably best villain in comic history, great imagery and imax camera stuff, it's able to juggle multiple big time characters and make audiences care what happens etc.
It was the superhero film that made people sort of gasp at the end of it and give you goosebumps. It was a large scale experience and when Batman rides that motorcycle up at the end everyone starts clapping. If you went to TDK at opening in an IMAX theater especially in a city it was a real event. Every comic book movie is going to be compared to it.
Except for Cap who spent his military life taking down Hydra for doing the exact same thing. I'd have been more upset if he would have been all "Yeah, I'm cool with it." since THAT wouldn't have made any sense at all.My biggest complaint with the film is how the revelation that Shield had been studying the Tesseract to create Phase 2 weaponry became some big deal-breaker. It made no sense. Of course humanity would want to reverse-engineer alien technology in order to eventually equal Asgardian/other alien military might. No one should have been upset about that.
Just because TDK is the most highly regarded, critically acclaimed superhero movie and still the #1 at the box-office.Also, why the fuck is TDK being the go-to movie to compare this to? I swear, every fucking comic book movie thread you have people who love TDK comparing said movie to it, and people that feel TDK needs to be knocked down comparing said movie to it.
The Avengers is Michael Bay's Transformers done right. A big dumb action movie with funny comedy, and is actually good. This is the movie that makes people who defend Transformers 2 and 3 with "just turn your brain off, it's not for critics, etc etc" look like the fools they are.
Whedon had Bay's budget and Bay's ILM, and made him look like a fool.
Makes sense for Stark, considering the whole "getting out of the weapons business" thing that he went through, for Cap since that's what he was fighting against in WW2 with Hydra, and Thor just wanted it back.My biggest complaint with the film is how the revelation that Shield had been studying the Tesseract to create Phase 2 weaponry became some big deal-breaker. It made no sense. Of course humanity would want to reverse-engineer alien technology in order to eventually equal Asgardian/other alien military might. No one should have been upset about that.
And then you got the preachy Gordon poetry moment where I went Picard: WTF is this Shit?
There's nothing to discuss because you've yet to actually talk about anything besides "the world's most respected authority." Not to mention the patronizing attitude.I see. We have nothing to discuss then. You lot actually like what I hate. This discussion is completely futile. Once people started favourably comparing Batman Begins' action to TDK's I understood I was just in the wrong place. It's funny seeing things from this side, though. It's like a mirrored image.
Except for Cap who spent his military life taking down Hydra for doing the exact same thing. I'd have been more upset if he would have been all "Yeah, I'm cool with it." since THAT wouldn't have made any sense at all.
Or Thor who spends a good portion of some scenes trying to tell them all that they have no business trying to control a power like the Tesseract and that it belongs in Asgard.
Nor would a pacifist/scientist like Banner blink his eyes at the military developing an aliens weapon program either.
I don't know. That felt pretty well explained in the movie to me.
I said I wanted Batman to triumph over Ras. It was a personal struggle between him and Ras. I don't care about the people of Gotham. I don't care if Ras manages to unload the toxin. I care about Ras losing to Batman in that moment on the train. And there's a dynamic there because of the training they did together and the competing psychological ideologies. There is none of that feeling in Avengers.
And my response to the 'coming together' part.
This is not executed at all. The only reason they decided to play well was because of the death of that Agent guy who nobody cared about before but now suddenly the audience is supposed to care because he had bloody training cards.
Before his death, everyone was raging and separated, after his death suddenly Cap America is the leader without his thoughts on the matter, nobody asks what happened with the bow and arrow guy and who he is he just enters the group without a problem, no reason why Banner comes back he just does perhaps he wanted to apologize for hulking out earlier who knows, Stark is cool he does good things because he's good, Scarlett is a paid mercenary/spy by the government so as far as she's concerned she's risking her life for a paycheck and continued future paychecks, Thor probably just wants to beat up his brother.
There is no common thread in any of that. There's nothing there that unifies them except the destruction of the world (which is obviously a big motivator, but that's not the big emotional 'learning' process you're implying). It's all a bunch of random people that come together for no reason at all other than so the audience can see them all together. And once they're done showing off their skills they go their separate ways again.
Because, like it or not, warranted or not, that's the current standard to compare any comic book movie to at this moment in time.
There's nothing to discuss because you've yet to actually talk about anything besides "the world's most respected authority." Not to mention the patronizing attitude.
Yes to make it clear I don't even remember much about Bourne Ultimatum anymore because the shakycam abuse in the film gave me a headache. I can't even remember if Supremacy or Ultimatum was worse in this aspect honestly, because I have zero interest in revisiting any of them because of possible motion sickness. I enjoyed the films though, in spite of that. I just don't want to ever see them again.
Except for Cap who spent his military life taking down Hydra for doing the exact same thing. I'd have been more upset if he would have been all "Yeah, I'm cool with it." since THAT wouldn't have made any sense at all.
Or Thor who spends a good portion of some scenes trying to tell them all that they have no business trying to control a power like the Tesseract and that it belongs in Asgard.
Nor would a pacifist/scientist like Banner blink his eyes at the military developing an aliens weapon program either.
I don't know. That felt pretty well explained in the movie to me.