Had Ronaldinho laid off the booze, drugs and hookers he absolutely would be considered the best of all time. There is no doubt in my mind about that.Lmao ronaldinho better than messi.
this thread is amazing.
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Yes.
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It's almost like they're two insanely consistent and good players that get numbers any other player would kill for. Almost.
The international achievements of Emile HeskeyThe best player in the world isn't decided by how many goals a player scores. It's decided by their overall quality. Just because Ronaldo scores as many goals as Messi doesn't mean he's as good as him.
As I said, take away the goals from Messi and he's still amazing. The most skillful, the best dribbler, the best passer, the most exciting and watchable etc.
Messi has all of the below combined -
The goals of Ronaldo
The skill and dribbles of Maradona
The vision and passing of Zidane
The elegance and creativity of Cruyff
Eusebio and di Stefano? Are you in your 70s?Both Ronaldo and Messi might go into the pantheon of best players to never win it, in that B-tier under the true GOATs which players like Platini, Eusebio, di Stefano or Cruyff inhabit.
Fuck that cunt.
A hat trick to save Argentinas WC qualifying hopes. Really the greatest to ever play.
Meanwhile Ronaldo today tripping over himself and trying too hard to score. Amazing what happens when the entire squad isnt set up for him to score tap-ins vs. heavyweights like Getafe.
lol good one mateHad Ronaldinho laid off the booze, drugs and hookers he absolutely would be considered the best of all time. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
Ronaldinho could single handedly destroy teams. Yes Messi has that amazing games too but Ronaldinho was pretty much every match. He could dribble, pass, score, had speed, strength.
If Ronaldinho isn't in top 3 discussion you're mad or delusional.
Without Messi Argentina managed a massive 9 points from the 8 games Messi wasn't in.GOAT to barely qualify with a squad like Argentina?
Messi could single handedly destroy teams. Yes Ronaldinho has that amazing games too but Messi was pretty much every match. He could dribble, pass, score, had speed, strength.
If Messi isn't in top 3 discussion you're mad or delusional.
Celebrated because he barely qualified for the World Cup? Yeah...that's totally GOAT material /s
Until he manages to win the World Cup and do it the way Diego Armando Maradona did he won't ever be close to the title of greatest of all time.
Easily the greatest player I've seen in my lifetime and I'd imagine of all time. Its not football, its magic.
Or Copas lolGOAT with how many World Cups?
You're not wrong brehGonna go with Federer
Same. Messi's achievements are ridiculous and he regularly makes good players look like pub league players. He is head and shoulders above anyone who has played in the last 30 years.
Would have been interesting to see how Maradona would have got on if he'd played these days and had not been subjected to assaults by the opposition every weekend though. He's the only player I've ever seen who might be able to compete with Messi.
The best player in the world isn't decided by how many goals a player scores. It's decided by their overall quality. Just because Ronaldo scores as many goals as Messi doesn't mean he's as good as him.
As I said, take away the goals from Messi and he's still amazing. The most skillful, the best dribbler, the best passer, the most exciting and watchable etc.
Messi has all of the below combined -
The goals of Ronaldo
The skill and dribbles of Maradona
The vision and passing of Zidane
The elegance and creativity of Cruyff
"We are just lucky to be able to watch Messi and Ronaldo at their best. Enjoy them while they last."
Both Ronaldo and Messi might go into the pantheon of best players to never win it, in that B-tier under the true GOATs which players like Platini, Eusebio, di Stefano or Cruyff inhabit.
Had Ronaldinho laid off the booze, drugs and hookers he absolutely would be considered the best of all time. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
Ronaldinho could single handedly destroy teams. Yes Messi has that amazing games too but Ronaldinho was pretty much every match. He could dribble, pass, score, had speed, strength.
If Ronaldinho isn't in top 3 discussion you're mad or delusional.
Had Ronaldinho laid off the booze, drugs and hookers he absolutely would be considered the best of all time. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
Ronaldinho could single handedly destroy teams. Yes Messi has that amazing games too but Ronaldinho was pretty much every match. He could dribble, pass, score, had speed, strength.
If Ronaldinho isn't in top 3 discussion you're mad or delusional.
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A quick note before the rest of the reply: Ronaldo has more goals in total, so no they don't score the "same". They're similar, in the same way their assist rate is super similar (and total numbers are close) with Messi having the lead, but not the same, no. Fair is fair.
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The issue with your whole argument is that it's, like most of these arguments, purely subjective. You saying he is "the most skillful, the best dribbler, the best passer, the most exciting and watchable etc" doesn't exactly make it true for me or anyone else.
Best dribbler and passer I've seen play live? Ronaldinho, by a whole order of class above anyone else (Messi and Ronaldo included).
Most exciting? For me, again Ronaldinho. Dude destroyed teams for breakfast. Had he the consistency these two have and IMO there'd be no discussion about any of this. Though, again, subjective on my part.
If you ask older people (like my dad, on his 60's) he'll likely say Maradona for all of the above.
That's not even to get into the argument that they're massively different players to even compare to begin with. You don't expect Messi to smash balls from outside the area like Ronaldo does, nor score the insane headers Ronaldo does and conversely you don't expect Ronaldo to pull off the 1-2 walls Messi does or score the lovely curlers Messi does. They're not the same type of players nor do they even play in the same positions for the most part.
I'll repeat Diego Forlan's quote as my stance on all of this:
We're witnessing the most consistent top players in all of Football's history. None and I mean NONE, have managed to consistently pull the numbers they pull nor the performances they achieve year after year after year for more than a decade now.
The last Ballon D'Or that wasn't won by either Ronaldo or Messi was in 2007. That's 10 years ago. And by then they were already shining on their clubs. Insanity. Literal, insanity.
They broke records no one assumed would ever get broken and not only did they break them, they made their own records which will also remain untouched for several years if not decades.
Enjoy them. Pick one if you must, but just drop the bullshit and enjoy them for what they are. Two fantastic players competing each year to be the best.
Remind me what International Cups Eusebio and Cruyff won again please.
The balon d'Or is different from what it was before though. With the old system players like Iniesta , Milito/ Snjeider would have won balon d'or for example.
Eusebio and di Stefano? Are you in your 70s?
Had Ronaldinho laid off the booze, drugs and hookers he absolutely would be considered the best of all time. There is no doubt in my mind about that.
Ronaldinho could single handedly destroy teams. Yes Messi has that amazing games too but Ronaldinho was pretty much every match. He could dribble, pass, score, had speed, strength.
If Ronaldinho isn't in top 3 discussion you're mad or delusional.
No, that's what I meant. These are also great players... who never won a title.Remind me what International Cups Eusebio and Cruyff won again please.
Ronaldinho for Barça: 0.48 goals/game (145 games)
Messi for Barça: 0.90 goals/game (389 games)
pls be serious, Messi is in another league compared to Ronaldinho
It's been known.... He is the Prince that was Promised of the soccer world.